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Having more frequent events would help update people's level ranks too so they end up with scores reflecting their skill more often. Let's face it, intentionally or not, most people play casually 10 months out of the year and then try-hard for prizes, people are bound to be under placed by our system. Especially with more and more players coming from other games like Osu and Etterna. I'm not saying my suggestion will fix sandbagging (intentional or not) in principle, but at least they'd be getting bumped up more often. And when it's only 1 month until the next event, it's not so bad.
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Old 09-28-2019, 10:59 PM   #782
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Sorry I didn't see the response I was typing an addendum. Its true we can't appease everyone. If the current once a year mega tournament style is more popular, then sure. If people don't like change, then I don't think that leaves much room for them to critique the current system.
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Did you read my reply?

Doing monthly OT's would be excessive but I'd wanted to do seasonal OT's which I'd posted about and like I'd already mentioned people were not fond of the in-game content deal of things.

There's also and has been for a LONG time the ability for users to get official backing for their events to where they can have tokens as prizes. No one takes advantage of this and that's out of my control.

Edit: welp my post came after you posted again so answered my own question there.
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Old 09-28-2019, 11:01 PM   #784
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Having more frequent events would help update people's level ranks too so they end up with scores reflecting their skill more often. Let's face it, intentionally or not, most people play casually 10 months out of the year and then try-hard for prizes, people are bound to be under placed by our system. Especially with more and more players coming from other games like Osu and Etterna. I'm not saying my suggestion will fix sandbagging (intentional or not) in principle, but at least they'd be getting bumped up more often. And when it's only 1 month until the next event, it's not so bad.
Honestly I think the placements were pretty much spot on this year. There were a few adjustments made afterwards, but those were done early in the tournament. Any outliers that are more active on osumania/Etterna likely would still be outliers even if there is a monthly tournament setup.

And of course you will always have a few people that skillboost a full division or so in the course of a tournament.

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Old 09-28-2019, 11:09 PM   #785
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I just learned about prizes, thought it was only credits and ramen for 4th rofl.

May I ask why d8 gets all event tokens ? Seems a bit unfair tbh; they get a user color already. Giving each D8 player like 1 token would be more legit, and keeping the top 3 rule. Idk what others think but yeah, maybe tone it down a little ?
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Honestly I think the placements were pretty much spot on this year. There were a few adjustments made afterwards, but those were done early in the tournament. Any outliers that are more active on osumania/Etterna likely would still be outliers even if there is a monthly tournament setup.

And of course you will always have a few people that skillboost a full division or so in the course of a tournament.
Let me reiterate: I'm not criticizing the placements themselves. We place people to the best of our knowledge with the scores they have. I even admit that more frequent events doesn't fix sandbagging outright.

What I am saying, is the placements are based on scoring data, and unless you're one of the few that grind out scores for fun, most scores are casual - therefore those players that tend to play casually and only grind for events will always be underrated. Having more official events will theoretically have people "try-hard" (god I hate that term) more often and make their ranks more reflective of their current speed and skill.
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I just learned about prizes, thought it was only credits and ramen for 4th rofl.

May I ask why d8 gets all event tokens ? Seems a bit unfair tbh; they get a user color already. Giving each D8 player like 1 token would be more legit, and keeping the top 3 rule. Idk what others think but yeah, maybe tone it down a little ?
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Ah wow, I guess I learned something. Didnt know that was a thing, even though that's probably how I got the current ones. Still sounds a bit silly imo but oh well
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I just learned about prizes, thought it was only credits and ramen for 4th rofl.

May I ask why d8 gets all event tokens ? Seems a bit unfair tbh; they get a user color already. Giving each D8 player like 1 token would be more legit, and keeping the top 3 rule. Idk what others think but yeah, maybe tone it down a little ?
This is where I'm going to die a little inside and laugh out loud at the same time considering the given situation right now. Rob mentioned how he felt D8 should just get all the tokens at that point for reaching the top of the top and that people were just in it for the competition anyway.

But yes, it's one of those hey you've managed to get this freaking far have it all!
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Ah wow, I guess I learned something. Didnt know that was a thing, even though that's probably how I got the current ones. Still sounds a bit silly imo but oh well
It's also worth noting that this was not exclusive to the 11th Official Tournament - this has been around since the 8th OT. This is the 5th tournament where everything has been unlocked for those who are a part of the top division of the game.
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I mean I honestly don't mind much (only for completionist but that's irrelevant), I just thought that saving these tokens for events would give some incentive to d8 to participate to other, smaller events too. It's probably not quite true though if the tokens arent like 100+ anyway. But yeah if it was like that already, I suppose changing it would also be somewhat unfair.

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I want to say again though that I am greatful for all the time put in to running this tournament - from the batch process to the placements, uploading new content, and even the previews. There was a lot of hype this year and it's nice to see around the game.
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Yeah, on the same note as SaxRunner, I want to say in midst of all this conflict that this tourney has been really run and hype. This is my first FFR tournament and it's been quite an awesome experience so far and is pushing me to improve a ton. Until a few months ago, I've played literally zero js — only index files or normal files with the "no jumps" mod on. Since around the time the tourney was announced, I've been grinding to improve past the point I had been stuck at for years (aka learning how to js and stream past 210 lol) and I'm finally getting results.

In terms of frequency of future tournaments, I feel like a single annual one would be more hype, but I don't mind whatever you guys do; they're fun either way.
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The tournament has been amazing so far. I think the best thing about the tournaments is all the new songs; I think that will make all of them hype regardless of how frequently they are.
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Yeah I did forget to say thank you kayla and to those who put in the time and work it took to make this tourney happen.

I was hype to see the v0 release myself, so you accomplished that surprise very nicely.

I didn't think I'd join when it was announced thinking oh god not this whole mess again but was glad I did and had some thing to look forward to at the end of each week. felt like a real spark having people active ya'know c:
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Yes, thank you tournament overlords, everything was very well run!
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Yeah, thanks to all of you who got this running. Even if I didnt hit top 8 like I wanted to, I didnt deserve it because I didnt put in enough work. Probably plateau'd at this point, but thats fine if im considered one of the D7 crew. Congrats to the winners.
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