TWG 134 Host voting

[blindreper1179]

Sunfan

C9++

Roundbox

Roundbox's Mystery TWG - Infiltration

15 players
OOTC OFF
Night Chat ON
Cardflip OFF
Instas OFF
NIGHT START
24 Hour Nights, 48 hour days

T-Force

TWG: Anime North 2016
14 players

2 Arsonsists
1 Trichloromethaninst (Roleblocker)

1 1-Shot Fireman / Security
1 Bodyguard
9 Townies / Weekend Otakus

Day start
Out of thread talk off
KitB on
Night talking is on
Insta on.

Card flips are full card flips.
Arsonists must burn a building each night, and players must choose a hotel to go to at night.

48 / 24 h

Parity rules are going to be at my discretion because things can get really weird in this game with kill counts.

There will be 6 buildings available to hide in during the night.

Toronto Congress Centre
International Plaza
Sheraton
Westin
Holiday Inn
Marriott

You know the rules, you each get 3 votes, no taksies backsies.

[choof]

sunfanx3

[roundbox]

blind you need to work on your post formatting

[blindreper1179]

Yeah, I suck, I know this. lmao

[_Zenith_]

Just put the game setups in [spoiler] tags and keep the host names up. Also where is the third game?

T-Force x2 and Sunfan x1

[roundbox]

My game is the 3rd game

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by roundbox

My game is the 3rd game

Ye Blind put em in spoiler tags as it seems like one big game haha. Sorry to you Roundbox I didn't even see your name (plus C9++ is missing it's entirety setup so it's throwing me for a loop).

[blindreper1179]

Yours is the second game round?

[XelNya]

2X T-Force
1X gregglesmcdancsunguy

[reuben_tate]

t-force x3

[Vendetta21]

sunfanx3

As if I would fucking ever vote for anything but C9++, the fucking king of setups for all time.

[Vendetta21]

Also note I've played the arsonist set-up before and IIRC that set-up allows for wolves to perform insane late game gambits with much lower risk than usual. I wouldn't call it balanced.

Granted when I played viccica was our blue player and she kinda shit the bed but still TPS and J-Rodd were able to take control of some nuances of the structure and team the shit out of the humans.

[roundbox]

Looks like my game isn't running this time around

TForce x2
sunfan x1

[Vendetta21]

Also with mystery games, even Manti's best mystery set-up ever (the Tsutter one on FFYA that he recreated here) the game becomes something drastically different than typical TWG. Sure it's about puzzle solving and the emotional intrigue of mystery but the mostly efficient playstyle and skillset for performing better than average will be the ability to meta game the host and the ability to read context clues from a PM on a nimble footing. Mystery games satisfy the dopamine rush that TWG can provide but they do not work the core skillset the game typically encourages (reading other humans) as a top priority, but rather a tertiary or ancillary priority.

[Vendetta21]

C9++ is the holy grail of TWG. It's all about reading behaviors, intentions, and actions. It practically laughs any sort of formulaic strategy out of the room. It leaves every party in the game with a feeling of unease about their enemies for the first two phases. And it lasts long enough for a player to truly do shit that deserves the achievement of being an MVP.

[Red Blaster]

Sunfan x2
Trevor x1

[Vendetta21]

I mean on the flip side formulaic strategy is not a huge problem here atm but having played a shitload of games with Alain Bryden (dude who has literally auto-won games in his first 3 posts by spotting design flaws at least 15 times) it's part of why I'm so attracted to the beauty, simplicity, and elegance of C9++. The structure of it can't be gamed on some meta-level. It's like forcing you to confront the grotesque corpse of a roadkill opossum in your vision's periphery as you walk down the street. "People are fucking manipulating you and you have no fucking clue who, why, how many, and to what ends. Stare at that for 48 hours." And the natural response is always (ALWAYS) discomfort (which typically has a surface manifestation of stupidity) but it is a beautiful discomfort that eventually teaches you to keep thinking despite the frenetic synapses of your lizard brain.

[Red Blaster]

13 sunfan
11 tforce

Currently

[blindreper1179]

2 sun
1 force if i can vote

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Ye Blind put em in spoiler tags as it seems like one big game haha. Sorry to you Roundbox I didn't even see your name (plus C9++ is missing it's entirety setup so it's throwing me for a loop).

C9++: The humans have power roles commensurate to the size of the wolf team, which is initially unknown. The wolfs get power roles, on average, to balance the number the humans have. 50% of the time there will be a third-party serial killer who has his/her own agenda, but even when there is under optimal circumstances you are still unaware at start of D2 (under optimal circumstances!) so you can never rule out SK until D3.

It throws trying to find patterns of association/teams out the window. It doesn't allow to to come up with optimal plays if we have a seer, bodyguard etc because each of the like 300-400 possible set-ups has some insanely low percentage of being applicable. What do you do without crutches?

Anyways give me a second and I will grab you C9++ format but I think I got across the important parts.