TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Well I think you're overestimating how easy it is to but i guess it comes down to playstyle?

Pretty much. If you think you have a better idea, I'd like to hear about it.

I just feel like wolves tend to stay in the null range while the top scum/towns/weaker players tend to randomly 180 from really towny to really wolfy and rip (or get NK'd if too towny).

Null players tend to reach end game on this forum and it makes sense to me to try to target them for a change.

That's just a personal preference.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

hey mml what did you want to accomplish by blowing up on haku.

that cliche is so played out its actually comical that it bothers you so much.

I said fuck a single digit number of times, left a vote and closed the tab. If you think that's me blowing up then you don't know me well enough for all the shit talk you're spewing concerning how I play.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

heres the kicker for me though

this game,

HIS PLAY IS NOT EVEN THAT BAD.

with the exception of the massively pointless argument he had with blind over what boils down to semantics, i saw you have an aneurysm over what haku was saying and im thinking to myself

"whats the big problem here that warrants such an unreasonably explosive response????"

The entire "Please judge me off my meta and how this game is like this other game" defense is bullshit and if you can't see that then you are no where near as good at this game as you may think. Responding to me with a troll response is also pretty unhelpful for town.

Also Haku does that shit every fucking game and it's tiring. I don't want to not play games because certain people are in them but fuck me I don't have the time for this.

I would ask you to try and defend meta defense but lo and behold you pulled that shit as well. At least you where going on the offensive with it which I'm tempted to say isn't nearly as bad but defending Haku's use if it totally is.

Originally Posted by tiloco217

It's less them arguing and more how they argued.

Assume w/w:

Haku might have asked the question to blind that started the interaction but he would not have jumped all over it. Haku would have just thought that his partner fucked up but how does it help his wincon to call out his partner? I really doubt Haku would start the argument if they were partners

Assume w/t:

These worlds have a little more merit but I don't think either are likely.

Haku is most likely to be the wolf based on this interaction alone. I definitely think that if he felt that he had caught a town in a trap he would jump all over them. However, I think that Haku has been rather towny leading up to this interaction and town Haku would probably have the same reaction to mafia Haku here so I'm willing to keep the town read on Haku for it

Blind being mafia is hard for me to believe because of how real he felt in his posts. I think that if Blind was mafia he would have just egged Haku on instead of bewilderingly asking what Haku was trying to do. Sure he could also go the route of trying to calm Haku down and hoping that by solving the dispute Blind would get town points from Haku but in that situation Blind's reaction wouldn't have felt real and I very much believe it was.

Going through the scenarios I think that by far the most likely one is t/t because everything they did feels like it could easily come from a town and none of it seems likely to have been fabricated.

So I liked this post, although I'll give Freezin some credit and side with him: They can absolutely be w/w or w/t

Now personally considering Haku's past games and the fact that Blind has been out of it for so long, I doubt hardcore it's w/w because it did look pretty natural, but a wolf could absolutely get emotional over a spat like that because it could start a wagon on him depending on shit.

Originally Posted by tiloco217

Don't really remember most of DBP's reads so I'd have to iso (did I use it right?) him to actually see if you're right but if you are it probably means he's town

This is the worst fucking logic
"Did he say what I said? Probably town"
Like dude, what?

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

im getting vibes from last game atm with the potential risk/reward of leaving inactives alive versus the economy of killing them off. TBH for the purpose of my thinking dropping slank doesnt matter. I know its considered poor form to attack people who've dropped slank for being inactive. Well, call me a 500lb fat guy and push me off the diving board because thats what im about to do.

There are 2 categories of players. Active and inactive

Inactives have less posts than the host:

Soundwave-
Lightknight924
mellonxcollie
roundbox
Cold Kitten

I would be interested to know how many wolves people think are among actives/inactives

Oh at least 1. Always is.
Probably not Mellon or Roundbox as they seem like their normal town selves.
Don't know the others well enough.

I say if anyone has 10 post or under d2 then we revisit lynching them but on d0 I rather try and find the active wolves; theirs always some active wolves.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

roundbox come baccckkkkk


what if i told you, you would die 100% of the time if you dont have at least 30 content filled posts by the end of the day.

do you think you would make it

Not if DOTA has anything to say about it.

I like most of your post doing this little stay of yours tone wise but this one reeks of empty threats you know won't matter and feels off to me.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

So yeah I think your rule might be the way to go after thinking about it more.

But how often do you find compelling evidence d0 that leads to a wolf? I dont think i can remember a time in recent memory where thats happened?

surely sorting out semi-inactives is better done sooner than later.

You sure are hardcore about buddying up with Haku this game.
noted

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

You sure are hardcore about buddying up with Haku this game.
noted

dont be jelly dude, theres enough lovin to go around.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

dont be jelly dude, theres enough lovin to go around.

As much as I wanted more of a response, I won't lie I laughed.

That said

You got more of a response?

[Hakulyte]

I have MML as town at this point and the passive aggressive hate I gave him yesterday has little to do with him and a lot more with myself. It was also fairly unjustified. There was other ways to approach this.

Part of it was how fast he town read me this game, but it's not the first time he's doing it and he has been right the majority of the time.

I was also fairly tired that day, but that's not particularly important.

Anyway, going to sleep.

