TWG CLXXV: Survivor Newfoundland - GAME THREAD

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Second vote:

Two votes theknightsofneeee

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Third vote:

Three votes theknightsofneeee

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Fourth vote:

Three votes theknightsofneeee
One vote star-crossed

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Fifth vote:

Three votes theknightsofneeee
Two votes star-crossed

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Sixth vote:

Four votes theknightsofneeee
Two votes star-crossed

[TWG Jeff Probst]

Seventh vote:

The next person eliminated from Survivor Newfoundland is...

Five votes theknightsofneeee
Two votes star-crossed

[TWG Jeff Probst]

The votes are in.




theknightsofneeee, the tribe has spoken. Please bring me your torch.

They were...

Survivor Saboteur

It's time for you to go.


Night 4 has begun. Night 4 will end on Monday, January 29th at 10:00pm server time.

You may now post again.

[Wayward Vagabond]

look at that neee had an avatar after all

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

look at that neee had an avatar after all

town or wolf, your posts make me laugh
I think that's his avi on MU

[star-crossed]

I am trying to figure out what meaning can be taken from knowing Knights is a wolf. In general, because of the secret nature of the votes, I want to say that interactions and thoughts earlier in the game are generally more telling. This is because wolves have gained increasing control over who actually dies (regardless of who they actually are claiming to sus).

If I had to pick one person who is the LEAST aligned with Knights, it would be DaBackpack, for this conversation in beach:

[05:25] DaBackpack: I opened up my PC discord just to respond to this
[05:25] FreezinIce: Simple question
[05:25] DaBackpack: knights, you are so full of shit I can't even believe it
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: eh
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: probably 1-2
[05:25] FreezinIce: Lol
[05:25] DaBackpack: you have the same amount of knowledge of this game as Freezin does
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: i doubt all 3 would be wolves
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: but 1-2 out of 3
[05:25] thesunfan: I don't think knights is full of shit
[05:25] DaBackpack: at least Freezin is able to acknowledge that
[05:25] thesunfan: what am I missing
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: is way better than rand
[05:26] FreezinIce: Oh things getting spicy
[05:26] Charu: backpack, what's full of shit now?
[05:26] DaBackpack: looking at wagons is the absolute laziest thing somebody could do in this scenario
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: ?
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: i'm not just looking at wagons tho
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: i'm literally
[05:26] Charu: All he's doing is connecting people who made a voiced opinion
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: synthezising all the info
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: that we have
[05:26] Charu: :thinking:
[05:26] DaBackpack: you're looking at set intersection
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: and seeing who made the worst choices that we know so far
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: like
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: ?
[05:27] thesunfan: this is very common for knights, DBP
[05:27] thesunfan: this is something that is done all the time on MU
[05:27] thesunfan: if you think its lazy, then that's another thing altogether
[05:27] Charu: knee/thesunfan/soundwave/ben
[05:27] thesunfan: but this is absolutely par for the course for him
[05:27] Charu: Boom, read 'em and weep fam
[05:27] DaBackpack: I see a guy who hasn't even been here for 24 hours come in, and then somehow accrue enough information to make statements about set intersections
[05:27] theknightsofneeee: ?
[05:27] thesunfan: well, if I understand set intersections
[05:27] thesunfan: is he wrong about what it is?
[05:27] theknightsofneeee: all of it is pretty obvious info, and i just asked for the info on the seer stuff
[05:27] theknightsofneeee: its not like i knew it off hand
[05:27] theknightsofneeee: lol
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: i legit don't understand what your objection to this is dbp
[05:28] DaBackpack: "c) pushed for a seer on Charu"
[05:28] DaBackpack: for example
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: ooookay?
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: charu (if sunfan is indeed a villager) is a villager
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: that means
[05:28] DaBackpack: nobody actually pushed for a seer on charu
[05:28] DaBackpack: no
[05:28] DaBackpack: fucking
[05:28] DaBackpack: body
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: that wolves would be okay and would advocate for a seer on charu
[05:28] DaBackpack: NO BODY
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: cause its not on them
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: ?
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: thats not what multiple people h ave told me
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: if you would like to dispute that
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: then tell me where
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: so i can read it
[05:29] DaBackpack: I'm tired of having this same argument over and over again
[05:29] DaBackpack: about the Charu thing
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: multiple people okaying it
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: is PROBABLY WOLFIER
[05:29] FreezinIce: No
[05:29] DaBackpack: I've been shouting it for the past god knows how long
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: than them directly advocating it
[05:29] FreezinIce: We did this earlier
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: zzz
[05:29] FreezinIce: It was like 1-2 ppl
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: i was told 5 people
[05:30] Charu: If it means anything
[05:30] DaBackpack: who told you
[05:30] FreezinIce: Sorry to dispel the illusion
[05:30] Charu: I don't even feel like I was a good seer candidate
[05:30] DaBackpack: give me a name
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: sunfan
[05:30] FreezinIce: (Not sorry)
[05:30] DaBackpack: sunfan was wrong
[05:30] Charu: But, eh... whatevs
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: and he literally
[05:30] FreezinIce: Lol
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: just quoted it
[05:30] DaBackpack: we went over this
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: like 10 min ago
[05:30] DaBackpack: specifically, he misframed that
[05:30] thesunfan: I quoted a list haku made
[05:30] thesunfan: from earlier
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: zzz
[05:30] thesunfan: its apparently in the thread
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: can someone just link me the intial thing
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: so i can read it jfc
[05:30] DaBackpack: stop trying to make it seem like sunfan was making a consensus seer
[05:31] DaBackpack: he wasn't
[05:31] DaBackpack: he did his own thing
[05:31] theknightsofneeee: lol
[05:31] theknightsofneeee: k
[05:31] wv: Oh I walked into the same argument
[05:31] DaBackpack: i'm fucking triggered
[05:31] Hakulyte: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=580
[05:31] wv: Okay
[05:31] FreezinIce: He went ROGUE
[05:31] Charu: :rage:
[05:31] DaBackpack: how many times is this going to happen
[05:31] FreezinIce: :rofl:
[05:31] wv: I'm tired of talking about this
[05:32] DaBackpack: SUNFAN SEERED CHARU OF HIS OWN VOLITION
[05:32] FreezinIce: At least 2 more times
[05:32] theknightsofneeee: l o l
[05:32] Charu: :rage: :rage:
[05:32] Charu: Don't mind me
[05:32] DaBackpack: where's the fucking "pin post" button
[05:32] DaBackpack: I want to pin that post
[05:32] Charu: Top right
[05:32] Charu: Oh, pin it yourself?
[05:32] Charu: Eerrr...
[05:32] FreezinIce: If your angry for longer than 4 hrs go see a doctor
[05:32] Charu: Can you even do that here?
[05:32] DaBackpack: roundbox, pin that post for me
[05:33] Charu: Pin what now?
[05:33] Charu: *scatch
[05:33] DaBackpack: the one I made in caps
[05:33] wv: Freezing have you offered anyone your deal yet
[05:33] FreezinIce: Nope
[05:33] FreezinIce: I need to read thread
[05:33] FreezinIce: Before I do that
[05:33] thesunfan: interested in the deal, wv?
[05:34] DaBackpack: at the very least we've ascertained that knights hasn't actually been reading and isn't getting secret information from someone
[05:34] thesunfan: ill make the same offer he would
[05:34] FreezinIce: Fwiw ben will probably get it
[05:34] DaBackpack: it's just the same misinformation everyone else is getting somehow
[05:34] FreezinIce: Damn
[05:34] FreezinIce: S e l l o u t
[05:35] wv: Idc about winning just let me survive
[05:35] wv: LET ME LIVEEE
[05:36] FreezinIce: We posting music now?
[05:36] DaBackpack: something about misinformation spreading just drives me insane
[05:36] FreezinIce: Is that what it's come to?
[05:36] FreezinIce: https://youtu.be/1zq_QgXrgA8
YouTube
MasterEnex
[Music] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book ► Spring Wind Skylark ║Extended║


