TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me - Game Thread

[Hakulyte]

Raeko falls under the category of "Nothing really got resolved, but nothing really happened either". She's heavily reliant on tone reads and I feel like there's not much I can do about her unless something like a slip happens or that she decides to invest more time into finding anything worth talking about.

I'm more interested into solving my world than her. I have a hard time understanding what's the wolf team if she's in one.

So, I'm done with her as for myself.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Charu

Almost missed this because holy shit, I'm actually really mad right now.

This is easy.

First you say "I got wolfy vibes" and then don't explain, and wait and see what happens while going "oh, I don't know, but I like Tokzic's roleplay, and hey, everyone saying this isn't fun, we gotta make it fun!"

Then be kind of not there next phase, keep going with "Getting wolfy vibes from this dude." and don't really pair or think of any connections he could have. Knowing you didn't have these points, when EoD occurred, you kept on shouting "Kill thesunfan" with no connections still because you didn't want to paint your partners.

Now it's this phase, and guess what, you're still doing it, because you know making connections at this point is detrimental to your partners.

Her voting patterns are not very logical unless she's a wolf with me. jsayin'

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Her voting patterns are not very logical unless she's a wolf with me. jsayin'

No

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Charu

No

*sigh*

I said I was done with him, what am I doing...

Fine, explain why you would most likely be paired with mellon for me if mellon is a wolf.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Charu

*sigh*

I said I was done with him, what am I doing...

Fine, explain why you would most likely be paired with mellon for me if mellon is a wolf.

We both voted Sunfan D0.
We both voted Charu D1.

That's it.

[Charu]

Truly? No other reason? No other connection?

Just the desire to vote for someone?

[Hakulyte]

We also both play in a very similar way so, it's easy to synchronize our votes in a legit manner.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

We also both play in a very similar way so, it's easy to synchronize our votes in a legit manner.

Similarly how?

[Hakulyte]

I'm not talking about self-meta here, but how we're approaching our reads in general.

[Charu]

So why do you think your stubborn stance with her stubborn stance connect?

[Hakulyte]

I also had "Sunfan bad vibes". It all started from Gradiant/Sunfan interactions early game.

Sunfan's reaction to what I've been doing left me confused.

Posts like these:

#186, #241, #244

There's even one from you! #243

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Charu

So why do you think your stubborn stance with her stubborn stance connect?

She's pretty much on a Sunfan tunnel while I'm fixated on 3 players which is probably another tier of ridiculous.

I do think it's similar.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

There's even one from you! #243

Can't speak for Gradiant's mind since I'm not him, but my own quote here was due to poking fun at him last game where his partner said "I think" after he finished making a big post about something or another.

Totally different context here, buddy.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

She's pretty much on a Sunfan tunnel while I'm fixated on 3 players which is probably another tier of ridiculous.

I do think it's similar.

But why do they connect?

Besides the desire to vote for a player, what's making you go "if mellon is wolf, then I should be her partner too."

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Charu

But why do they connect?

Besides the desire to vote for a player, what's making you go "if mellon is wolf, then I should be her partner too."

Her game seems incredibly connected to mine. It's almost the same as if I was given a 2nd vote for free. She had no problem town reading me incredibly fast based on actions as well.

It's reminds me of 3 players that I'm going to keep anonymous.

This is not strange to you at all?

[Hakulyte]

Boring.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Boring.

Whatever.

Charu

Take me out of this shitty game, I'm closing this window.

[Wineandbread]

Some catchup comments:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

If you think haku is a wolf atm your out of your god damn mind

In willing to give haku the benefit of the doubt for one phase because his thinking aligns with mine enough that I feel like there's something there.

I'd rather not have the person be sunfan though because it of all the people you suspect I feel like he's the we weakest link. Him going to l-1 makes me think the wolves were not on the wagon, and that he isn't a wolf himself or they would've hammered.

What do you think about that?

Do you mean the weakest link of the wolves? I'm not sure about your language here.

Originally Posted by YoshL

popping in to say 2 things

raeko still top lynch because she hasn't done anything to alleviate any concerns earlier

talking about replacing out is quite literally the worst thing you can ever do imo.

I agree that the time of this post, she didn't really do anything to help herself (st. patrick's day stuff). But I don't like that he isn't adding anything else. You'd lynch rb potentially based on what you were saying with freezin's scenario right? What about your 3rd lean?

