FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer?

LordCarlos · 02-28-2015, 12:35 AM

I'm looking for someone who has experience changing between FFR and DDR. I'm interested in buying a used DDR set and pad (any recommendations? I'm shooting for less than $50), but I wonder if any skill from FFR will transfer to DDR.

Is it a large amount of skill transfer FFR -> DDR, or very little?
How about DDR -> FFR?

Candor · 02-28-2015, 12:46 AM

ffr -> ddr = lots
ddr -> ffr = none unless you get like...... really really good

**PhantomPuppy** · 02-28-2015, 12:50 AM

hmm, i wonder if that would actually transfer skill from ffr to ddr lol. especially if you use 4 finger spread instead of 1 hand for original arrow placements/judgements.

edit: unless youve already tested that candor?

EzExZeRo7497 · 02-28-2015, 12:55 AM

DDR/ITG/PIU tests lower arm strength (if you're playing with a bar) and calf strength (raising your legs to hit notes). FFR/SM/other VSRGs with a keyboard tests finger strength, wrist strength and to a very small extent, forearm strength. You can connect the dots.

You'll be able to read better in DDR if you played a VSRG (like FFR) if you were significantly better at it, since you are able to read patterns a lot better. You'll only be able to recognise patterns significantly easier if you play index at a semi-high level. That's about it.

**clasko1000** · 02-28-2015, 12:56 AM

Ehh, i found that after being able to play 230 stream on a keyboard, 170 stream on a pad is easier to read. Its still hard for me to play on a pad, but it can help with reading of notes. You still need to move your feet.

"ddr -> ffr = none unless you get like...... really really good"

**Hakulyte** · 02-28-2015, 01:37 AM

I fail standard charts on DDR so, not at all. Same concept, but no direct correlation. Only similarities.

**kmay** · 02-28-2015, 07:01 AM

its also very cardiovascular until you learn to how actually play and hit the innermost part of the arrows. which i have some trouble with after all these years of playing. when i get tired is when i start losing that ability lol

as for reading ability. you won't have any. you'll want a faster scroll rate on the game because of how you play this but you dont have the same muscle memory and reaction time as you would with FFR so you have to slow it down and its just a mess.

**MarcusHawkins** · 02-28-2015, 09:13 AM

I went well from DDR --> FFR, and am currently in D4, as well as constantly improving!
Technically it's DDR --> looking for a DDR keyboard game online --> StepMania --> FFR, but what's the difference in reality?

EDIT: Also, in DDR, I can now pass 10-footers (old difficulty scale) with some being an A! (ones with As include MAX 300, Paranoia Survivor 270, and Crazy Love!)
EDIT 2: You gotta play til you pass out in order for this skill to accomplish; as in FFR, you gotta play til your fingers can't move faster, as I'm still improving in that skill!

LordCarlos · 02-28-2015, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmay

as for reading ability. you won't have any. its just a mess.

Hm. I'm getting some mixed answers here. Well thanks, everyone. I bought Dance Dance Revolution II for Wii for only $20 with the pad included, what a bargain!

Just throwing another question, how do you get a "level" icon at the bottom? Some people have "Level 70" at the bottom -- how do you qualify for that.

**Meatyguy** · 02-28-2015, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordCarlos

Hm. I'm getting some mixed answers here. Well thanks, everyone. I bought Dance Dance Revolution II for Wii for only $20 with the pad included, what a bargain!

Just throwing another question, how do you get a "level" icon at the bottom? Some people have "Level 70" at the bottom -- how do you qualify for that.

Oh god ew.... never played the Wii titles but, those are a good start as they are the easier DDRs (well, maybe not the wiimote gimmick but normal charts should be easier). I'd suggest grabbing a PS2 and finding all of those if you can. TONS of different files for you to go through and you should be able to get a cheap pad almost anywhere. Also, beware of the differences between home pad and arcade. I LOVE playing in the arcade, but those soft pads for home are terrible and, you're able to just glide your feet so you usually do better from home.