[05:36] wv: I just drank half a bottle of NyQuil in hopes that I'll feel better tomorrow
[05:36] DaBackpack: alright, let me try to be rational again
[05:37] DaBackpack: knights, what about getting ffa lynched isn't advanageous for wolves
[05:37] DaBackpack: what specifically about the tokzic wagon interests you
[05:37] theknightsofneeee: i mean
[05:37] theknightsofneeee: i just read over it
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: and yeah, there were a few discenting opinions on the charu seer
[05:38] wv: I like how sunfan didn't say anything when I said my partner's were him Ben and neee :awoo:
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: and sunfan did it really quick really randomly
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: for no reason
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: but i saw you say a charu seer would be good dbp
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: so idk what you're arguing with me about
[05:38] DaBackpack: honestly I regret saying that
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: oooooooookay?
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: but you said it
[05:38] DaBackpack: technically it was true but it diverted attention away from ben
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: so why the fuck are you arguing with me over saying sunfan didnt' get
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: permission?
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: from multiple people
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: like wat
[05:39] DaBackpack: oh my god
[05:39] Charu: Reading this with this battle music is so good
[05:39] Charu: Mmmm
[05:39] DaBackpack: ohhhmy god
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: like ys
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: yes
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: i would agree with you
[05:39] DaBackpack: !!!!!!!!!!given that he wasn't going to seer ben, Charu was fine!!!!!!!!!!
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: that there probably wasn't a 'concensus'
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: for sunfan to seer charu
[05:40] DaBackpack: !!!!!!!!!!but multiple people wanted him to seer ben!!!!!!!!!!
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: but there were several people who okayed it
[05:40] Charu: Watch this, next reward challenge is going to be something better than a seer
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: so idk what you're even arguing about
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: like
[05:40] DaBackpack: !!!!!!!!!!a tacit agreement is different from following town's instructions!!!!!!!!!!
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: my point is objectively correct
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: okay
[05:40] Hakulyte: permanent vigi :gun:
[05:41] Charu: A reviver
[05:41] Charu: OH
[05:41] Charu: CAN YOU IM-- ooooo...
[05:41] Charu: That would be so funny
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: zzzzz
[05:41] DaBackpack: it's like saying
[05:41] DaBackpack: hey
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: i'm legit tilted you made me pull this up
[05:41] DaBackpack: knights
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: jsut to find out i was right
[05:41] DaBackpack: what do you want for your birthday
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: fucking lol
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: a cake
[05:41] thesunfan: wv - Today at 12:38 AM
I like how sunfan didn't say anything when I said my partner's were him Ben and neee :awoo:

can't fight the truth
[05:41] DaBackpack: do you want white icing or black icing
[05:41] wv: :awoo: :gun:
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: lol
[05:42] Charu: I want gray icing
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: if sunfan and i were wolves together
[05:42] DaBackpack: answer the question
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: this game would already be over
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: lets be real
[05:42] DaBackpack: what icing do you want
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: uh
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: cream cheese
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: the 'special kind'
[05:42] theknightsofneeee:
[05:42] DaBackpack: fuck you answer the question
[05:42] wv: Cream cheese isn't icing
[05:42] wv: Ew
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: cream cheese icing?
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: wtf
[05:42] Charu: Trying to find where backpack is going with this
[05:42] wv: Who puts cream cheese on cake
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: yes it is lol
[05:42] FreezinIce: Yes it is
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: cream cheese is in MOST icing
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: lol
[05:43] FreezinIce: < works in a bakery
[05:43] DaBackpack: cream cheese is the icing you want?
[05:43] wv: Get outta here
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: lol WV
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: yes
[05:43] Hakulyte: are we still playing TWG ? :monkaS:
[05:43] DaBackpack: ok too bad
[05:43] Charu: We're playing bakery
[05:43] DaBackpack: pick between white or chocolate icing
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: uh
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: choc?
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: where are u going with this lol
[05:43] DaBackpack: alright, I'm seering the chocolate icing
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: LOL
[05:43] thesunfan: H O L Y
[05:43] DaBackpack: wouldn't you have liked me to seer the cream cheese icing
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: lolololol
[05:43] Charu: What the heck is this
[05:44] wv: Got eem
[05:44] theknightsofneeee: lololol
[05:44] FreezinIce: :joy: :gun:
[05:44] thesunfan: its now that I regret now seering ben more than ever
[05:44] Charu: I feel like I'm reading a scene from Pheonix Wright
[05:44] thesunfan: not*
[05:44] DaBackpack: but
[05:44] DaBackpack: you said chocolate
[05:44] DaBackpack: even though I said fuck you to cream cheese
[05:44] theknightsofneeee: i'm legit laughing so hard
[05:44] FreezinIce: Here lies
[05:44] theknightsofneeee: right no
[05:44] theknightsofneeee: w
[05:44] FreezinIce: The point
[05:44] FreezinIce: It was beaten to death
[05:44] DaBackpack: so how is it my fault that I picked chocolate???
[05:45] DaBackpack: ^ is your argument
[05:45] theknightsofneeee: no
[05:45] thesunfan: honestly
[05:45] DaBackpack: my argument, is that you should have gotten cream cheese
[05:45] theknightsofneeee: that wasn't really my arguement
[05:45] theknightsofneeee: tbqh
[05:45] theknightsofneeee: but point is taken
[05:45] thesunfan: im too impatient as a person
[05:45] wv: Then you should've seered Ben like you wanted
[05:45] DaBackpack: I hope this parable applies to somebody here
[05:45] DaBackpack: I think that describes my frustration
[05:46] thesunfan: i've ridiculed hake for it before
[05:46] thesunfan: haku*
[05:46] DaBackpack: and then for people to say that I wanted charu seered
[05:46] thesunfan: so its kinda dumb now
[05:46] Charu: https://i.imgur.com/Yd6O8hh.png

[05:46] thesunfan: im just a meme to you, aren't I, Charu
[05:46] Charu: lmao, I laughed pretty hard at that post

My thoughts on WV/Knights as a pair (click the quote to go back to the first post to see all of them)
My thoughts on Soundwave/Knights as a pair

In WV's case, I don't think too much changed. His response to my questioning of his suspicion of Knights for controlling the lynch was to double down on it. I have them as kind of unlikely to be aligned.

Soundwave's situation is more interesting, and will probably a big focus of tomorrow. There is a lot more stuff from Knights and Soundwave about one another, than between Knights and WV, since then. But here is a main one:

