Air [55 or 62]

**RNGRX** · 08-22-2013, 09:24 PM

The only reason I can see this song being such a high difficulty is because of the song length. This song has some moderately fast streams but not really anything faster than Danzai Yamaxanadu [49] and gives a lot of time to recover. The song is also rather basic when it comes to the patterns. Nothing tricky or complicated. There are a few occasional bursts of notes but they're also spread out between the four notes so they're really easy to hit.

Vertex Beta [63] is only one difficulty higher and has a faster stream of notes with no time to recover after the stream. I don't see stamina being a problem in the song.

**bmah** · 08-22-2013, 09:26 PM

Thread approved.

**thesunfan** · 08-22-2013, 10:20 PM

Length is supposed to be a solid factor, imo, and I've gotten shit for it, so I won't make that argument.
One hand trills are awkward. Yeah, most of it is stream, and if that plays to your strengths, you're going to do well on it. The bursts can be awkward at first, but aren't too bad once you get used to them. Frustrating to AAA, yes. To do anything else, its a lower-end sixty to me. Maybe we could take a point or two off, I don't see much point in it being only 1 lower than vertex beta.

dAnceguy117 · 08-22-2013, 11:59 PM

Air is 178 BPM
Vertex BETA is, what, 200 BPM?

That's a huge difference. I agree that the difficulties for those two should be further spread out.

**smartdude1212** · 08-23-2013, 12:05 AM

Isn't Sirius a 59 or something with much more layered, complex patterns than those in Air?

I think I played Slaytronic on rates today (rated something like a 64) and from 1.6 (or whatever rate I was on), it seemed like the song should normally be rated high 50s.

Do I spot a trend in some of those low-60 song ratings?

James May · 08-23-2013, 12:14 AM

Personally, it should stay as a 55 but if anything maybe bumping it to a 57 may work if the stats for the song shows that it's unfavorable for a 55. Patterns are fairly simple, only thing it is barring that the file was mainly intended for 1-handed/intermediate spread players who are use to having 1-handed trills and whatnot. I can see why the trills can derp up a spread player but personally, I don't think that it shouldn't be out of the heavy unlock range. It's just too simple to be in the scarhand standard unlock range...56 is the most I would go personally...

**TC_Halogen** · 08-23-2013, 12:34 AM

This song is long, daunting, and quite awkward. The patterns aren't very friendly to any style (index players will get chewed up by the bursts, spread players get chewed up by trills, and one-handed players lol), and the song is really long and somewhat unrelenting in the second half. I'd say dropping it to something like a 60, but nothing lower than that.

James May · 08-23-2013, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RNGRX

The song is a 62.

Oh whoops x.x this is what happens when I only play fmo+ for a good year or so and disregard errything else. But yeah, with that said, 60. No less than that. I thought it was a 55 since I'm use to reading the current diff on the left and the proposed on the right lmao

**Guest15937** · 08-23-2013, 03:00 AM

Am I the only one that thinks VB is underrated? Almost everyone seems to use it when discussing difficulties of 60-ish songs. Maybe it should be pushed upwards, not everything else downwards.

**FontSize72LOL** · 08-27-2013, 09:30 PM

I'd be ok with it dropped to 60, but not less, If anything VB should be a 65, not a 64. But that's another thread.

**SK8R43** · 08-28-2013, 01:21 AM

I think it is fine where it is, its a very tricky song to AAA to be honest. '

And lol Vertex Beta should be like a 68-69 nothing lower.

**Lambdadelta** · 08-28-2013, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SK8R43

I think it is fine where it is, its a very tricky song to AAA to be honest. '

And lol Vertex Beta should be like a 68-69 nothing lower.

Low fmo's start at 66 if I remember correctly so I don't think it should be moved higher then 65.

**XelNya** · 08-28-2013, 01:45 AM

Leave Air at around 61 and then bump Vertex to a 65.

This way they're more spread out, but it gives Vertex the difficulty rating it should have in the first place.

**SK8R43** · 08-28-2013, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambdadelta

Low fmo's start at 66 if I remember correctly so I don't think it should be moved higher then 65.

Yeah and Vertex beta is mid FMO. Theres no doubt about that.

I know its not a good arguement at all, but i have something like 6-0-0-1 on VB, im good at streams and one hand trills and have multiple FGO SDG's.

EDIT: If someone AAAs VB, then they DESERVE ONI... just saying

**popsicle_3000** · 08-28-2013, 05:16 AM

VB used to give oni back in the day

**PaperclipGames** · 08-28-2013, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SK8R43

Yeah and Vertex beta is mid FMO. Theres no doubt about that.

I know its not a good arguement at all, but i have something like 6-0-0-1 on VB, im good at streams and one hand trills and have multiple FGO SDG's.

EDIT: If someone AAAs VB, then they DESERVE ONI... just saying

I honestly couldn't disagree more. I would feel comfortable having VB as a 65, but definitely not 66 or even higher. The only thing in VB that makes it very hard are the two one-handed trills. All of the other patterns in VB are really easy to hit and to keep up with - at least, to me. I know it's one of the songs I'll probably never AAA (forever 0-1-0-1 lmao), but I don't think it's an FMO at all.

