I've a question

[Travis_Flesher]

Maybe someone can answer this for me since I really don't know. Why are permissions necessary when you can just type 'download mp3' on a search engine and instantly get any song you want? Hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say here.

I comprehend how record labels own copyrights. I actually received a warning from my ISP for using p2p networks once (go figure). The question I'm trying to ask here is if the record labels are worried about copyrights then why is 16 million songs available simply by typing mp3 download? It's not like these song download sites are trying to hide they're right there in plain sight and not getting shut down. There's plugins on every browser to rip songs and vids right off a page but the browser execs receive no heat.

What is the price we have to pay here? Why is there literally hundreds of other sites that host millions of songs but not FlashFlashRevolution? Are you guys some grassroots organization that doesn't use big name copyrights or something? Frankly, the most mainstream thing I've played on FFR I think was a Weird Al song.

You guys need to stick up for yourselves and tell your boss's boss to tell your ISP when they come knocking to tell the record label that they won't be receiving royalties beacuse this is the internet for chrissakes and we've got a million terrabytes and a million other reasons to hold them in limbo until oblivion and what do they have? Nothing.

This is merely a question about internet service provider policies regionally and why some of them have backbones and some don't. I am very curious to know other peoples' opinions.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. -Sincerely, Travis Flesher

[TC_Halogen]

Typing "download mp3" into a search engine, more often than not, leads to either a site that hosts it with the artist's intent to gain a monetary profit, or a site that is illegally hosting the music. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, nor do is it make it correct to do.

There are artists who have supplied permission to create content under the contingency that their audio files cannot be downloaded. What you're suggesting doesn't quite fall into this though, but is slightly correlative: FFR doesn't have the appropriate licenses to use these songs that can be found using a brief "download mp3" search, and are liable to get into trouble for hosting content that they do not own. Typically, this starts in the form of a DMCA takedown notice, but can be a bit more extreme with repeated infractions, if my memory serves me correctly.

You can't just say "hey, we don't give a shit that you want this taken down, this is the internet." It simply doesn't work that way.

[MinaciousGrace]

you have given me the courage i needed to go downstairs and eat ice cream for breakfast

[pedolad]

lmao its not an opinion its the law dude

[Buta-san]

Originally Posted by Travis_Flesher

P.S. I would prefer a response from someone other than TC_Halogen since I think he is very biased towards me because I called him a "botter" two years ago. This is merely a question about internet service provider policies regionally and why some of them have backbones and some don't. I am very curious to know other peoples' opinions.

Typing "download mp3" into a search engine, more often than not, leads to either a site that hosts it with the artist's intent to gain a monetary profit, or a site that is illegally hosting the music. Just because you can doesn't mean you should, nor do is it make it correct to do.

There are artists who have supplied permission to create content under the contingency that their audio files cannot be downloaded. What you're suggesting doesn't quite fall into this though, but is slightly correlative: FFR doesn't have the appropriate licenses to use these songs that can be found using a brief "download mp3" search, and are liable to get into trouble for hosting content that they do not own. Typically, this starts in the form of a DMCA takedown notice, but can be a bit more extreme with repeated infractions, if my memory serves me correctly.

You can't just say "hey, we don't give a shit that you want this taken down, this is the internet." It simply doesn't work that way.

[MinaciousGrace]

cookies and cream bitches

[Azpb Djbread]

lol minacious

[pedolad]

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace

cookies and cream bitches

Sea salt carmel

[Dinglesberry]

I think he's arguing we pull some pirate bay shit and go host the server in Lithuania or something and say givashit to the police

A very terrible idea, but theoretically you could i guess?

[SpaceGorilla]

screw ice cream i'm getting some fried chicken mf

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by Travis_Flesher

Maybe someone can answer this for me since I really don't know. Why are permissions necessary when you can just type 'download mp3' on a search engine and instantly get any song you want? Hopefully you understand what I'm trying to say here.

I comprehend how record labels own copyrights. I actually received a warning from my ISP for using p2p networks once (go figure). The question I'm trying to ask here is if the record labels are worried about copyrights then why is 16 million songs available simply by typing mp3 download? It's not like these song download sites are trying to hide they're right there in plain sight and not getting shut down. There's plugins on every browser to rip songs and vids right off a page but the browser execs receive no heat.

What is the price we have to pay here? Why is there literally hundreds of other sites that host millions of songs but not FlashFlashRevolution? Are you guys some grassroots organization that doesn't use big name copyrights or something? Frankly, the most mainstream thing I've played on FFR I think was a Weird Al song.