[04:21] theknightsofneeee: gonna try and go 4/4
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: sunfan
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: freezin
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: soundwave
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: wv
[04:21] FreezinIce: wrong
[04:21] FreezinIce: sadly
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: maybe
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: haku instead of freezin
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: actually
[04:22] FreezinIce: im p sure sunfan isnt a wolf but ok
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: can we pin that?
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: i want to see how many i get
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: can we pin that?
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: i want to see how many i get
[04:22] FreezinIce: how about
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: i'm betting at least 2/4 probably 3
[04:22] FreezinIce: haku soundwave wv jrodd
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: jrodd looks crappy for tforce villa i guess
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: hm,
[04:22] Jrodd: Yep I don't deny it
[04:23] FreezinIce: thinking about it i think neee looks towny
[04:23] Jrodd: But everyone has voted villas
[04:23] Soundwave: nee picks 4 wolves including me and 3 people I have sus'd to varying degrees... I am mixed
[04:23] theknightsofneeee: and?
[04:23] theknightsofneeee: you're objectively the wolfiest person still alive
[04:23] FreezinIce: "objectively"
[04:23] theknightsofneeee: who somehow didnt get traction over me this eod
[04:23] FreezinIce: oh god
[04:23] theknightsofneeee: for ?? reasons
[04:23] Soundwave: I was going to say
[04:23] Soundwave: I don't think you know what objectively means
[04:24] FreezinIce: not this again
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: i think you have contributed the least to the game of any person still alive
[04:24] FreezinIce: @Charu
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: hence
[04:24] FreezinIce: i hope your here
[04:24] FreezinIce: seeeing this
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: wolfiest
[04:24] Soundwave: I... I don't think that's supportable
[04:24] Soundwave: I'd love to see you try, but you're really just going to throw shit and I don't care
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: whatever
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: we're lynching you tomorrow
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: so /shrug
[04:24] FreezinIce: oh
[04:25] theknightsofneeee: guess we'll have this fight then
[04:25] FreezinIce: you gonna thunderdome him
[04:25] FreezinIce: what about haku
[04:25] theknightsofneeee: i'm more certain on soundwave being a wolf
[04:25] Soundwave: we just had a wagon on j-rodd and you're this certain I'm dying? I don't think you are really in touch rn tbh
[04:25] FreezinIce: im not
[04:25] FreezinIce: i think you need to drink some water
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[04:25] theknightsofneeee: i think haku is too but i'm less sure, mostly cause i've had less interaction with haku then sound
[04:25] FreezinIce: and think about the situation your in
[04:25] Jrodd: The wagon on me was worse than that on tforce
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: wait
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: there was actually a wagon on jrodd/
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: over soundwave?
[04:26] Soundwave: briefly
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: L
[04:26] Jrodd: Lol I know
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: O
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: L
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: you guys are legit blind
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[04:26] theknightsofneeee: if you don't see soundwave is a wolf
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: no one thinks he's a villager
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: yet somehow he just doesn't get wagoned/pushed ever
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: cept by me
[04:26] Jrodd: Yea....
[04:27] FreezinIce: ill agree thats p suspect
[04:27] FreezinIce: blindreper treatment again
[04:27] FreezinIce: but i said the same thing about you
[04:27] FreezinIce: and a wagon appeared
[04:27] FreezinIce: like MAGIC
[...]
[04:30] theknightsofneeee: lets lynch soundwave tomorrow and go from there
[04:30] theknightsofneeee: that sounds :thumbsup:
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[23:19] FreezinIce: if you present a strong case i would back you
[23:19] Soundwave: I've said, for the third time now
[23:19] Soundwave: that my pick is nee
[23:19] Soundwave: and I've also said why
[23:19] Soundwave: it's not a strong case
[23:19] Soundwave: But neither is an inactivity case
[23:19] Soundwave: yet here we are


[01:30] Soundwave: If I vote for knights... and the rest of town votes for me... that is a wolf win if knights is town...
[01:30] Hakulyte: so, technically speaking, that's true.
[01:31] Soundwave: I have to self-vote or kingmaker lolol what is this
[01:31] Hakulyte: da fuc is kingmaker
[01:31] Jrodd: what are u even talking about
[01:31] star_crossed: If I wasn't really going to be around I would not be like "oh this guy I wolf read is someone you should trust about me"
[01:31] Soundwave: I can't self-pres if nee is town because that's a wolf win anyways
[01:31] star_crossed: Even if they do know each other the most
[01:31] Soundwave: I have to vote with town even if it's on myself
[01:32] Soundwave: but that doesn't make sense
[01:32] Soundwave: because that's a certain win
[...]
[01:35] Soundwave: I mean I guess that makes the game easy on me
[01:35] Soundwave: but that's kinda boring /shrug
[01:38] Soundwave: because towns don't get complacent with the game in a state like this, I mean it's clear that I need to vote nee but like it's kinda shitty to be 3 hours out and be like "aww I guess I'm dead I should stop playing"

[01:42] star_crossed: I actually can't find any explanation of who Soundwave was voting and when
[01:42] star_crossed: I found this?

[02:53] Soundwave: Probably not. I also dont see these shenanigans changing the wagons. But like I have to vote with town because otherwise wolves just stack on whatever sounds good
[01:42] Jrodd: when was that
[01:42] Jrodd: last phase?
[01:42] star_crossed: Maybe I need to go back further
[01:43] star_crossed: Yeah last phase
[01:44] star_crossed: Sound you only voted for Tforce right?
[01:45] Soundwave: I didn't switch no.
[01:45] Soundwave: was on t-force the whole time
[01:45] Jrodd: so u were.....
[01:45] Jrodd: complacent
[01:46] Soundwave: how is deciding not to switch my vote complacent?
[01:46] Jrodd: complacent with the vote
[01:46] Jrodd: which i guess the wolves wanted
[01:46] Soundwave: nee came up and I was like "You know I think T-Force is more wolfy" and I kept my vote
[01:46] Soundwave: and town didn't go with nee
[01:46] Soundwave: so...
[01:46] Soundwave: I didn't move
[01:47] star_crossed: At what point were you planning on switching if people did not agree
[01:48] Jrodd: i just dont understand sounwave
[01:48] Jrodd: youre weird

[01:50] Soundwave: I don't know. I'm pretty sure I didn't even make my vote until consensus was established but I honestly dont' recall when nee came up relative to end of day

I'm not sure what to make of his poor memory of the end of the day TForce died. (I wasn't awake at the time of these switches, so I do not know what it was like to actually be there, but this was what I was told of the vote counts from Celirra)

[13:02] Celirra: votes tallied: first was about 1hr before eod, second was about 40mins before iirc
[13:02] Celirra: given votes by:
tforce - sound
star - neee
haku - neee
dbp - jrodd
jrodd - tforce
freezin - wv
wv - jrodd
sunfan - tforce
soundwave - tforce
cel - neee

wave 2:
jrodd - tforce
tforce - neee
sound - tforce
sunfan - tforce
wv - neee
star - neee
haku - neee
dbp - neee
cel - neee
[13:03] Celirra: then sunfan messaged people telling them to go tforce
[13:03] Celirra: notably dbp
[13:03] Celirra: end results I believe, if nobody is lying, is me, you, haku, tforce on neeee, rest on tforce

(Haku and WV actually ended up being on TForce, but still.)

From my understanding, there wasn't that much consensus in the direction of TForce until very, very close to the deadline from what has been reported to me. In fact, Knee reached a clear majority first. Plus, Soundwave's anxiety about things being "boring" voting for Knights from the last phase, relative to past anxiety he has expressed about towns splitting up wagons, makes me concerned that he is a saboteur that did not want town to reach a consensus, specifically yesterday.

On the other hand, if he was a wolf he may remember what happened better, because it would be a more exciting end of day for them (trying to save Knights from dying). I am not really sure.

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Somewhat unrelatedly:

If Soundwave and Knights are w/w, then I think wolves hoped to possibly win yesterday by getting towns to accidentally fail to coordinate on one of them, and try to win by getting me killed in KITB.

If Soundwave and Knights are v/w, then they would have more motivation to actually leave their votes for Soundwave, since if there is poor coordination they just win outright and do not have to rely on a 50% chance. However, in the case that it goes to KITB or something and Knights get hanged, it is a worse situation for them because it could make Soundwave a lot harder to be lynched. So I can still see it being a less risky for them to vote on me in this case, since coordination from town was pretty OK yesterday, and it may help them to still get Soundwave lynched on another day.

So...it is kind of a mind game, with regards to that. And probably with most of Knights's messages at the end there, where he was having fun messing with people by claiming he had the idol and such. I do not really take any meaning from anything he said in the last hour, including private logs.

[star-crossed]

Uhh...Well now I am annoyed, because none of my spoiler tags worked.