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

I will help you tomorrow when I'm not drunk

HAPPY ST PATRICKS DAY TO ALL INCLUDING WOLVES EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE MEANIES YOU STILL DESERVE TO GET DRUNK

Controversial opinion: st. patrick's day sux (o:
One time in middle school I got pinched so hard I was bleeding, so maybe I have ptsd

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

k im going to try to lead today since wineandbread whos consensus townread is having personal issues (i think?) that are affecting his investment in the game and i would like clear directions for the lynch to go

FIRST OF ALL IF YOU HAVNT ALREADY ANSWERED THIS POST PLEASE DO SO

Heres the results so faR:

Roundbox: Yoshl > Charu
Hakulyte: Lito = Charu
Charu: Roundbox > Yoshl
Litodude: Roundbox > Yoshl
Sunfan: Lito = Yoshl
Wineandbread: Yoshl = Roundbox

PEOPLE WHO HAVNT ANSWERED: Mello, Yoshl

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so from that i will give 3 points to first place, 1 point to second place and lower, and if theres a tie its 2 points each.

Yoshl = 9 Points
Charu = 3 Points
Lito = 4 Points
Roundbox = 8 Points

Keep in mind these numbers are not final till i get all the results from everyone. But at the moment theres a clear hierarchy between first and second place groups

TIER 1 SUSPICION: Yoshl and Roundbox
TIER 2 SUSPICION: Lito and Charu

So stepping away from this for a moment, we have 4 schools of thought about lynches

School one: Kill mello first and leave everyone else till later
School one population: Charu, Yoshl, Litodude (Part Time)

School two: Kill between Sunfan/Litodude/YoshL
School two population: Hakulyte

School three: Kill sunfan
School three population: Mello, Litodude (Part Time)

School four: Open minded evaluation or noncomittal to the other 3 schools
School four population: Wineandbread, sunfan, roundbox.

Posting this as a part one with a follow up to come

Originally Posted by roundbox

I don't think you understand the fact that the + and - came from shado posting a positive reflection or a negative reflection over a player

this is not a MAJORITY thing
this is just SHADO'S opinion

I tried telling you this earlier but you sidetracked it by asking me about lito and PR hunting
pls

It still doesn't really change the fact that it's not really your own reads.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

this is where im feeling the blindreper from you.

it seems like you only have one solid scumlean at the moment and your not willing to move off them to the people youve been blindrepering (yoshl and lito).

I'm not exactly sure what this means, can you expand? From context it seems like you mean like, ignore other potential wolves because of a tunnel?

Originally Posted by thesunfan

oh you mean that one
yeah I think raeko is a wolf

Can I get an updated read list from you? So you think raeko could be the only wolf on your wagon at the time?

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

the consensus lynch pool atm is yoshl / roundbox / mello

i just want people on the record and voting people they should be from their progression.

so they can be pressured next day to follow up on reads.

one thing sunfan has going for him is his progression on raeko is clean as hell. smooth as butter. you get the idea

Consensus from who? Haku has none of those targets. I feel like primary scum yoshl has only really been coming from me. I wasn't willing to vote mello before but I am now, though atm I'm thinking between sunfan and mellon

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

This game is the result of what I learned from that game. I realized that relying on others is easily one of my biggest weaknesses.

I have to find my own answer and I also have to check out what the others are thinking as well and impose what I believe is right if I think I'm more likely to get a hit.

If another world expose flaws in mine, I also have to consider it. Anything like "you're wrong/your theory is stupid etc." is going to be automatically rejected.

Even if you say that "I'm right", I may end up asking you why you think so because I want to see if I'm getting sheeped or something.

How stubborn I've been acting this game is in direct correlation with how much I believe I'm right.

If I can't get exposed to something that will change my views, I have to learn to say no and keep pushing my world.

So, I'm tryharding independantly just to see what comes out of it. I'm very curious to see how it will end.

I'm gonna bring this up later

Originally Posted by Charu

Alright, I was under the impression that you somehow finally are seeing other worlds.

I still stand by, as well as others have already stated, that I will vote for mellon. If she does make a reads, I already said its a little bit too late. I'm sure she's got valid "rl" stuff, but that doesn't excuse for what I've seen her do this game.

Same with roundbox, I'm sure he also has valid "rl" stuff, but he's been super aggressive to anyone that even hints at reading him wolf. I know he can be aggressive, but my word he's been SUPER aggressive this game than any other game where people call him a wolf.

Last wolf is now a toss up between Freezin and YoshL. Though if I want to be honest, it's most likely Freezin due to Freezin's lack of attacking both and Freezin's effort posting as of late as he sees everyone turning their gears towards them.

