Untitled Nolan Batman Sequel (2012)

[MrRubix]

http://www.digitaltrends.com/enterta...ovie/?news=123

What do you guys think? I think he's definitely up for a villainous role, and my money's on any of the following:

Black Mask
The Riddler
Deadshot
Bane

[Afrobean]

Can we get the thread title changed to "Untitled Nolan Batman sequel (2012)" or something so we can keep all of the discussion of this movie in one thread? This one little bit of information isn't enough alone to warrant a thread.

Was this seriously confirmed though? I thought it was just a rumor that he was cast, just like before there were tons of rumors that Joseph Gordon-Levitt was on the shortlist to be cast.

I'm hoping for Riddler and Hush for this movie. Per that, I'm going to say that I'm hoping for Hardy to be Tommy Elliot.

Deadshot has almost no chance of happening though. He was adapted into Smallville because Smallville is using the Suicide Squad, and I don't think Nolan would have ever allowed WB to use Deadshot in that way if he was planning on using him. Remember: it's his Batman films that have kept Batman from appearing in live action on TV in any way at all, and in fact, Deadshot is the first Batman enemy to appear on Smallville. His use of Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul and Twoface also kept those characters from being used in the animated "The Batman" series, although I guess they're appearing in The Brave and the Bold cartoon now.

Black Mask could actually happen. I wouldn't mind seeing him too much. As far as mafia-type characters, he's definitely among the ones I would most like to see, along with a more true-to-form Penguin. If they delve deep into the mafia stuff, I'd also like to see Matches Malone appear.

And Bane could happen, but I wouldn't expect someone like Tom Hardy to do it. I'm not sure who I would expect but he doesn't feel right to me. Doesn't feel burly enough.

ps did you hear the rumors of Killer Croc? No way in hell is that gonna happen. It all came about because they're planning on using New Orleans for filming because of the great tax breaks. Some fools heard "New Orleans", figured "swamps", then jumped right over to "Killer Croc". I guess they missed the part where Green Lantern is filming there too and swamps don't play into that movie at all.

[MrRubix]

Done. And yes it was confirmed.

I personally would love to see Bane done correctly. He's actually an intelligent character and has been misrepresented in films such as Batman and Robin. We have yet to see anyone really give Batman a physical challenge. Batman's more or less come out of every brawl ahead of the opponents. I'd love to see that change up a bit -- especially if we go the Knightfall route and have Bane "break the bat," but this is probably unlikely.

Eames has the potential to be physically intimidating, but perhaps not on Bane's level, granted. Deadshot does seem less likely, given your evidence. Black Mask is nevertheless an excellent contender, given that his backstory would weave in nicely with Nolan's story and provide a way to wrap up the trilogy (especially when you consider the mob ties).

The only hesitation I have about the Riddler is that he's normally not a physically intimidating character, and we already got a fair share of mental gymnastics from Ras al Ghul and the Joker. There may be some redundancy on making a character who is "heady." Then again, almost every one of Nolan's movies are that way -- somehow delving into those mental loops (Memento, Inception, Ras al Ghul's intelligence, Scarecrow and his hallucinogens, Joker and his cunning schemes, etc).

Anything's fair game at this point, though, depending on how Nolan alters details and reinvents certain character aspects. I don't think we'll see Mr.Freeze/Catwoman/Clayface/Killer Croc because those characters are simply unrealistic and/or campy in their scope. Especially when you consider that Nolan's movies use little to no CGI, I think we can safely assume that the villains will follow suit.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

We have yet to see anyone really give Batman a physical challenge.

Hush would give him a perfect mirror challenge in every single way. Bane is superior to Batman in terms of physical strength. Bane just blows Batman out of the water. It's not really challenge of might when one side is able to completely curbstomp the other.

if we go the Knightfall route and have Bane "break the bat," but this is probably unlikely.

Not happening. The only reason Batman recovered in the comics is because he exists in a comics world where magic can happen. No, if Nolan tried to touch that storyline, he'd probably have to kill Bruce or leave him permanently paralyzed to do it. Doing that would undermine the function of the story arc so far, and he'd probably have to bring in a side-kick or replacement to defeat the villain in the third act.

Anyway, the films haven't really been direct adaptations so far. I doubt they'd start it now by trying to directly adapt Knightfall.

The only hesitation I have about the Riddler is that he's normally not a physically intimidating character

He's not. He's purely intellectual. He's a great match for Hush. Riddler providing an intellectual challenge to the World's Greatest Detective, and Hush serving as a mirror version of Batman, countering him in every other way.

I guess it could be interesting to see Riddler and Bane team up for similar reasons, although it wouldn't exactly be the same. Riddler is roughly Batman's equal in intellect at best, but Bane bests Batman physically easily.

and we already got a fair share of mental gymnastics from Ras al Ghul and the Joker.

No. Ra's offered Bruce an ethical challenge, while Joker served to challenge Batman's desire for order with manufactured chaos.