[05:25] DaBackpack: I opened up my PC discord just to respond to this
[05:25] FreezinIce: Simple question
[05:25] DaBackpack: knights, you are so full of shit I can't even believe it
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: eh
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: probably 1-2
[05:25] FreezinIce: Lol
[05:25] DaBackpack: you have the same amount of knowledge of this game as Freezin does
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: i doubt all 3 would be wolves
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: but 1-2 out of 3
[05:25] thesunfan: I don't think knights is full of shit
[05:25] DaBackpack: at least Freezin is able to acknowledge that
[05:25] thesunfan: what am I missing
[05:25] theknightsofneeee: is way better than rand
[05:26] FreezinIce: Oh things getting spicy
[05:26] Charu: backpack, what's full of shit now?
[05:26] DaBackpack: looking at wagons is the absolute laziest thing somebody could do in this scenario
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: ?
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: i'm not just looking at wagons tho
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: i'm literally
[05:26] Charu: All he's doing is connecting people who made a voiced opinion
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: synthezising all the info
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: that we have
[05:26] Charu: :thinking:
[05:26] DaBackpack: you're looking at set intersection
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: and seeing who made the worst choices that we know so far
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: like
[05:26] theknightsofneeee: ?
[05:27] thesunfan: this is very common for knights, DBP
[05:27] thesunfan: this is something that is done all the time on MU
[05:27] thesunfan: if you think its lazy, then that's another thing altogether
[05:27] Charu: knee/thesunfan/soundwave/ben
[05:27] thesunfan: but this is absolutely par for the course for him
[05:27] Charu: Boom, read 'em and weep fam
[05:27] DaBackpack: I see a guy who hasn't even been here for 24 hours come in, and then somehow accrue enough information to make statements about set intersections
[05:27] theknightsofneeee: ?
[05:27] thesunfan: well, if I understand set intersections
[05:27] thesunfan: is he wrong about what it is?
[05:27] theknightsofneeee: all of it is pretty obvious info, and i just asked for the info on the seer stuff
[05:27] theknightsofneeee: its not like i knew it off hand
[05:27] theknightsofneeee: lol
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: i legit don't understand what your objection to this is dbp
[05:28] DaBackpack: "c) pushed for a seer on Charu"
[05:28] DaBackpack: for example
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: ooookay?
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: charu (if sunfan is indeed a villager) is a villager
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: that means
[05:28] DaBackpack: nobody actually pushed for a seer on charu
[05:28] DaBackpack: no
[05:28] DaBackpack: fucking
[05:28] DaBackpack: body
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: that wolves would be okay and would advocate for a seer on charu
[05:28] DaBackpack: NO BODY
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: cause its not on them
[05:28] theknightsofneeee: ?
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: thats not what multiple people h ave told me
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: if you would like to dispute that
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: then tell me where
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: so i can read it
[05:29] DaBackpack: I'm tired of having this same argument over and over again
[05:29] DaBackpack: about the Charu thing
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: multiple people okaying it
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: is PROBABLY WOLFIER
[05:29] FreezinIce: No
[05:29] DaBackpack: I've been shouting it for the past god knows how long
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: than them directly advocating it
[05:29] FreezinIce: We did this earlier
[05:29] theknightsofneeee: zzz
[05:29] FreezinIce: It was like 1-2 ppl
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: i was told 5 people
[05:30] Charu: If it means anything
[05:30] DaBackpack: who told you
[05:30] FreezinIce: Sorry to dispel the illusion
[05:30] Charu: I don't even feel like I was a good seer candidate
[05:30] DaBackpack: give me a name
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: sunfan
[05:30] FreezinIce: (Not sorry)
[05:30] DaBackpack: sunfan was wrong
[05:30] Charu: But, eh... whatevs
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: and he literally
[05:30] FreezinIce: Lol
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: just quoted it
[05:30] DaBackpack: we went over this
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: like 10 min ago
[05:30] DaBackpack: specifically, he misframed that
[05:30] thesunfan: I quoted a list haku made
[05:30] thesunfan: from earlier
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: zzz
[05:30] thesunfan: its apparently in the thread
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: can someone just link me the intial thing
[05:30] theknightsofneeee: so i can read it jfc
[05:30] DaBackpack: stop trying to make it seem like sunfan was making a consensus seer
[05:31] DaBackpack: he wasn't
[05:31] DaBackpack: he did his own thing
[05:31] theknightsofneeee: lol
[05:31] theknightsofneeee: k
[05:31] wv: Oh I walked into the same argument
[05:31] DaBackpack: i'm fucking triggered
[05:31] Hakulyte: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=580
[05:31] wv: Okay
[05:31] FreezinIce: He went ROGUE
[05:31] Charu: :rage:
[05:31] DaBackpack: how many times is this going to happen
[05:31] FreezinIce: :rofl:
[05:31] wv: I'm tired of talking about this
[05:32] DaBackpack: SUNFAN SEERED CHARU OF HIS OWN VOLITION
[05:32] FreezinIce: At least 2 more times
[05:32] theknightsofneeee: l o l
[05:32] Charu: :rage: :rage:
[05:32] Charu: Don't mind me
[05:32] DaBackpack: where's the fucking "pin post" button
[05:32] DaBackpack: I want to pin that post
[05:32] Charu: Top right
[05:32] Charu: Oh, pin it yourself?
[05:32] Charu: Eerrr...
[05:32] FreezinIce: If your angry for longer than 4 hrs go see a doctor
[05:32] Charu: Can you even do that here?
[05:32] DaBackpack: roundbox, pin that post for me
[05:33] Charu: Pin what now?
[05:33] Charu: *scatch
[05:33] DaBackpack: the one I made in caps
[05:33] wv: Freezing have you offered anyone your deal yet
[05:33] FreezinIce: Nope
[05:33] FreezinIce: I need to read thread
[05:33] FreezinIce: Before I do that
[05:33] thesunfan: interested in the deal, wv?
[05:34] DaBackpack: at the very least we've ascertained that knights hasn't actually been reading and isn't getting secret information from someone
[05:34] thesunfan: ill make the same offer he would
[05:34] FreezinIce: Fwiw ben will probably get it
[05:34] DaBackpack: it's just the same misinformation everyone else is getting somehow
[05:34] FreezinIce: Damn
[05:34] FreezinIce: S e l l o u t
[05:35] wv: Idc about winning just let me survive
[05:35] wv: LET ME LIVEEE
[05:36] FreezinIce: We posting music now?
[05:36] DaBackpack: something about misinformation spreading just drives me insane
[05:36] FreezinIce: Is that what it's come to?
[05:36] FreezinIce: https://youtu.be/1zq_QgXrgA8
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[Music] Atelier Sophie: The Alchemist of the Mysterious Book ► Spring Wind Skylark ║Extended║


[05:36] wv: I just drank half a bottle of NyQuil in hopes that I'll feel better tomorrow
[05:36] DaBackpack: alright, let me try to be rational again
[05:37] DaBackpack: knights, what about getting ffa lynched isn't advanageous for wolves
[05:37] DaBackpack: what specifically about the tokzic wagon interests you
[05:37] theknightsofneeee: i mean
[05:37] theknightsofneeee: i just read over it
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: and yeah, there were a few discenting opinions on the charu seer
[05:38] wv: I like how sunfan didn't say anything when I said my partner's were him Ben and neee :awoo:
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: and sunfan did it really quick really randomly
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: for no reason
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: but i saw you say a charu seer would be good dbp
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: so idk what you're arguing with me about
[05:38] DaBackpack: honestly I regret saying that
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: oooooooookay?
[05:38] theknightsofneeee: but you said it
[05:38] DaBackpack: technically it was true but it diverted attention away from ben
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: so why the fuck are you arguing with me over saying sunfan didnt' get
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: permission?
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: from multiple people
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: like wat
[05:39] DaBackpack: oh my god
[05:39] Charu: Reading this with this battle music is so good
[05:39] Charu: Mmmm
[05:39] DaBackpack: ohhhmy god
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: like ys
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: yes
[05:39] theknightsofneeee: i would agree with you
[05:39] DaBackpack: !!!!!!!!!!given that he wasn't going to seer ben, Charu was fine!!!!!!!!!!
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: that there probably wasn't a 'concensus'
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: for sunfan to seer charu
[05:40] DaBackpack: !!!!!!!!!!but multiple people wanted him to seer ben!!!!!!!!!!
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: but there were several people who okayed it
[05:40] Charu: Watch this, next reward challenge is going to be something better than a seer
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: so idk what you're even arguing about
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: like
[05:40] DaBackpack: !!!!!!!!!!a tacit agreement is different from following town's instructions!!!!!!!!!!
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: my point is objectively correct
[05:40] theknightsofneeee: okay
[05:40] Hakulyte: permanent vigi :gun:
[05:41] Charu: A reviver
[05:41] Charu: OH
[05:41] Charu: CAN YOU IM-- ooooo...
[05:41] Charu: That would be so funny
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: zzzzz
[05:41] DaBackpack: it's like saying
[05:41] DaBackpack: hey
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: i'm legit tilted you made me pull this up
[05:41] DaBackpack: knights
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: jsut to find out i was right
[05:41] DaBackpack: what do you want for your birthday
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: fucking lol
[05:41] theknightsofneeee: a cake
[05:41] thesunfan: wv - Today at 12:38 AM
I like how sunfan didn't say anything when I said my partner's were him Ben and neee :awoo:

can't fight the truth
[05:41] DaBackpack: do you want white icing or black icing
[05:41] wv: :awoo: :gun:
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: lol
[05:42] Charu: I want gray icing
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: if sunfan and i were wolves together
[05:42] DaBackpack: answer the question
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: this game would already be over
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: lets be real
[05:42] DaBackpack: what icing do you want
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: uh
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: cream cheese
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: the 'special kind'
[05:42] theknightsofneeee:
[05:42] DaBackpack: fuck you answer the question
[05:42] wv: Cream cheese isn't icing
[05:42] wv: Ew
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: cream cheese icing?
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: wtf
[05:42] Charu: Trying to find where backpack is going with this
[05:42] wv: Who puts cream cheese on cake
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: yes it is lol
[05:42] FreezinIce: Yes it is
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: cream cheese is in MOST icing
[05:42] theknightsofneeee: lol
[05:43] FreezinIce: < works in a bakery
[05:43] DaBackpack: cream cheese is the icing you want?
[05:43] wv: Get outta here
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: lol WV
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: yes
[05:43] Hakulyte: are we still playing TWG ? :monkaS:
[05:43] DaBackpack: ok too bad
[05:43] Charu: We're playing bakery
[05:43] DaBackpack: pick between white or chocolate icing
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: uh
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: choc?
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: where are u going with this lol
[05:43] DaBackpack: alright, I'm seering the chocolate icing
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: LOL
[05:43] thesunfan: H O L Y
[05:43] DaBackpack: wouldn't you have liked me to seer the cream cheese icing
[05:43] theknightsofneeee: lolololol
[05:43] Charu: What the heck is this
[05:44] wv: Got eem
[05:44] theknightsofneeee: lololol
[05:44] FreezinIce: :joy: :gun:
[05:44] thesunfan: its now that I regret now seering ben more than ever
[05:44] Charu: I feel like I'm reading a scene from Pheonix Wright
[05:44] thesunfan: not*
[05:44] DaBackpack: but
[05:44] DaBackpack: you said chocolate
[05:44] DaBackpack: even though I said fuck you to cream cheese
[05:44] theknightsofneeee: i'm legit laughing so hard
[05:44] FreezinIce: Here lies
[05:44] theknightsofneeee: right no
[05:44] theknightsofneeee: w
[05:44] FreezinIce: The point
[05:44] FreezinIce: It was beaten to death
[05:44] DaBackpack: so how is it my fault that I picked chocolate???
[05:45] DaBackpack: ^ is your argument
[05:45] theknightsofneeee: no
[05:45] thesunfan: honestly
[05:45] DaBackpack: my argument, is that you should have gotten cream cheese
[05:45] theknightsofneeee: that wasn't really my arguement
[05:45] theknightsofneeee: tbqh
[05:45] theknightsofneeee: but point is taken
[05:45] thesunfan: im too impatient as a person
[05:45] wv: Then you should've seered Ben like you wanted
[05:45] DaBackpack: I hope this parable applies to somebody here
[05:45] DaBackpack: I think that describes my frustration
[05:46] thesunfan: i've ridiculed hake for it before
[05:46] thesunfan: haku*
[05:46] DaBackpack: and then for people to say that I wanted charu seered
[05:46] thesunfan: so its kinda dumb now
[05:46] Charu: https://i.imgur.com/Yd6O8hh.png

[05:46] thesunfan: im just a meme to you, aren't I, Charu
[05:46] Charu: lmao, I laughed pretty hard at that post

[04:21] theknightsofneeee: gonna try and go 4/4
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: sunfan
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: freezin
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: soundwave
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: wv
[04:21] FreezinIce: wrong
[04:21] FreezinIce: sadly
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: maybe
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: haku instead of freezin
[04:21] theknightsofneeee: actually
[04:22] FreezinIce: im p sure sunfan isnt a wolf but ok
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: can we pin that?
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: i want to see how many i get
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: can we pin that?
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: i want to see how many i get
[04:22] FreezinIce: how about
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: i'm betting at least 2/4 probably 3
[04:22] FreezinIce: haku soundwave wv jrodd
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: jrodd looks crappy for tforce villa i guess
[04:22] theknightsofneeee: hm,
[04:22] Jrodd: Yep I don't deny it
[04:23] FreezinIce: thinking about it i think neee looks towny
[04:23] Jrodd: But everyone has voted villas
[04:23] Soundwave: nee picks 4 wolves including me and 3 people I have sus'd to varying degrees... I am mixed
[04:23] theknightsofneeee: and?
[04:23] theknightsofneeee: you're objectively the wolfiest person still alive
[04:23] FreezinIce: "objectively"
[04:23] theknightsofneeee: who somehow didnt get traction over me this eod
[04:23] FreezinIce: oh god
[04:23] theknightsofneeee: for ?? reasons
[04:23] Soundwave: I was going to say
[04:23] Soundwave: I don't think you know what objectively means
[04:24] FreezinIce: not this again
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: i think you have contributed the least to the game of any person still alive
[04:24] FreezinIce: @Charu
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: hence
[04:24] FreezinIce: i hope your here
[04:24] FreezinIce: seeeing this
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: wolfiest
[04:24] Soundwave: I... I don't think that's supportable
[04:24] Soundwave: I'd love to see you try, but you're really just going to throw shit and I don't care
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: whatever
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: we're lynching you tomorrow
[04:24] theknightsofneeee: so /shrug
[04:24] FreezinIce: oh
[04:25] theknightsofneeee: guess we'll have this fight then
[04:25] FreezinIce: you gonna thunderdome him
[04:25] FreezinIce: what about haku
[04:25] theknightsofneeee: i'm more certain on soundwave being a wolf
[04:25] Soundwave: we just had a wagon on j-rodd and you're this certain I'm dying? I don't think you are really in touch rn tbh
[04:25] FreezinIce: im not
[04:25] FreezinIce: i think you need to drink some water
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[04:25] theknightsofneeee: i think haku is too but i'm less sure, mostly cause i've had less interaction with haku then sound
[04:25] FreezinIce: and think about the situation your in
[04:25] Jrodd: The wagon on me was worse than that on tforce
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: wait
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: there was actually a wagon on jrodd/
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: over soundwave?
[04:26] Soundwave: briefly
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: L
[04:26] Jrodd: Lol I know
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: O
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: L
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: you guys are legit blind
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[04:26] theknightsofneeee: if you don't see soundwave is a wolf
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: no one thinks he's a villager
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: yet somehow he just doesn't get wagoned/pushed ever
[04:26] theknightsofneeee: cept by me
[04:26] Jrodd: Yea....
[04:27] FreezinIce: ill agree thats p suspect
[04:27] FreezinIce: blindreper treatment again
[04:27] FreezinIce: but i said the same thing about you
[04:27] FreezinIce: and a wagon appeared
[04:27] FreezinIce: like MAGIC
[...]
[04:30] theknightsofneeee: lets lynch soundwave tomorrow and go from there
[04:30] theknightsofneeee: that sounds :thumbsup:
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[star-crossed]

Actually, I was wrong about there being little development with WV and Knights.

