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I mean, he could have not judged it at all. Every OT batch we've always reserved the right to take the file out of the batch if it wasn't going to meet our Tournament requirements anyway to save time for the things that do. I don't know why you're getting so defensive and pissed about one single note given to you that is relevant to the batch in this case, but you could have received just that note and nothing more, he still took his time to give you a thorough judgement.
First off to respond to the last part, that is exactly why I made it a first and foremost point to thank him for the notes, and I meant that. That's why it was first.

However, not only is there literally zero effort to mention anything about any V2 not being a viable choice for a tournament file. (Source.) So you don't even have a ground on that front. Any issue is that the note hits a requirement that isn't specified anywhere, and that's why it was completely wrong to attach that note.

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I'm going to walk away from this response and do the right thing and say one thing: this was my personal opinion and wasn't a note. It literally had nothing to do with the notes on the song itself -- and I'm not the one who makes final judgment on what does or doesn't go into the OT batch.

I appreciate you placing your immaturity on full display for everyone who is being respectful and engaging in conversations during disagreements.
It's totally a note, and no amount of explanations from you change that because despite your intentions, you've presented it in the way I interpreted it. We can argue semantics all day, and frankly you would lose that argument to me one-hundred percent of the time. There's no statement that it's an opinion, and even then, setting that aside, the statement is completely inappropriate to be there, because there's no stated rule about it, or mention of it. (Source.)

Also Choof, Halogen has already stated examples, so there's a history of it being done. Halogen has literally just admitted that I am right to have called out that note being completely inappropriate.

Also Halogen, did you really just say I was being immature? Is it where I called what you said "the most stupid, mindless, and absurd fucking thing, I've ever seen attached to simfile notes"? Then follow it up with a point for comparison, which is something I've seen judges making an active effort, and I've been told, to not do anymore? A point I've had happen to me personally twice? For a file you've actually looked at yourself which makes the reference even stronger? Is it because I used abrasive language? Get over yourself - really. Trying to be the bigger man and walking away? Buddy, you didn't. You still said your piece. Try again.

I called you out because what you said isn't fine, it's not ok, and Kayla, there isn't a public justification for it to be not acceptable for an official based on the reason cited. The file is not strong enough to be in the official, I accept that. But that one particular note has no reason to be there.

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I don't know why you're getting so defensive and pissed about one single note given to you that is relevant to the batch in this case...
I'm upset because of the precedent it sets. It literally tells me my work would have been for nothing, because of some silly requirement, that I didn't even know existed. Do you really think I didn't check the submission guidelines? I did.

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[OT 13 Batch]

This batch is open!

Submission Period: January 1st - June 14th

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here please make sure you select the proper batch for submission. If you have any questions on how to use this area please feel free to drop them here or reach out via DM or Discord Azlynn #4286

This batch will follow the regular batch rules such as song artist permission and submission formatting. Please be sure to look those over prior to submitting. You do not need to submit to the email as well, only the batch submission area.

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*Songs must be at least 1:30 long
*Prefer them to be under 4:30 long
*Ranges needed starting at level 20 and going up from there into the 100s
*We lean more towards files that test multiple skills rather than stressing one. There have been times where we get swamped with jump stream files. If that happens files may get kicked back into the regular submissions.
*You may request a file submitted to another batch be moved to this one. We will look it over and decide if it fits the tournament theme.
*Keep in mind this is a longer-term batch and the OT will not start until the summer so anything you submit here will not be getting released right away and judgements will be slower.
Let's for the sake of argument respond to each requirement, that I met.

1. YEP. Totes is.
2. Oh a preference. SKIP.
3. Certainly hits the wide range, that's for sure.
4. Jumpgluts + Minijacks + Short Streams + mini trills + Speed. Check!
5. Not relevant.
6. Oh again, not relevant.

So I certainly meet the requirements you've presented me with.