Neither served an intellectual challenge. No villain in these films has hit the note a good incarnation of Riddler is capable of. Riddler does what he does just to try to prove he is better than the Batman. He doesn't do it because he's a well-intentioned extremist like Ra's, and he doesn't do it because he finds humor in anarchy like Joker.

[MrRubix]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Hush would give him a perfect mirror challenge in every single way. Bane is superior to Batman in terms of physical strength. Bane just blows Batman out of the water. It's not really challenge of might when one side is able to completely curbstomp the other.

I agree that Hush would serve as a decent challenge on a variety of metrics, but I think there is some excitement in the notion of a character like Bane who is just so strong and yet intelligent enough to really give Batman a run for his money. Bane's not invulnerable, and Batman has certainly been able to hold his own... but Bane always edges out ahead until Batman figures out how to beat Bane through intellectual means that don't rely on sheer strength.

Again I doubt Bane will be in the movie, but I would still love to see how Nolan would handle such a character.

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Not happening. The only reason Batman recovered in the comics is because he exists in a comics world where magic can happen. No, if Nolan tried to touch that storyline, he'd probably have to kill Bruce or leave him permanently paralyzed to do it. Doing that would undermine the function of the story arc so far, and he'd probably have to bring in a side-kick or replacement to defeat the villain in the third act.

Anyway, the films haven't really been direct adaptations so far. I doubt they'd start it now by trying to directly adapt Knightfall.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Afrobean

He's not. He's purely intellectual. He's a great match for Hush. Riddler providing an intellectual challenge to the World's Greatest Detective, and Hush serving as a mirror version of Batman, countering him in every other way.

I guess it could be interesting to see Riddler and Bane team up for similar reasons, although it wouldn't exactly be the same. Riddler is roughly Batman's equal in intellect at best, but Bane bests Batman physically easily.

You do remind me of a good point that I had actually just spaced out until now. So far, we've gotten two villains per movie. It's very possible that we'd get a Hush/Riddler combo. That'd be really, really fun to see.

Originally Posted by Afrobean

No. Ra's offered Bruce an ethical challenge, while Joker served to challenge Batman's desire for order with manufactured chaos.

Neither served an intellectual challenge. No villain in these films has hit the note a good incarnation of Riddler is capable of. Riddler does what he does just to try to prove he is better than the Batman. He doesn't do it because he's a well-intentioned extremist like Ra's, and he doesn't do it because he finds humor in anarchy like Joker.

I suppose, but I do think the semantics are debatable. Most of the Riddler's challenges would likely involve some form of ethical dilemmas or, at the very least, riddles that would result in catastrophe if unsolved.

[Grandiagod]

Let me guess, Batman will beat the bad guy.

[Afrobean]

Not necessarily.

But probably, yeah.

[Afrobean]

sup

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/...e-the-riddler/

So I guess a thread title change is in order...? Not a very good title in my opinion. Probably wanted to play the "_____ Returns" game, but decided naming a new movie "Batman Returns" would be a bad idea, and didn't want to call it "The Dark Knight Returns" unless he was adapting that comic story. Really wish they'd take a page from the Bond book and stop referring to Batman in the title every single time. Imagine if Casino Royale had been called "Bond Begins" and Quantum of Solace was "007". Stupid, stupid stuff.

I'm still holding out hope that Nolan is lying though. I really want to see Riddler appear under his direction. I fear that next time they get around to giving us a Riddler in live action, it'll be a retread of the same tired characterization from back in the Adam West series, something that played heavily into Jim Carey's portrayal in Batman Forever. I want to see the dapper gentleman in a green business suit. I don't want a wild maniac in a spandex bodysuit.

I'm also bummed that he's shunning 3D. If any director could deliver good art with stereoscopy it's him, especially if he brings back any of the cinematographers he's worked with on past films.

[Bill Kaulitz]

I thought Jim Carrey was a hilarious Riddler. But that's just me I guess.

[MrRubix]

I am okay with the villain not being Riddler. I am okay with the lack of 3D (I have found 3D to be more gimmicky than anything -- it hasn't added to my overall enjoyment of the movie much). I just want the villain to be someone we all know and love, and I want the villain to be done properly.

At this point I am holding out for Black Mask. Looks like Hardy may be playing Bullock. I hope there *is* a villain. If it's just a movie about Batman versus the mob, I won't be seeing it.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Bill Kaulitz

I thought Jim Carrey was a hilarious Riddler. But that's just me I guess.

Riddler is not supposed to be hilarious.

Looks like Hardy may be playing Bullock.

I don't think this is very likely. It apparently all stems from someone anonymously adding "detective" to the IMDB information about his role in this movie. With the escalation arc played from Batman Begins to The Dark Knight, however, I don't expect to see Harvey Bullock playing a very important role in the film, if he appears at all. After all, Flass from Batman Begins was an amalgamation of two characters from the comics: Flass and Bullock. And after Hardy's position in Nolan's Inception, I don't think Nolan would relegate the guy to a small role either. He'll be an important character.

If he's playing a detective really, I think it's more likely that he'd be Edward Nigma, private detective. Ok, maybe not, but I'd really like to cling to the idea that Nolan is lying to us.