[04:57] wv: other than haku all my wolf picks are on tforce
[04:57] wv: confirmation
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: such as?
[04:58] wv: jrodd, neee, freezin
[04:58] wv: sorry neee
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: i thought you thought i was a villager
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: like
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: yesterday
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: ?
[04:58] wv: i never said that
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: hmm
[04:59] wv: its a flip between you and soundwave
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: just so you realize
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: there are 4 wolves
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: you know that right?
[04:59] wv: yes
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: k
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: just making sure xd
[04:59] wv: i said beside haku
[04:59] wv: so i thought the haku would be implied
[05:00] wv: like that talk we had
[05:00] wv: really makes it hard to have you as a wolf
[05:00] theknightsofneeee: ye that was what i thought
[05:00] theknightsofneeee: i didn't think you were reading me as a wolf after that
[05:00] theknightsofneeee: makes me really want to just say you're a wolf tbh
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: but then i realized
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: that
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: it was v/v wagons
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: and idk that you had to actually vote me as a wolf there (or at least say you wanted to vote me)
[05:01] wv: i flipped between you and tforce a lot
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: so i'm kinda left unsure what to think of it
[05:02] theknightsofneeee: talk to me about freezin
[05:02] wv: the only thing that made me want to switch is tforce reminding me of ben before he got lynched
[05:02] theknightsofneeee: i don't know that i wolf read jrodd, but i can see a world where he's a wolf now
[05:02] theknightsofneeee: specially since tforce was villa
[05:02] thesunfan: dog
[05:03] thesunfan: he's never a wolf
[05:03] thesunfan: stop it
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: soundwave i think is a wolf
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: ye
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: idk
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: AHH
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: like'
[05:03] wv: i cant see you and sound as partners because you said you dont bus and i believe you
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: i have like
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: a gut villa read on jrodd
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: but
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: he hasn't really been villagery outside of interactions
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: idk
[05:03] wv: so right now its either you bus and its not freezin but soundwave or its freezin and you or sound
[05:04] theknightsofneeee: idk
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: i need to synthesize my thoughts
[05:05] Jrodd: Knights dude
[05:05] Jrodd: Who has been villagery outside of interactions lol
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: as in
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: like
[05:05] Jrodd: Whatever you were implying
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: you could have been villagery if you backed off tokzic
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: when i told you he was my top villager
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: but you didnt
[05:05] Jrodd: Villas are being all the wagons always
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: and kept pushing him
[05:05] Jrodd: Did u read my reason why I did that
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: thats more what i'm refering to
[05:06] theknightsofneeee: idk
[05:06] theknightsofneeee: i dont remember if i did
[05:06] theknightsofneeee: was it the whole dumbtell thing?

I don't know whether this was a private or public conversation, but I need WV to provide the prior context for this conversation. (This one happened shortly after TForce died).

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Actually, I was wrong about there being little development with WV and Knights.

[04:57] wv: other than haku all my wolf picks are on tforce
[04:57] wv: confirmation
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: such as?
[04:58] wv: jrodd, neee, freezin
[04:58] wv: sorry neee
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: i thought you thought i was a villager
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: like
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: yesterday
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: ?
[04:58] wv: i never said that
[04:58] theknightsofneeee: hmm
[04:59] wv: its a flip between you and soundwave
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: just so you realize
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: there are 4 wolves
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: you know that right?
[04:59] wv: yes
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: k
[04:59] theknightsofneeee: just making sure xd
[04:59] wv: i said beside haku
[04:59] wv: so i thought the haku would be implied
[05:00] wv: like that talk we had
[05:00] wv: really makes it hard to have you as a wolf
[05:00] theknightsofneeee: ye that was what i thought
[05:00] theknightsofneeee: i didn't think you were reading me as a wolf after that
[05:00] theknightsofneeee: makes me really want to just say you're a wolf tbh
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: but then i realized
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: that
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: it was v/v wagons
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: and idk that you had to actually vote me as a wolf there (or at least say you wanted to vote me)
[05:01] wv: i flipped between you and tforce a lot
[05:01] theknightsofneeee: so i'm kinda left unsure what to think of it
[05:02] theknightsofneeee: talk to me about freezin
[05:02] wv: the only thing that made me want to switch is tforce reminding me of ben before he got lynched
[05:02] theknightsofneeee: i don't know that i wolf read jrodd, but i can see a world where he's a wolf now
[05:02] theknightsofneeee: specially since tforce was villa
[05:02] thesunfan: dog
[05:03] thesunfan: he's never a wolf
[05:03] thesunfan: stop it
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: soundwave i think is a wolf
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: ye
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: idk
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: AHH
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: like'
[05:03] wv: i cant see you and sound as partners because you said you dont bus and i believe you
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: i have like
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: a gut villa read on jrodd
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: but
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: he hasn't really been villagery outside of interactions
[05:03] theknightsofneeee: idk
[05:03] wv: so right now its either you bus and its not freezin but soundwave or its freezin and you or sound
[05:04] theknightsofneeee: idk
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: i need to synthesize my thoughts
[05:05] Jrodd: Knights dude
[05:05] Jrodd: Who has been villagery outside of interactions lol
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: as in
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: like
[05:05] Jrodd: Whatever you were implying
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: you could have been villagery if you backed off tokzic
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: when i told you he was my top villager
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: but you didnt
[05:05] Jrodd: Villas are being all the wagons always
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: and kept pushing him
[05:05] Jrodd: Did u read my reason why I did that
[05:05] theknightsofneeee: thats more what i'm refering to
[05:06] theknightsofneeee: idk
[05:06] theknightsofneeee: i dont remember if i did
[05:06] theknightsofneeee: was it the whole dumbtell thing?

I don't know whether this was a private or public conversation, but I need WV to provide the prior context for this conversation. (This one happened shortly after TForce died).

If you search "where i'm at with the game is obviously a pretty vague question" from neee that is a bit before our conversation starts. I'd copy and paste the log but I'm on my phone and that's near impossible. I'll post the log when I get home but you can read our conversation now by searching.

[Wayward Vagabond]

here you go

theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 11:52 AM
yes and know
*no
i have played here before, but not only that
the OOT aspect
is more throwing me than anything else
first game i've played like this
Soundwave - Last Wednesday at 11:53 AM
> wolves trying to strong arm lynches

I mean, wouldn't this imply that you could look to whoever is pushing lynches and lynch them?
I don't really see that though
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 11:53 AM
i'm used to having more thread interaction
@Soundwave i meant more in the background
than like
actually yelling and getting someone lynched
someone like celirra/haku who are talking to pretty much everyone, but have barely talked to me, would be people who would fit that criteria
so back to wv
i'm not sure why
Soundwave - Last Wednesday at 11:54 AM
mmm I guess. I still think the orchestration would be corellatable but if there's anything I've proved it's that I'm not aware of what kind of communication is happening behind the scenes
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 11:54 AM
but having most of the game here on discord feels more like i'm just talking and chatting than playing ww
cause i'm used to being more agressive and pushing people harder
wv - Last Wednesday at 11:55 AM
For sure
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 11:55 AM
(i guess some of that comes with having less meta with you guys also)
so again
playing a more passive role than i normally do
and letting the wolves come to me
by pushing me for bad reasons
seems like a better option than just seeking them out
specially cause i've been markedly bad at doing that thus far
with ffa/ben
ex fucking dee
wv - Last Wednesday at 11:56 AM
I guess it makes sense then that those who have played with you previously kind of feel something is off about you
Since they are more use to a more aggressive you
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 11:56 AM
they have?
afaik sunfan is the only one who thinks i'm a wolf
wv - Last Wednesday at 11:56 AM
People have been saying you're sketch
Unless I'm misremembering
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 11:56 AM
i was just talking with jrodd and i didnt get a vibe from him that he thinks i'm a wolf
could be misreading that but he seemed open to working with me
and outside of those 2
idk if anyone alive has enough meta with me to know what i play like xd
cept maybe freez
cause he spectated 1 game and played with me another
as both alignments
wv - Last Wednesday at 11:58 AM
I could've sworn more people played with you
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 11:58 AM
ye but like
1 game
wv - Last Wednesday at 11:58 AM
Oh okay
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 11:58 AM
which isn't really enough to be familiar with me or how i play imo
specially cause this is an entirely different format too lol
i think specifically how i played eod 0
was the most like yeah this is knights village play
that i've done thus far
cause as a wolf i would be much more vocal in pushing a specific person or specific lynch
wv - Last Wednesday at 11:59 AM
I'll keep that in mind
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 11:59 AM
instead of trying to find one as a group that would drive the game forward
i'm very agenda driven as a wolf
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 12:00 PM
and I am a very very hard power wolfer
wv - Last Wednesday at 12:00 PM
Hard power wolfer as in you push for lunches and get what you want or?
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 12:00 PM
yeah push for lynches on villagers
almost never push wolves
like ever
thesunfan - Last Wednesday at 12:00 PM
fell at the top again
:frowning:
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 12:01 PM
i can count on 1 hand the amount of times i have bussed a wolf
wv - Last Wednesday at 12:02 PM
Driving to Subway be back in a bit
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 12:02 PM
k
star_crossed - Last Wednesday at 12:17 PM
[19:10] theknightsofneeee: i got 7.1 meters
[19:10] theknightsofneeee: i'm the best