But, as others have said, I find reading charts is a lot easier when I go from FFR to ITG/DDR/PIU but, the physical part is something that you just have to keep doing over and over again. Your accuracy may go up as well. Mine seemed to when I went back to ITG on my computer when playing with keyboard.

Good luck!

**Mourningfall** · 02-28-2015, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordCarlos

Just throwing another question, how do you get a "level" icon at the bottom? Some people have "Level 70" at the bottom -- how do you qualify for that.

Here you go~

Code:

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/profiles/beta_rpg_exp.php?type=badge&userid=1894952

It should automatically keep itself updated as you accumulate GT

**kmay** · 02-28-2015, 05:15 PM

you can read the arrows but not with your feet, with your hands. reading ability is all about muscle memory as well. which you won't have playing DDR for the first few months most likely.

**Kagome** · 02-28-2015, 10:41 PM

The only thing FFR did for me was being able to play DDR/ITG at higher scroll speeds.

**dragonmegaXX** · 03-1-2015, 11:31 PM

If you're playing on the foam mat that they include with the console DDR games, there isn't really much that can help you.

I doubt anyone can score well on anything DDR level 6 or above on those things.

Wayward Vagabond · 03-2-2015, 03:22 AM

i AAd some 8/9s on ddr extreme 2 for the ps2 on a foam pad

LordCarlos · 03-2-2015, 06:10 AM

Should I get a "Non-slip" pad? They cost like $80 or something.

**kmay** · 03-2-2015, 06:28 AM

a metal pad lol

**Kawaii025** · 03-2-2015, 08:57 AM

From personal experience, FFR has helped me to read and time notes on some DDR charts. Granted, the best I can play is Difficult on DDR, I can tell I've been improving. (I'm also exercising more, so...yay for more stamina)

If you're looking for a pad, this is the one I have. DDR Pad

I've used it on carpet and tile and the pad doesn't slip around while playing and doesn't bunch up. It responds pretty good as well. I've had it for about 4yrs now and it's still in excellent condition. I think it's worth the price.

**Reincarnate** · 03-2-2015, 10:29 AM

I'd say regardless of which one you start out with, both of them help in terms of actually being able to read the notes.

However, they both rely on different muscle memories (feet vs. hands/fingers), so one won't always translate to the other when it comes to execution.

NeoMaxx69 · 03-2-2015, 11:46 AM

I went from DDR to FFR. I was able to do most charts that weren't spread files right away at that time.

Another thing is that playing stepmania/ffr made reading patterns/rhythms for ddr/itg a lot easier and actually helped me get better over time. Currently I'm at the point where I can sustain 310bpm streams on index (64+ measures) and have done at least 12 measures of 300bpm stream on foot.

02-28-2015, 12:35 AM	#1
LordCarlos FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2014 Age: 35 Posts: 52	FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? I'm looking for someone who has experience changing between FFR and DDR. I'm interested in buying a used DDR set and pad (any recommendations? I'm shooting for less than $50), but I wonder if any skill from FFR will transfer to DDR. Is it a large amount of skill transfer FFR -> DDR, or very little? How about DDR -> FFR?

02-28-2015, 12:46 AM	#2
Candor FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 266	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? ffr -> ddr = lots ddr -> ffr = none unless you get like...... really really good

02-28-2015, 12:55 AM	#4
EzExZeRo7497 ⠀ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Singapore, SG Age: 26 Posts: 6,858	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? DDR/ITG/PIU tests lower arm strength (if you're playing with a bar) and calf strength (raising your legs to hit notes). FFR/SM/other VSRGs with a keyboard tests finger strength, wrist strength and to a very small extent, forearm strength. You can connect the dots. You'll be able to read better in DDR if you played a VSRG (like FFR) if you were significantly better at it, since you are able to read patterns a lot better. You'll only be able to recognise patterns significantly easier if you play index at a semi-high level. That's about it. Last edited by EzExZeRo7497; 02-28-2015 at 12:59 AM..