In short, just get some better clarifications of what you're looking for, and make sure stuff is spelled out. Then you won't have this problem, although I will say, the unspoken "rule" that a V2 can't be a tourney file because a V1 is gated, is one you really ought to reconsider.

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I mean, he could have not judged it at all. Every OT batch we've always reserved the right to take the file out of the batch if it wasn't going to meet our Tournament requirements anyway to save time for the things that do.
As grateful as I am for the notes, this is your problem, and not mine. Don't push it to sound like you're just being generous, that's not how that works.

Have a good one.
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Old 06-25-2020, 11:57 AM   #102
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Honestly, I'm not going to get super into it with you, you've been around long enough to know that we've always reserved the right that if a file would not fit into the tournament for one reason or another it could be kicked out to another batch to be judged. A v2 to a song that is a part of the prizes for an event to me seems like it'd be a no brainer, but I'll say sorry for not spelling out literally everything. I have too much expectation of common sense I guess. From now on I'll take the time and marinate on every line for a few days to make sure I don't miss anything.

Also, he just put in countless hours to get this done and it's ridiculous to have to put up with this over ONE LINE he put in his notes. Just move on.
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Old 06-25-2020, 12:13 PM   #103
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[absolutely massive clusterfuck of rambling bullshit that I honestly cannot be fucked to legitimately give a shit about]
I literally wrote 40 (single spaced) pages of judgment notes for 83 files, spending likely 60+ hours of my time to expedite notes to all of the people who have offered to contribute to the site's premiere event, all in the span over a touch above two weeks, after working 40 hours per week on my computer on top of it. Including the weekends, this is two weeks of me spending very literally 70 hours a week between my normal job and what was temporarily a second job, because I actually wanted to see this through and committed the time.

(For those of you that were around during the last OT, think of this as a reprieve for my poor approach towards judgment last time that caused things to stagnate for a long time. A redemption of sorts.)

I'm not going to be tactful towards you anymore because you are clearly too self-centered to realize that you're bitching about a minor disagreement over a single line of notes, so I'm just going to go right the fuck out and say it:

As of this moment, I legitimately could not be bothered to care any less about you as a content creator, nor the creations that you have made to the game, with the piss-poor self-centered attitude you have. Kindly get over yourself, take whatever it is that continues to be up your ass out of it, and fuck off.

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Old 06-25-2020, 12:46 PM   #104
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Man, I feel with that last post it's starting to become nitpicky from one side and straight up hostile from the other. Aren't we adults that are all here for the same reason, to get awesome files and music into the game?

People are going to be sensitive about their work sometimes, cool off and solve it in a private conversation or something.

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I've no shame in admitting my hostility. I was deliberately so. If people have a problem with it, oh well - I guess.

Everyone else has been respectful in communicating disagreements, and I appreciate that. But I'm not going to sit here and continue to be walked over, either. You guys have all been amazing through this process in terms of being patient and working with criticisms.

I don't claim to be this upstanding community figure anymore and have run out of shits to give about my public perception. I'm just trying to help and do a job. That's all that matters to me.
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Man, I feel with that last post it's starting to become nitpicky from one side and straight up hostile from the other. Aren't we adults that are all here for the same reason, to get awesome files and music into the game?