That is still better than my personal best actually ._.
Soundwave - Last Wednesday at 12:25 PM
heh
@thesunfan did you not complete? or just going for better time
wv - Last Wednesday at 12:33 PM
Back
Eating helped a bit
Still feel like shit though
@theknightsofneeee are you going to be posting a reads list or nah
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 12:38 PM
eventually yeah
leaving for work in 30 min (this should be a meme at this point)
but when i get home i'm gonna have a few hours to play and actually synthesize a reads list
atm the broad strokes would be something like
wv - Last Wednesday at 12:39 PM
For sure
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 12:41 PM
wolves = soundwave/sunfan/wv/(feel a bit better about you atm wv but not enough to pull you out yet)
villagers = dbp/jrodd/freezin/star
rest pretty null
specifically haku might go into my wolves after my current conversation with him cause his explainations for how he's playing/his read on me feel really weak
and his villa read on sunfan feels pretty unsubstantiated
freezin probably the weakest of my villa reads btw, kinda just gut/tone
which is pretty meh on d2 but /shrug
and with that
i'm taking a shower and going to work
cya
if anyone has questions/comments/concerns feel free to dm me or to @ me in here and i'll try to respond to them asap
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 12:46 PM
really
what's so wrong about it ?
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 12:48 PM
i think that building a dichotomy between 2 villagers using a peek like that is something a wolf could theoretically use to drive a lynch while not really being at much risk yourself because people don't like to lynch into the person who claims the peek for whatever reason
so i think claiming a peek there as a wolf is relatively low risk
and its a move that i think sunfan could do and do well
Hakulyte - Last Wednesday at 12:49 PM
I'm pretty much telling you that it's safer to snipe 1 of the 3 other wolves if sunfan is a wolf here
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 12:49 PM
ok and thats fine
but i think you clearing him is unwarranted
star_crossed - Last Wednesday at 12:49 PM
@theknightsofneeee If you have time explain what you're liking more on jrodd
theknightsofneeee - Last Wednesday at 12:49 PM
cause he's done nothing clear worthy
our interactions together have been really good
we were just talking and he seems really pure
and same with our conversation yesterday (?)
on discord
mostly just tone/interactions, cause based on his pushes/actions he's been pretty meh
but it feels good
i also specifically liked that he wants to lynch t-force mostly cause it will clear him if tforce flips wolf
cause it seems like what i'd expect him to do/think as a villager from my experiance with him
k bye
need a shower
wv - Last Wednesday at 12:53 PM
That's cool I dug my own hole
Whoa didn't see more messages
That's in response to nee saying I'm wolf

[star-crossed]

LTG tribe pairings, roughly from least plausible to most:

(Basically, if Sound/WV has at least one town, who is probably mafia?)

Freezin/Haku
Exhibit A: https://pastebin.com/pDdBJ8Lh really, really does not sound like two wolves talking to each other
Exhibit B:

[02:17] FreezinIce: haku has been pretty bad in my eyes ever since i reset
[02:17] FreezinIce: he hasnt done anything except meme and his reads are stale af
[02:17] Jrodd: Do people not read what I podt
[02:17] Jrodd: Post
[02:17] Jrodd: Just wondering
[02:17] Hakulyte: I probably do all the stuff you want me to do in 1 on 1
[02:17] Hakulyte: that's the sad part freezin
[02:17] FreezinIce: guess you gonna die then
[02:18] Soundwave: Good luck pushin haku tbh
[02:18] FreezinIce: since your saying what i should have done to read you when the onus is on you to look towny
[02:18] Hakulyte: I'm cool with voting you
[02:18] FreezinIce: PS
[02:18] wv: Star is lost and I feel bad because I'm part of the problem
[02:18] FreezinIce: we had 1v1 discussion
[02:19] FreezinIce: it was not enlightening
[02:19] FreezinIce: no 1v1 ive had this game
[02:19] Hakulyte: it's because I don't trust your slot
[02:19] FreezinIce: has helped me with reading anyone
[02:19] FreezinIce: hence why i barely bother doing it
[02:19] star_crossed: This game is weird
[02:19] FreezinIce: and dont read logs
[02:19] Hakulyte: I guess I'll go grab my V log
[02:19] Soundwave: I feel like putting the onus on people to prove innocence in fact skews in favor of wolves but thats a super meta theory
[02:20] FreezinIce: if we fight your going down
[02:20] Hakulyte: just to show you what the hell I got
[02:20] FreezinIce: idc wtf V said
[02:20] FreezinIce: hes a misanthopic psychopath
[02:20] Hakulyte: I guess you're not here to solve yourself
[02:20] FreezinIce: (not really)
[02:20] FreezinIce: i subbed in, im playing my game
[02:20] FreezinIce: not trying to clean house for the person before me
[02:20] Hakulyte: yeah well, rip
[02:21] star_crossed: I don't think I've ever seen Haku this annoyed
[02:21] FreezinIce: rip yourself
[02:21] FreezinIce: your being so retarded, and not in the usual haku way
[02:21] wv: Oh no
[02:21] FreezinIce: that is somewhat endearing and i can understand
[02:21] Hakulyte: I'm technically in a chat with 4 wolves
[02:21] Hakulyte: not really surprised.
[02:21] FreezinIce: ya dude
[02:21] Soundwave: Is this the needed lynch set or is it tt :thinking:
[02:22] FreezinIce: its a clown fiesta and your the last human on earth
[02:22] Hakulyte: typical game
[02:22] star_crossed: All right my spicy counterwagon to whatever the actual wagon is is knights
[02:22] FreezinIce: difference is your not doing anything this game so the usual me vs everyone shtick u pull feels hollow
[02:22] wv: Are those four wolves participating in the chat right now
[02:22] Soundwave: Probably tt, this is a dumb push tbh
[02:23] Hakulyte: yeah
[02:23] wv: So me sound haku and freezin and star
[02:23] Soundwave: Knights vs tforce isnt really all that spicy desu going tbh star
[02:23] FreezinIce: dont bother enquiring
[02:23] Soundwave: Yep wv nice solve
[02:23] FreezinIce: i can see the end and its stupid
[02:23] FreezinIce: hence why he said
[02:23] FreezinIce: "technically"

Exhibit C:

[21:45] FreezinIce: What makes you more confident in your sound wave read
[21:45] FreezinIce: Then T Force
[21:45] Hakulyte: T Force flipped town
[21:45] Hakulyte: therefore I am more confident
[21:45] Hakulyte: #next level
[21:46] FreezinIce: So your confidence is a product of probability and nothing else
[21:46] Hakulyte: that's a start for me
[21:46] Hakulyte: occam's razor not getting ignored for once
[21:49] FreezinIce: Put yourself in my shoes. You're playing with someone that you played with for 10 games or more. You figure you have a pretty good handle of their Town game, then they play in a way that while not markedly different from their Town game is still a departure. You are compromising on a lot of reads and have very few standout game solving moments. Whether you are right in the past isn't important. In my mind they became a staple of your play style and their absence is noticeable
[21:50] FreezinIce: That I cauchard play style in these moments might seem absurd when looking at it on the surface level. But in my mind what's more absurd as you had so many Town games were these traits were present in a row
[21:50] FreezinIce: Couched your*
[21:50] Hakulyte: what's your point ?
[21:50] Hakulyte: I'm just falling in fatalism
[21:50] FreezinIce: I'm explaining my scum read of you. And trying to get you to interact with me in a meaningful way
[21:51] Hakulyte: I don't think I can push you or sunfan to vote something specific
[21:51] Hakulyte: im just stuck doing my spectating garbage that autolose
[21:51] Hakulyte: had more fun doing challenges than playing this game tbh
[21:51] FreezinIce: If you don't want to actually play the game and discuss your reads, and are just content to let the chips fall, not even bothering to follow up on recent you posted 2 days ago then I guess we have nothing left to say to each other
[21:52] FreezinIce: Reads*
[21:52] FreezinIce: Anyone who's played with me, you included knows that I'm willing to entertain any Theory as long as it's plausible
[21:53] FreezinIce: But you don't even want to try to put forth the effort to change my read on you
[21:53] Hakulyte: I'm fine with the current situation
[21:53] Hakulyte: well, it could be neeee vs soundwave
[21:54] FreezinIce: More than anything, your complatancy given the current situation is what's most baffling
[21:55] FreezinIce: The writing on the wall is obvious yet you seem indifferent towards it
[21:55] Hakulyte: I've been online most of the night and no one was here
[21:56] FreezinIce: Well the onus is on you if we're being honest. But that's approaching arguing semantics
[21:56] Hakulyte: the only thing worth talking about is priorities and why
[21:57] Hakulyte: for consensus
[21:57] FreezinIce: Hmmm
[21:57] FreezinIce: Not really
[21:57] FreezinIce: Priorities and Lynch order is what wolves like to discuss
[21:58] Hakulyte: :zzz:
[21:58] FreezinIce: Because it stagnantes the game and enforces a false dichotomy
[21:58] Hakulyte: you want to make worlds with poe ?
[21:58] FreezinIce: Your my most confident scum read but even now I'm receptive to any information that could change that
[21:58] Hakulyte: you are telling me to make a world
[21:59] FreezinIce: Not really
[21:59] Hakulyte: what do you even want
[21:59] Hakulyte: lol
[22:00] FreezinIce: What I want is for you to update your reads and give me reasons that sound like they were given thought
[22:00] Hakulyte: soundwave is technically a coin flip, but it has to be done somewhere
[22:00] Hakulyte: because he legit had - no offense - relative bad games in terms of interactions as both alignments
[22:00] FreezinIce: That's ended well last time we've tried it but I agree I suppose. Though if he was here I'd try to mine him for any info I could use to get a read
[22:01] FreezinIce: He's doing the same thing as u
[22:01] FreezinIce: Memeing

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j-rodd123/DaBackpack
-Jrodd suggested viging DBP at first and seemed to think he was the most sus person on LTG at the start of the game. And DBP seemed to seriously try to get jrodd hanged when TForce eventually was
-It would be spooky if everything about the penguin riddle was faked and they actually were working together on all aspects of it the whole time (I don't actually believe this)
-According to sun fan jrodd wouldn't do a tactic of being so rude to DaBackpack just to seem not aligned, because it would be considered to lack integrity… so it would only be if jrodd was that annoyed about being bussed, which does not seem logical from how they treated each other in the rest of the game.
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Hakulyte/thesunfan
-Ever since sun fan went into serious mode he started to spread doubt about Haku as a possible deep wolf. And I do not really see a benefit to sunfan trying to “thunderdome” Haku when Haku would probably not be considered to be hanged very much otherwise, and people have confirmed that sun fan does not like to bus
- https://pastebin.com/5FhWmVQD is their private log, which is pretty in-depth and not something they have really used to excuse the other as town (this is more likely to be an accurate lean for sun fan’s behavior than for Haku’s in general I think, but still...actually most of this lean on them as not w/w is really about sunfan toward Haku)
-In Haku's case I think Haku being too deflated to want to thunderdome sunfan back, points against it slightly too
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j-rodd123/FreezinIce
-I'm not that clear on jrodd’s lean on Freezin actually
-Jrodd: “Do u have an extra chromosome or something” - “I hope you didn't take offense to the chromosome thing if so I apologize / When people are arguing with me and they don't see my perspective I get frustrated easily I don't mean to make the game toxic” (somewhat along the same lines as what I have mentioned with DBP but in context I can see more reason for jrodd to be annoyed with another wolf here, for arguing with him without actually reading)
-Freezin references from the above conversation that “i have a whole bit where i become suspect of nee and jrodd because i feel like theyre perpetuating the narrative that im afriad of (weak players being mislynched and wolves controlling the narrative of who should die) /me and jrodd fight for a while, i feel a bit better but not by much”
-Freezin has Jrodd as a slight town/possible deep wolf
Freezin giving DBP credit for jrodd’s gambit is very weird to me if Freezin & J are w/w because I am assuming that Freezin would've helped him come up with it
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DaBackpack/Hakulyte
-DBP has always sussed Haku but has not been as aggressive in doing it as others. If DBP has directly questioned Haku I can't find it
-Haku has seemed to generically like DBP after initially them both sussing each other
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j-rodd123/Hakulyte
-J was very confident in Haku as town for a while, until considering him more on the day tforce died.
- In Haku’s main read post in the thread Haku has J as strongest town
-(After tforce died) WV: “J-Rodd do you feel like you have to vote haku / Or are you entertaining other votes / Or other people I should say / You can't really have other votes” Jrodd: “Yea I feel that way” (for some reason I find this potentially sketchy? Seems like going along with others)
- This is their DM log (https://pastebin.com/mkyzq1ED). When they are discussing how the challenge works, Haku is intentionally implying a lower score than Haku later claimed to earn, which Haku brought up to Cel (possibly to seem unaligned? But also has more layers to it than a convo of just giving somebody challenge advice directly, which could be good)
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DaBackpack/FreezinIce
-The only thing I actually have that points against this is the conversation in beach starting with “there's nothing wrong with advocating for resets in principle, esp when we've been wrong so much / but seeing you advocate for resets, and then seeing you not actually following through on it / while stirring up unrest in everybody else / is fucking sketchy”
-I dislike Freezin’s reason for townreading DBP recently (“He never makes gambits as a wolf, at least that I've seen” - not true in my last game with them, which Freezin did sub from, but it is still kind of sketchy to me)
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~These ones are Just off the top of my head because I'm getting really sleepy and thus not integrated with the rest~

j-rodd123/thesunfan
-I worried a lot about this pair due to sun starting to say jrodd was 100% town all of a sudden for reasons i did not really get. Then I got their log from jrodd. It is not a pastebin so I can't share it easily. But it was fairly convincing that both are not wolves in my opinion
-Both of them seemed cautious toward the other early in the game, in terms of giving trust.
-They basically let me pick who was hanged yesterday, when I was not really taking a leadership role myself, which as far as I can tell seems like a bad play for them if they are both mafias. Even with the context being that Haku won immunity.

DaBackpack/thesunfan
-DBP keeps ignoring me in DMs when I express suspicion of sun
-Charu and Cel both had them as unaligned for seer stuff

thesunfan/FreezinIce
-I do not understand their confidence in each other, as both towns, really.
-But both are leader types, so I think they could have risked trying to get a town hanged yesterday even after Haku got immunity. But i have not fully thought that through

[the sun fan]

its the ITG tribe, stands for In The Groove, which was a DDR clone

[the sun fan]

V kinda likes to bully his wolf buddies so I /can/ see that haku/v log as w/w

[the sun fan]

I'm not convinced that freezin is town
the game rn to me is who is town between freezin/wv, itss really the last question I have

[j-rodd123]

I like it

[FreezinIce]

Waoh