Also, agreeing with Middie here.

**Lambdadelta** · 08-28-2013, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SK8R43

Yeah and Vertex beta is mid FMO. Theres no doubt about that.

I know its not a good arguement at all, but i have something like 6-0-0-1 on VB, im good at streams and one hand trills and have multiple FGO SDG's.

EDIT: If someone AAAs VB, then they DESERVE ONI... just saying

On the old scale maybe, not the new one.
VB hasn't been an Oni unlock in years. and it just doesn't stack up.

Charts like All Ya'll Bitches, Southern Cross, Guitar sounds and Alchemy are all just under the 66 line and are just as hard as VB yet non of them give Oni.

Anyway back to Air, Still don't see it going any higher then 65, and that's just from the length of the chart.
If it was a cut version then it'd probably be more suited around 62.

**One Winged Angel** · 08-28-2013, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XelNya

Leave Air at around 61 and then bump Vertex to a 65.

This way they're more spread out, but it gives Vertex the difficulty rating it should have in the first place.

I like this idea the most, Air could probably go down to 60/61 and pushing VB up increases the distance between both stream files.

VB doesn't feel more than a 64 to me (the vast majority of 65s are more difficult to PA imo), but if you guys wanna push it right up to border for those dickish one hand trills and sheer stream length, fine with me.

**popsicle_3000** · 08-28-2013, 05:28 PM

i think i'd like to see air at 61, VB at 64. air is long, and just doesn't match up to a lot of 60s. and we all know vb, but it's just consistency. makes the trills tough to do later in the file

08-22-2013, 09:24 PM	#1
RNGRX FFR Veteran Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 683	Air [55 or 62] The only reason I can see this song being such a high difficulty is because of the song length. This song has some moderately fast streams but not really anything faster than Danzai Yamaxanadu [49] and gives a lot of time to recover. The song is also rather basic when it comes to the patterns. Nothing tricky or complicated. There are a few occasional bursts of notes but they're also spread out between the four notes so they're really easy to hit. Vertex Beta [63] is only one difficulty higher and has a faster stream of notes with no time to recover after the stream. I don't see stamina being a problem in the song.

08-22-2013, 09:26 PM	#2
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Air [55 or 62] Thread approved.

08-22-2013, 11:59 PM	#4
dAnceguy117 new hand moves = dab Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: he/they Age: 33 Posts: 10,094	Re: Air [55 or 62] Air is 178 BPM Vertex BETA is, what, 200 BPM? That's a huge difference. I agree that the difficulties for those two should be further spread out.

08-23-2013, 12:05 AM	#5
smartdude1212 2 is poo Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 6,687	Re: Air [55 or 62] Isn't Sirius a 59 or something with much more layered, complex patterns than those in Air? I think I played Slaytronic on rates today (rated something like a 64) and from 1.6 (or whatever rate I was on), it seemed like the song should normally be rated high 50s. Do I spot a trend in some of those low-60 song ratings?

08-23-2013, 12:14 AM	#6
James May FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2012 Age: 30 Posts: 3,799	Re: Air [55 or 62] Personally, it should stay as a 55 but if anything maybe bumping it to a 57 may work if the stats for the song shows that it's unfavorable for a 55. Patterns are fairly simple, only thing it is barring that the file was mainly intended for 1-handed/intermediate spread players who are use to having 1-handed trills and whatnot. I can see why the trills can derp up a spread player but personally, I don't think that it shouldn't be out of the heavy unlock range. It's just too simple to be in the scarhand standard unlock range...56 is the most I would go personally... __________________ bananas

08-23-2013, 12:34 AM	#7
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Air [55 or 62] This song is long, daunting, and quite awkward. The patterns aren't very friendly to any style (index players will get chewed up by the bursts, spread players get chewed up by trills, and one-handed players lol), and the song is really long and somewhat unrelenting in the second half. I'd say dropping it to something like a 60, but nothing lower than that.

08-23-2013, 03:00 AM	#9
Guest15937 One-handed elite Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,464	Re: Air [55 or 62] Am I the only one that thinks VB is underrated? Almost everyone seems to use it when discussing difficulties of 60-ish songs. Maybe it should be pushed upwards, not everything else downwards. __________________ The renegade has betrayed me.

08-27-2013, 09:30 PM	#10
FontSize72LOL ☆~{2D <3}~☆ Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: World Age: 33 Posts: 833	Re: Air [55 or 62] I'd be ok with it dropped to 60, but not less, If anything VB should be a 65, not a 64. But that's another thread.

08-28-2013, 01:21 AM	#11
SK8R43 D7 Elite Keymasher Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In My Room, 10101 Age: 33 Posts: 4,676	Re: Air [55 or 62] I think it is fine where it is, its a very tricky song to AAA to be honest. ' And lol Vertex Beta should be like a 68-69 nothing lower. __________________ Thee Burstinator [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

08-28-2013, 01:45 AM	#13
XelNya [Nobody liked that.] Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3,358	Re: Air [55 or 62] Leave Air at around 61 and then bump Vertex to a 65. This way they're more spread out, but it gives Vertex the difficulty rating it should have in the first place.

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