You guys need to stick up for yourselves and tell your boss's boss to tell your ISP when they come knocking to tell the record label that they won't be receiving royalties beacuse this is the internet for chrissakes and we've got a million terrabytes and a million other reasons to hold them in limbo until oblivion and what do they have? Nothing.

Thank you for taking the time to read this. -Sincerely, Travis Flesher

P.S. I would prefer a response from someone other than TC_Halogen since I think he is very biased towards me because I called him a "botter" two years ago. This is merely a question about internet service provider policies regionally and why some of them have backbones and some don't. I am very curious to know other peoples' opinions.

Yes, they do get shut down, especially when they get really big. Not all of them get shut down because so many of them are so small and not worth the legal efforts. If FFR used artists' music without their permission, they could receive takedown requests and be forced to remove the files from game, resulting in loss of scores and unhappiness from the players and and steppers because of all the time they lost.

This has already happened on a large scale with osu!, and in fact has happened a few times for individual files on FFR when permissions were incorrect, unclear, or rescinded. If FFR violated artists' rights to their music on a large scale, it could also face legal suit which would ruin the website.

[Travis_Flesher]

The domain name flashflashrevolution.com is owned by whom? What ISP does the main server use? When the mole at the record label finds a warnerbrothers song on a site then tracks the ISP threatening them to remove the content or legal action will be taken why don't the genius techies just call their bluff? At this point, we nerds of the internet are some of the most valuable resources it is time for revolution. I don't think Strom Thurmond knows his way around a PC. What are they going to do if this goes all the way? What record labels are always wanting a handout and which appreciate the beauty of freedom?

Discuss.

[portalbob340]

Originally Posted by Travis_Flesher

The domain name flashflashrevolution.com is owned by whom? What ISP does the main server use? When the mole at the record label finds a warnerbrothers song on a site then tracks the ISP threatening them to remove the content or legal action will be taken why don't the genius techies just call their bluff? At this point, we nerds of the internet are some of the most valuable resources it is time for revolution. I don't think Strom Thurmond knows his way around a PC. What are they going to do if this goes all the way? What record labels are always wanting a handout and which appreciate the beauty of freedom?

Discuss.

Or we could just not do technically illegal things and instead enjoy the permissions we have for FFR already.

[Travis_Flesher]

Originally Posted by Dinglesberry

I think he's arguing we pull some pirate bay shit and go host the server in Lithuania or something

that's what i would do. just transfer all the data to my computer because I'm smarter than a room full of lawyers.
I don't think any of that underground music ninja stuff will be happening but this is interesting to talk about nonetheless.

[lurker]

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace

cookies and cream bitches

probably top 3 ice cream flavors to eat for breakfast if i had to guess

[Shikari]

Back in the days, FFR used to make money with the game, via subscriptions. You can't have an org making money with other people's work, especially musical artists.

[Travis_Flesher]

The copyright sniffers send letters to the internet service providers requesting that they remove content or legal action will be taken. But what legal action is taken? If the internet freedom fighters took a stand it's not as if physical harm will be done to them. The worse case scenario is that a militia comes and basically rips the cords out of your computer but cmon folks if we all united together we are smarter than them. They need us dude don't you understand?

[Mourningfall]

Originally Posted by Travis_Flesher

I'm smarter than a room full of lawyers.

you're gonna have to have a little more specificity in your diet if you wanna flex your intellect duder

how big is the room?

how big are the lawyers?

what area of law are they practicing?

we need to know these things if we're ever going to get an accurate delineation of your intelligence

Originally Posted by Travis_Flesher

They need us dude don't you understand?

I don't understand, but I like fairy tales so tell me more about internet freedom fighters and derogation of law

[XelNya]

I'm pretty happy that now days, if I want an album of music, I can listen to it on like youtube (not through red or their shit music app) before I buy it. Or, if I can't afford to get it, I can again, listen to it another way that some-what supports the artist.

We live in an age where honestly, unless you have a shit data-plan you don't really NEED to download music illegally.

Even if it's a hell of a lot more convenient / less annoying to do so. (Because seriously, fuck ads.)

What's more concerning is the cost of good internet and mobile data plans before they start slowing your connection down despite the fact you / your family pay for UNLIMITED use of the data.

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by XelNya

We live in an age where honestly, unless you have a shit data-plan you don't really NEED to download music illegally.

Or if you actually listen to a lot of music and aren't obscenely rich.