FFR Suggestions

[popsicle_3000]

Originally Posted by foxfire667

PS:

Do you honestly believe that if you were to mash an FC on this file, that this run should be significantly WORSE than yours? Do you believe that others who play accurately but miss should abandon accuracy and mash away to "improve their skill" on files? I genuinely hope not.

as much of a traditionalist I am, you have a very good point here

[ReikonKeiri]

too much rage itt. that's a fairly ad hominem post so I'm just gonna say I disagree with you and leave it at that. (i could get a fairly clean FC of vs boss battle I just havent got around to it. that file is abysmal. there is nothing I regret about my Pants score) I will say though that I don't care nearly as much as you do. If the guys in charge are taking a poll here count me down as 1 for combo scoring, but if FFR makes the change to raw scoring I'm not going to quit playing. Whatever happens, happens.

Any chance we could get a lag calibration feature? Offset isn't what I'm talking about, wondering if I'll ever be able to play FFR on my HD monitor that has about 20 ms delay

[foxfire667]

Originally Posted by ReikonKeiri

too much rage itt. that's a fairly ad hominem post so I'm just gonna say I disagree with you and leave it at that. (i could get a fairly clean FC of vs boss battle I just havent got around to it. that file is abysmal. there is nothing I regret about my Pants score) I will say though that I don't care nearly as much as you do. If the guys in charge are taking a poll here count me down as 1 for combo scoring, but if FFR makes the change to raw scoring I'm not going to quit playing. Whatever happens, happens.

Any chance we could get a lag calibration feature? Offset isn't what I'm talking about, wondering if I'll ever be able to play FFR on my HD monitor that has about 20 ms delay

I wasn't really attacking you as a person, I was really getting at your usage of boos and combo scoring as a skill handicap. Either way, obviously neither of us are changing positions.

You are right, I do care about this a lot. I find combo scoring really defeats the purpose of trying to play accurately and skillfully (in the sense of hitting the arrows when you should be). I have always felt it was a serious flaw with the engine, and I hope it gets changed in the future.

On another note...
Are you sure it isn't just flat out game lag? I've never heard of the engine running fine but having a delay like that, but if it occurs then something should be done about it.

[Wayward Vagabond]

with a delay that big its a monitor issue. check to see if theres a gaming mode on the monitor. also are you using a tv or an actual monitor? whats the brand/model

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by ReikonKeiri

I'd have to replay all of them to get better raw score which would not be fun in the slightest. Those files hurt my hands.

So you're basically saying that, even though there are people who have more skill and can play these files more accurately and more easily than you can, you should have a better rank than them because you mashed through the file once and then forgot about it. Uh huh.

[bmah]

Originally Posted by ReikonKeiri

Any chance we could get a lag calibration feature? Offset isn't what I'm talking about, wondering if I'll ever be able to play FFR on my HD monitor that has about 20 ms delay

That doesn't sound like lag, but rather latency. If it's something like late input from your keyboard to the actual hitting of the arrows on the screen, then it's a hardware issue that you'll have to deal with yourself.

[ReikonKeiri]

It's a TV, some random insignia. There is no game mode, and there's ony enough delay to be noticable on rhythm games. Ill get like 100 goods on a song I could SDG.

and crying cause you missflagged a song and ffr says mashers are better than you is not a good argument imo. I've missflagged songs before to. It's not an occurence solely to plague the elite of FFR. If you can get 0-0-1-0 on a song and you can't get at least 2-0-0-2 the next play there's something wrong.

also this gathering opinion that I only like combo scoring because Im a masher is starting to get out of hand. I have over 1000 FCs and only have 6ish truly "mashed" FCs. Jeez, that has nothing to do with it.

edit: I used the term "lag calibration" because that's what it's called on Guitar Hero. I don't know how hard something like that would be to program, but I don't expect much since im probably the only person with this problem. the kb on my laptop is a bit better anyway so no worries.