02-28-2015, 01:37 AM	#6
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,519	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? I fail standard charts on DDR so, not at all. Same concept, but no direct correlation. Only similarities. Last edited by Hakulyte; 02-28-2015 at 01:37 AM..

02-28-2015, 07:01 AM	#7
kmay Don't forget me Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 6,491	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? its also very cardiovascular until you learn to how actually play and hit the innermost part of the arrows. which i have some trouble with after all these years of playing. when i get tired is when i start losing that ability lol as for reading ability. you won't have any. you'll want a faster scroll rate on the game because of how you play this but you dont have the same muscle memory and reaction time as you would with FFR so you have to slow it down and its just a mess. __________________

02-28-2015, 05:15 PM	#12
kmay Don't forget me Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 6,491	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? you can read the arrows but not with your feet, with your hands. reading ability is all about muscle memory as well. which you won't have playing DDR for the first few months most likely. __________________

02-28-2015, 10:41 PM	#13
Kagome Pop'n Music. Join Date: May 2003 Location: California. Age: 36 Posts: 1,313	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? The only thing FFR did for me was being able to play DDR/ITG at higher scroll speeds.

03-1-2015, 11:31 PM	#14
dragonmegaXX ITG playing fur Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,660	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? If you're playing on the foam mat that they include with the console DDR games, there isn't really much that can help you. I doubt anyone can score well on anything DDR level 6 or above on those things. __________________

03-2-2015, 03:22 AM	#15
Wayward Vagabond Confirmed Heartbreaker Join Date: Jul 2012 Age: 35 Posts: 5,858	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? i AAd some 8/9s on ddr extreme 2 for the ps2 on a foam pad __________________

03-2-2015, 06:10 AM	#16
LordCarlos FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2014 Age: 35 Posts: 52	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? Should I get a "Non-slip" pad? They cost like $80 or something.

03-2-2015, 06:28 AM	#17
kmay Don't forget me Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 6,491	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? a metal pad lol __________________

03-2-2015, 08:57 AM	#18
Kawaii025 Fake D4 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Ten-ah-c Posts: 1,398	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? From personal experience, FFR has helped me to read and time notes on some DDR charts. Granted, the best I can play is Difficult on DDR, I can tell I've been improving. (I'm also exercising more, so...yay for more stamina) If you're looking for a pad, this is the one I have. DDR Pad I've used it on carpet and tile and the pad doesn't slip around while playing and doesn't bunch up. It responds pretty good as well. I've had it for about 4yrs now and it's still in excellent condition. I think it's worth the price. __________________ My List of FFR Tournaments Pre-10/16/16 Highest AAA: Connect (HOUSE SOUL REMIX) & Case Closed (54) Highest Blackflag: Survive (60) Highest FC: Challenge the final mission! (68) Highest SDG: The Fusion (63) Otaku Speedvibe [Heavy] unlocked 03/04/15 - On The Origin of Species (Evolution) (50) Highest AAA:Case Closed (58) Highest Blackflag: Survive (58) Highest Booflag: Fill Me Up With Snacky Happiness & Suit Up (55) Highest FC: Challenge the final mission! (72) Highest SDG: The Fusion (67)

03-2-2015, 10:29 AM	#19
Reincarnate x'); DROP TABLE FFR;-- Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 6,332	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? I'd say regardless of which one you start out with, both of them help in terms of actually being able to read the notes. However, they both rely on different muscle memories (feet vs. hands/fingers), so one won't always translate to the other when it comes to execution.

03-2-2015, 11:46 AM	#20
NeoMaxx69 Bad at spread Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vancouver Age: 31 Posts: 424	Re: FFR <-> DDR Skill Transfer? I went from DDR to FFR. I was able to do most charts that weren't spread files right away at that time. Another thing is that playing stepmania/ffr made reading patterns/rhythms for ddr/itg a lot easier and actually helped me get better over time. Currently I'm at the point where I can sustain 310bpm streams on index (64+ measures) and have done at least 12 measures of 300bpm stream on foot. __________________

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