Has rb been that aggressive against people calling him out?

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

My entire game is a test. A very hard test in fact. Winning with me is the ultimate test and glory shall go to the players who can carry me out of my despair.

See my post later

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

...
Have you tried playing in the very exact same way as me to see how it goes?

...

xd

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

OK, Toyosatomimi-chan then? ^^

What do you mean "soft role playing"??? I can only be myself!!

Toyosatomimi-chan, I think you and I could be best friends~ I can't imagine you pretending to be so nice and understand toward me ("pocketing" but I can't fit in your pocket!!!) if you were a dirty sinner. I think we are on the same side and we should work together as best we can!

idk I felt kinda grossed out by this post, in a pocketing sort of way

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

WOLF FOR SURE: SUNFAN
PROBS WOLF: CHARU, LITO
????: BOXY BOY

TOWN CIRCLE: HAKU FREEZIN WAB

We all know your arguments on sunfan. Why Charu and lito?
Also this is the same readlist as Haku, who you are conveniently getting comfortable with. :thonking:

Originally Posted by Charu

Almost missed this because holy shit, I'm actually really mad right now.

This is easy.

First you say "I got wolfy vibes" and then don't explain, and wait and see what happens while going "oh, I don't know, but I like Tokzic's roleplay, and hey, everyone saying this isn't fun, we gotta make it fun!"

Then be kind of not there next phase, keep going with "Getting wolfy vibes from this dude." and don't really pair or think of any connections he could have. Knowing you didn't have these points, when EoD occurred, you kept on shouting "Kill thesunfan" with no connections still because you didn't want to paint your partners.

Now it's this phase, and guess what, you're still doing it, because you know making connections at this point is detrimental to your partners.

This makes a lot of sense to me.

Haku: Roleplay aside, he's probably town. I don't think many people are going to refute it at this point. Also I don't want to hear stuff like "everything is a test", that's precisely the kind of stuff that makes people hurl insults at you. I have more to say regarding your playstyle but I'll leave it for post-game. The tl;dr version is, don't expect cooperation if you aren't prepared to give it yourself. (see one of the posts I quoted in the multiquote)

I'm liking freezin more with his exchanges with sunfan and Haku. I think he is asking good questions and really trying to understand the game.

mellon's probably busy doing whatever she's doing but from her few posts her she is not as likeable as town for me now. She is being too buddy-buddy with Haku, pretty much 'takes' his wolfreads. What about Charu and lito make you think they're scummy? Looks much worse for her than before to me.

I haven't really felt rb's presence today. His most impactful post was parroting shado from the perspective of a confirmed town, which I had issues with from before. This makes me feel skeptical because it's as though he cannot form his own view on the game (though, he did express frustration with how he was reading the game before). Also regarding Charu's "aggresive roundbox" comment, here's a test: roundbox

yoshl has basically just popped in and out to say mostly inconsequential things which I don't like. He's not really moving the game forward. I agreed with his post in #3874 though.

I'd like to see a revised readlist from sunfan but overall he's playing better today

On the whole I feel good about Charu, I've liked the points he made. This is a bit of a lazy read but I definitely don't want to see him lynched

lito... I'm not sure really what to think of lito. At the very least, he shouldn't get lynched today. I'm gonna move him closer to null though after thinking about the PR discussion.

Among lynch targets, I think yoshl/roundbox/mellon/sunfan are my preference, in roughly descending order.

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I need to leave for some activities but I'll be reading on phone, should be around eod.

[AragakiAyase]

Votes from post 3090 to post 4038
Night in 9:11:22
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 2 -- thesunfan -- FreezinIce (103), mellonxcollie (43)
• 2 -- mellonxcollie -- YoshL (32), roundbox (38)
• 1 -- Charu -- Charu (166)
• 1 -- roundbox -- Wineandbread (16)
• 2 -- unvote -- Litodude (121), Hakulyte (338)
• 1 -- not voting -- thesunfan (90)

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Her game seems incredibly connected to mine. It's almost the same as if I was given a 2nd vote for free. She had no problem town reading me incredibly fast based on actions as well.

K listen. You're not going to just get a 2nd vote for free from me, just because we agree, it has NOTHING to do with you I came to these conclusions ON MY OWN

we are trying to solve the same game

If we have similar thoughts that might mean we are correct, at the very least, there should be some overlap somewhere if we are AT ALL correct

to win the game as a town player you need to get some sort of town circle forming. I think you're town and I don't want to allow the wolves to influence me in thinking my top town isn't if you get what I'm saying