[Wayward Vagabond]

it'll be noticable delay on any game that requires precision like shooters and rhythm games. most tvs nowadays come with an option to fix the latency issue somehow and if not then you can either get an actual computer monitor. use the offset. or get a tv that actually comes with a game mode which reduces the hz from 120 or whatever your tv runs at to 60

[ReikonKeiri]

It doesnt really affect shooters. The difference between an 80ms ping and a 100ms ping is unnoticable imo. Maybe cause I'm bad.

[foxfire667]

Originally Posted by ReikonKeiri

and crying cause you missflagged a song and ffr says mashers are better than you is not a good argument imo. I've missflagged songs before to. It's not an occurence solely to plague the elite of FFR. If you can get 0-0-1-0 on a song and you can't get at least 2-0-0-2 the next play there's something wrong.

also this gathering opinion that I only like combo scoring because Im a masher is starting to get out of hand. I have over 1000 FCs and only have 6ish truly "mashed" FCs. Jeez, that has nothing to do with it.

Crying is hardly the word for it, I was actually impressed I did so well on the file. The problem is that getting misses are such a severe punishment in FFR, than a miss-flag is actually considered a terrible run by the game. I don't get how you cannot comprehend that logically speaking, someone who gets a 0.0.1.0, should have a far superior rank than someone who merely mashed their way through a file. My best on that file is actually a 4.0.0.2, but I would MUCH rather see my 3 good CLEAN improvement on ERB be recognized as the superior score, because logically it IS the superior score.

So you say the reason why you like combo scoring is not related to mashing songs?* You have done a terrible job of showing that in your arguments so far. Okay, please defend combo scoring without mentioning something that would cause your rank to be affected by having to PA instead of mash files. I personally would like to hear why you think combo scoring is a better mechanism for determining the skills of a player than raw scoring.

*Grammar issue corrected by ReikonKeiri.

[ReikonKeiri]

I NEVER said it was better. Why is it so hard to believe that I like it because it's different?

Originally Posted by foxfire667

You don't like combo scoring because you are a masher?

I hope this is a typo or two because everything about this sentence is wrong.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

To me if your argument for combo scoring is anything rank related you're simply an air head with a knack for the game

I agree with fox fire that the idea that someone like myself who can mash 1300+ boos Ketsarku can score better than the person who actually bothered to try and scored say 23 0 1 0 is utterly ridiculous. The idea behind raw scoring is based on how well you can actually approach the chart rather than how you can approach not missing and maintaining an alright PA and occasionally get ****** lucked into aaaing it.

It's much more impressive that say someone like Reuben_Tate can get his godly PA scores on songs like Pandora with a miss or two, but my rank of a fully mashed score still beats it in the eyes of a mistaken way to score.

Combo is important, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor of improvement. The change in your score should be the best identifier as to how much your work has paid off and not simply how well you can keep conscious of shitty sections in songs.

My more than likely confusing two cents.

[foxfire667]

Originally Posted by ReikonKeiri

I NEVER said it was better. Why is it so hard to believe that I like it because it's different?

Seems rather silly keeping a scoring system that is clearly an improper way to gauge skill, just because it's different. You can like combo scoring for being different, but it shouldn't be kept because it is a bad way to rank people's results. A good example of this would be the various improvements FFR has made over the years to it's engine, such as speed mods, the average miss glitch fix, 3 frame perfect windows, or even custom key setups. I am genuinely happy that these sort of things were adapted into the engine, instead of disregarding them to be "different" from other rhythm games.

Originally Posted by ReikonKeiri

I hope this is a typo or two because everything about this sentence is wrong.

I suppose my sentence could have been misinterpreted as saying that you do not like combo scoring because you do mash. In reality it should have been more like this:
"So you say the reason why you like combo scoring is not related to mashing songs?"

I apologize and will correct my post. Although, since you brought up grammar and spelling, let's take a stab at your previous post shall we?

