Novo Mundo [10 vs. 11]

[TC_Halogen]

This is one file argument I'd like to see settled. Some people fight for it as a low 11, but almost everyone agrees that it's a borderline file.

I can't for the life of me score well on this file consistently, but I think it should be dropped to a VC. What do you guys think?

[V-Ormix]

I really believe this to be a low 11, that jump before the roll I had never known was there for many years till I watched a replay of it...

[00Razor00]

The rolls are so slow to PA for me. Otherwise, everything else is piss easy. I'd say a 10.

[rushyrulz]

low eleven IMO, those 32nd bursts have screwed me up many-a-time, not to mention the awkward transition into the roll and the roll itself. I'm sure there will be a nice back and forth in this thread :P

[smartdude1212]

This is by far an 11. The sandwich-like jumpstream and the long roll and the few minijacks make it so.

I really never understood how this could be a 10.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

If this chart is kept as an 11 the only reasons for that would be the fact it's awkward off beat and the 1 roll.

I vote it as a 10. This chart isn't dense enough in the center for the difficulty to remain a constant 11. Because of the drop and the easier intro I say 10. Also: Half those 32nds don't feel like they should be there... But being the maker of the song should be able to step it better than anyone in terms of noting all the sounds I've never really mentioned it.

PS: Someone should resync it. It's off slightly.

[rushyrulz]

This is a highly subjective file, very easy for some, super difficult for others. I didn't even nail this until I had 4 or 5 FMOs under my belt already and I had been sincerely trying to AAA this file in particular for the better part of 2 years. (I actually blackflagged it in 2009 when it unlocked oni and never fixed it til 2011.)

[TC_Halogen]

Something noteworthy about this song is that it has a triple digit AAA count. That might be grounds for a drop to a 10 too.

EDIT: Hmm, didn't notice that Rottel-Da-Station falls under this scenario, although that's another file that I believe is a 10 as well (see Lunar Saturation, which has fairly similar pattern structure to the hardest sections of Rottel).

[smartdude1212]

Lolo has 53 AAAs and Reality has 50 but they're still FGO.

I realize Lolo is one of the supposed borderline difficulties but I thought I'd point this out.

Edit: On the topic of Rottel, it's a file that was an 11 because of avmisses. Just like Sympathizer, which is made easier when you don't have to worry about 4-framers and shit, it could easily be dropped to a 10.

[rushyrulz]

People are getting better so the AAA counts go up, however that doesn't make the actual chart itself any less difficult.

Choprite, Going on Spring Wind, and BB Evolution have AAA counts that are up there as well and I can't seem to AAA any of them.

EDIT: Rottel is probably a different thread, but I know that song screws with tons of people, be it the weird ass intro, the difficult sandwich patterns, or the split jumptrill patterns and is a firm 11 IMO.

[Sky Kitten]

I think with some files, because of how many people have AAA'd them, they just assume the file itself is too easy and therefore it gets dropped a difficulty.

I think that should never be a factor for dropping/bumping up files.

To be on topic with Novo Mundo, song's a bit offsync and there are bursts and the occasional spots that throw you off and of course the rollllllllllllllls.

It should stay as low-11.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

People are getting better so the AAA counts go up, however that doesn't make the actual chart itself any less difficult.

Oh my god this is true.

Lowering a chart due to AAA count should ALWAYS be out of the question for this reason.

[rushyrulz]

Continue Rottel discussion here. (after it gets approved, I guess)

[Emithith]

There are a few VCs that are harder than Novo, and I feel that if it were an 11 it wouldn't make sense.

Didj PVC
Beaudmagen or whatever it is

those are a couple anyway. Make it a 10 already dammit.

[Anaru]

Novo Mundo felt like a low 11 to me (the first time playing it.)

Found many 10s to be slightly easier than the song. Although, the relatively low notes per-second on Novo Mundo might be a reason to drop it to a 10..

I've also found many 10s to be much harder. Finders Keepers, Bus Rides with People, etcetera. But feels like a low 11 due to some weird patterns throughout.

[stavie33]

I will fight for low 11, just because it has too many tricky parts. The jumpstream is weird and has mini jacks, it's really a mid 10 for most of the file, but the 32nd bursts throughout the song and jumpstream make it a high 10. It's also at an awkward BPM that requires lots of control...you can't speed up your playing and expect not to pull tons of goods, something that I can afford to do in the Lawn Wake jumpstreams, I can just blitz them. Then there's the wall, it's too slow to jumptrill but just fast enough that you have to have both speed and accuracy to AAA, it also starts on a jump right after some heavy jumpstream. That pushes it up to an 11, arguably the lowest, but nonetheless an 11.

[Winrar]

Most of these opinions are people that can wreck FMOs. Mid last year I didn't have a single FMO FC. I got Lawn Wake I as my first, and got the FC on Novo as my 10th or so, wasn't quite an easy get. It should stay where it is as a low end FMO.

[nois-or-e]

Please remember to add reasons, references to patterns/sections to all responses and votes. Saying you think it should be a [10/11/12/w.e] is completely useless and will be deleted if it contains no solid reasoning or references to the chart to back it up.

All of this information can be found in the stickies of this subforum.

[krunkykai22]

I'm sorry, but regardless of the fact I can't AAA Novo, it should be a 10. No doubt, there is nothing in that song that is really difficult to PA. NOT to mention, this file is 10x easier then a song like Feldschlatt or BRWP. If they are borderline FMO's this should be right under them. Hell even Vertex Beta is harder then this lol

[TC_Halogen]

I realized that this thread was made after the forum sticky was made, and I never gave my thoughts on it. Here's my reasoning for it.

The song runs at 140 BPM, and runs straight 16ths for a good majority of the song. Granted, there are intermittent mini-jacks, but there are plenty of other 10s that do the same thing, including interruption of flow with a mini-jack + jump combo (see: He's a Pirate, for one with the 3/3/34). There are many 10s that are considerably faster and carry a higher density throughout the song with a similar pattern structure (see: Ninja Lad, which has broken jumpstream that ends in mini-jacks), and there are also 10s that use bursts a bit faster and more rigidly than Novo Mundo does (Bus Rides With People, albeit considerable as an 11; Twelve, DIDJ PVC, Feldschlacht, Phantom Ensemble).

We can't also forget the songs that use bursts considerably more than this one at higher speeds and are used in difficulties lower than 11 (to the Heaven -Driven Beat Remix-, Finder, SAMBISTA, Pimp Slap [one handed trills into reverse burst? ew]).

Novo Mundo's bursts are very reminiscent of Otter's Dance; the only difference between them is that there are jumps occasionally separating 32nd notes. Every section of this file can be compared to a file of much lower difficulty:

- 16th stream/jumpstreaming + interruption - many 10s, one of which to keep in mind of is Turbulence, which has mini-jacks in the middle of the run at a comparable (or the same) BPM.
- 32nd bursting + jumps - a bit harder to find, but something like Hero's Theme outro is comparable to this
- 32nd roll: while this might have a jump on it, rolling 1/32nd of a note early can land you the AAA, and this roll is actually slower than the roll in Legendary Etude, which actually has a forward/reverse roll in the middle of a stream, 5 notes a piece, BEFORE jumping into the roll.

Statistically, this does have a high AAA count for a FMO. I see a few other FMO rated files that have more, like Lawn Wake I - but it actually has reason to be a FMO with the amount of speed and technicality that it entails to do properly. This song is a bit too slow to have that same kind of technical factor.