[the sun fan]

votecount:
blind (1)- Xiz
lightknight (1)- inDheart
Lar (2)- DBP, blind
soundwave (1)- Manti
Haku (1)- Lar
mellon (1)- FreezinIce
unvote (3)- Cold Kitten, Haku, Xel

[FreezinIce]

hey MML can you honestly tell me you dont look back at the times when roundbox was actually a driving force in TWG and really wish he'd finally step his game up and play like he means it again???

if my post seemed like it was threatening him, its because it is. im tired of watching him coast through games and not contribute his thoughts unless they get pulled out like wisdom teeth

[FreezinIce]

to be fair to haku though, manti pretty much came out and asked him how to judge his play and he answered him. It wasn't the usual fatalism and self-obsessed play. he was answering a question.

[FreezinIce]

your heated response was to hakus one antagonistic jab towards you so ill give you the benefit of the doubt on that.

i just didnt want the storyline where everyone rages at haku and the thread becomes about him 24/7 to happen again (SEE: WIFOM D0)

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

hey MML can you honestly tell me you dont look back at the times when roundbox was actually a driving force in TWG and really wish he'd finally step his game up and play like he means it again???

I won't lie, I fucking do all the time.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

if my post seemed like it was threatening him, its because it is. im tired of watching him coast through games and not contribute his thoughts unless they get pulled out like wisdom teeth

OK pal, don't let me stop you.

At the very least I'll have exactly two (2) angry Roundbox posts to read.

[FreezinIce]

Most posts in thread

King Me Bitches.

back to persona 5

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

to be fair to haku though, manti pretty much came out and asked him how to judge his play and he answered him. It wasn't the usual fatalism and self-obsessed play. he was answering a question.

If it was that one post then yeah. If it was two then ok

He just kept going on about it though.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

i just didnt want the storyline where everyone rages at haku and the thread becomes about him 24/7 to happen again (SEE: WIFOM D0)

Oh, I was planning to dodge that by dropping my own activity so the others can get more space but...

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

I guess I'll expand a bit.

I'm worried you may be trying to generate an early town persona with your effort posting and are currently laying the groundwork to UTR with that town persona intact. Its a good long term wolf play, and I want to keep tabs on it.

This is kind of annoying me.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Oh, I was planning to dodge that by dropping my own activity

eeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[MixMasterLar]

So basically what you just admitted was you where gonna employ the same strat you got called out on and you're annoyed that Manti was correct


Fucking


Ew

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

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Option B is me doing the WiFoM game again.

[MixMasterLar]

Can't wait to see Freezin defend that

[MixMasterLar]

And actually, until Freezin or somebody else does respond to that Imma go eat

Because I'm just drunk enough to get flaming pissed again but sobering up fast enough to know I will.

So yeah, peace

[Hakulyte]

I'm literally telling you that me being afk is beneficial for town because it creates an environment where the other players talk with players that aren't me.

I know that looks retarded on paper, but the truth is that the games will always be about me by default because I'm more often online here than the average.
The longer I live as town, the more wolves have content by me to hide.

It's breaking the balance in terms of info and it's just making content about be about "haku vs player A, haku vs player B and haku vs player C etc.".

If I don't bring new content, it's like I'm giving too much leeway for the wolf team to be able to just do nothing and wait until something dumb happens.
It happens all the time if you've been attentive to my games to the point that I'm surprised I'm not getting told to talk less and do more quality posts instead.

Oh wait- I've been told exactly that in WiFoM.

Point is that I should be the exception with activity unless I believe I have something relevant to contribute to the progress of the game directly.
Random chatter doesn't change much.
You won't see someone like Roundbox reach 200 posts D0 with 90% of random pushes on players. He's just going to sit back and analyze players one by one.

I can't do this most of the time because I'm usually constantly busy answering things that are not particularly important and it's hurting me.
It's also hurting town because they have to filter what's important in my posts from what is not and that's boring.

#lol rant

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Hey cool when I have some time this evening I see a handful of things I can react to! Nice. Well, react is a poor word. I actually have some reads and stuff

My perception of the thread AS OF THIS POST was


I am even more convinced now that Blind is town. He had a solid entrance but his tizzy with MML only served to solidify it. I remember the last wolf game blind had and it was not very pretty in terms of activity and performance (he won though), and this game looks NOTHING like it. He was tossing slank left and right and was always here on time. Meta aside, he had some vitriol on D1 with a player he's unfamiliar with in terms of play and I feel like they would have had a bit more cohesion as wolf partners as they had a pretty lengthy pregame period.

MML on the other hand has less town points as his constant use of ANGERY WORDS against most all players but Tokzic makes him appear he cares. Well, a care from a non wolf. MML had good performance last FE game as a third party so I wouldn't put it past him to do it again. That being said, there's no guarantee he's third party. One other reason for town cred is how many people are latching onto him for a lynch. Seems fairly easy and effortless to put MML on the gallows D0 for an otherwise non-alarming D0. The biggest detractor from MMLs towniness is the big focus on Haku. I would like to state that this isn't The Haku Show starring Haku (with special guest Haku), so we should stray away from that.

I had a mindmeld with the otherwise succinct DaBackpack on Freezin's interpretation of the MML/blind situation. I think him throwing shade on anyone calling it TvT is a gross generalization. I believe my argument for their interaction above is more than satisfactory for a TvT read that isn't just saying "yeah that sounds TvT." Examples, br0. DaBackpack will set off WARNING BELLS if he remains as short spoken as I was mindmelding with him last game and he was a dirty wolf!!

Haku is a bit too concerned about his alignment and staying alive in regards to players that haven't been in a game with him yet, which does worry me a little.

As for everyone else, you still are in null or TBD land for me. Now to catch up on the content AFTER this post.