Originally Posted by ReikonKeiri

It's a TV, some random insignia. There is no game mode, and there's ony* enough delay to be noticable** on rhythm games. Ill*** get like 100 goods on a song I could SDG.

and**** crying cause*(5) you missflagged*(6) a song and ffr*(7) says mashers are better than you is not a good argument imo*(8). I've missflagged*(9) songs before to*(10). It's not an occurence*(11) solely to plague the elite of FFR. If you can get 0-0-1-0 on a song and you can't get at least 2-0-0-2 the next play there's something wrong.

also*(12) this gathering opinion that I only like combo scoring because Im*(13) a masher is starting to get out of hand. I have over 1000 FCs*(14) and*(15) only have 6ish truly "mashed" FCs*(16). Jeez, that has nothing to do with it.

edit: I used the term "lag calibration" because that's what it's called on Guitar Hero. I don't know how hard something like that would be to program, but I don't expect much since im*(17) probably the only person with this problem. the*(18) kb*(19) on my laptop is a bit better anyway so no worries.

*only
**noticeable
***I'll
****Starting a sentence with a preposition, and missing a capital. Revise to "Also, crying..."
*5: because
*6: miss flagged or miss-flagged
*7: FFR (abbreviations should always be capital)
*8: in my opinion (never use text lingo when being a grammar Nazi)
*9: miss flagged or miss-flagged
*10: too (also can replace it, therefore is not "to")
*11: occurrence
*12: Also
*13: I'm
*14: FC's
*15: Needs a comma before the word. Revise to "FC's, and..."
*16: FC's
*17: I'm
*18: The
*19: keyboard (never use text lingo when being a grammar Nazi)

You shouldn't try to use grammar and spelling as any sort of weight in your argument if you cannot use proper spelling or grammar yourself.

[Charu]

So what seems to be going on in thi- oh...

By the way, I'm all in for this combo scoring removal. I mean, I know it's been a part of this game since it started, but do we really need the rank to say person A who mashed a hard chart did better than person B who tried to be consistent on it?

Meh, everything that has been said is in the thread, no need to repeat.

btw: "...the engine, instead of..." A comma is not needed right there. <3 <3 <3

btw2: Just messing.

btw3: I use this size everywhere.

[justin_ator]

Kept quiet this whole time because I didn't feel it was worth it to post things that have already been said, but I would like to say I'm in favor of removing combo scoring.

[ReikonKeiri]

"Cannot" is a strong word. "Choose not" would be more appropriate. I'd be in poor shape if I couldn't use proper grammar in my college English class. That said spelling and grammar mistakes are a lot less serious than problems with sentence structure. I don't think any of my sentences could be misunderstood like that one. Regardless, I appreciate you changing it and I want you to know that was not meant to have anything to do with the debate. I was just curious what you meant. Also it should be noted that that post was typed from my iPad lol.

Also, I'm REALLY curious as to why it should be FC's and not FCs. I havent head of special cases for apostrophes that don't signal possession or a contraction in 21 years. Not calling you wrong, just wondering.

I'll cave here cause other than the next inevitable post from foxfire calling me an idiot I don't want to argue anymore. It's really a stretch to say I'm leaning either way on this issue. It's more like 51-49 in favor of combo scoring so if the mods like the idea, go for it. There's good things about both styles.

[popsicle_3000]

I've made a thread and poll for the scoring discussion. Probably better to move the discussion there
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=125847

[SKG_Scintill]

double charts for multiplayer

[FFR Pro 21]

I was thinking of a suggestion for the Top 100 AAAs page. How about adding a Top 100 Token AAAs list and a Top 100 Overall AAAs list?

[jprox445]

Don't know if this was ever mentioned in the past or if this is already possible but if not, would it be possible to have a new feature that would enable us to reclaim an accidentally deleted replay?

like say if you had the 5 digit code in the [replay] box maybe we could get them back? if we submitted them to a missing/deleted replay thread?