People are going to be sensitive about their work sometimes, cool off and solve it in a private conversation or something.
No, I'm here for the purpose of facilitating the tournament if you want to get technical about it. This runs deeper than just this specific thing, but I'm not bringing that all out here into it. And not to be rude but honestly, this post doesn't really do much good for the situation either. It just needs to be let go now.
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25 more unjudged files, you got this!
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25 more unjudged files, you got this!
2 left and they're both Halogen's files. All that's left are the CQ fixes. And easy batch is suppose for the lower difficulties.
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2 left and they're both Halogen's files. All that's left are the CQ fixes. And easy batch is suppose for the lower difficulties.
Easy batch was just a general easy batch that we'll pull from if needed but I think we're actually okay. Not sure 100% yet but I have some lower stuff already in place.
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2 left and they're both Halogen's files. All that's left are the CQ fixes. And easy batch is suppose for the lower difficulties.
i counted 25 unjudged files in the official tournament 13 batch http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...batch/?batch=9
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Those have not been updated yet. I'm going by the OP which has an updated list.
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Those have not been updated yet. I'm going by the OP which has an updated list.
ok so AJ just has to judge 2 more files which he stepped himself? i guess he'll rate them 10/10? xD
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I do not judge my own files, obviously.
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ok so AJ just has to judge 2 more files which he stepped himself? i guess he'll rate them 10/10? xD
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Marianas Trench (Pizza69) [7.5*/10]
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- opening 8th note PR is respectable; can be improved slightly but it definitely works as is
- patterning really shines with the 16th streaming; dual-layer PR is not easy with only 4-keys but you do it about as well as you really can with the space you have
- 31.927 to 51.647: patterning seems to become a bit unclear at times; sometimes the drums come in and provide some fitting trills
- 56.718: feel like [DR] would be a bit better here to prevent the repeated [u], unless itís a contouring thing for the PR (you donít do it at 1:04.957, though)
- 1:25.247: having a jump for the tom feels a bit off as an accent, given that 1:25.568 is noticeable as well -- either remove here or add the jump at 1:25.568 for a clearer accent
- 1:28.626: missing jump? all guitar chugging seems to be repeated jumps until the triples come in at 1:32.376
- 2:01.032: missing note for kick
- 2:10.974/etc: personal opinion, but I feel like making the power chords triples might make them stand out and give the guitar more of a punch (2:10.974, 2:11.974, 2:13.974, etc)
- 2:29.287: missing note for snare
- 2:44.351: not a fan of this, given that the guitar was introduced with single notes -- the kick appears to be used as a layering structure, considering thereís four repeated notes at 2:45.394 that donít go for the guitar (the last note of the four repeating should be something different if so)
- 2:54.472: missing note for snare
* 2:54.537: this BPM change to shift to a red note does not need to happen and it pushes the chartís sync to a yellow note until you reset the BPM with some changes at 3:19.711 -- that cymbal crash is on an off beat; additionally, the cut BPM feels very strange as a whole because the percussion paces very similarly to how it did in earlier sections -- the change in overall presentation shouldnít have happened until the BPM switch at 3:21.690, in my opinion
- 3:17.885: 24ths are a misrhythm - should be a 32nd after the 8th here, and then a gap, and then the next 32nd at 3:18.081
- 3:18.994/3:19.125: missing notes for drums
- 3:47.074: missing jump?
- 3:35.536/etc: are these being omitted in favor of the snare a 16th before? you accent other cymbals, but consistently ignore these
- 3:53.767/4:01.151: four note jack here, but nowhere else?
- structure gets a little dicey at the end, but the chartís fairly coherent overall and has some nice PR control in the opening
- CQ on the offset fix
Sent in fixes:
- improved PR in opening 8ths
31.927 to 51.647: sharpened the patterning up here to follow the drums a bit less ambiguously
56.718: done
1:25.568: added jump
1:28.626: i'd initially left this out because it's noticeably more subdued than the other instances, but upon second look i think it's better & more consistent with this as a jump; fixed
2:01.032: done
2:10.974/etc: ooh i like this, thanks for the suggestion!
2:29.287: done, and reworked the patterns around this area (8th jumptrill is now split, lead-in is a little different)
2:44.351: moved the last note of the four repeating off 1
2:54.472: I don't hear this at full speed; left this out
2:54.537: Fixed
3:17.885: fixed
3:18.994/3:19.125: no clue how i missed these; fixed
3:47.074: yup. added this in

Extra changes:
3:01.162: made some rhythms a little more accurate here and in a couple other places close by
3:51.558: turned this into a jumpjack

Not gonna lie, now that I look at this again I kind of wish I'd redone the whole ending before sending it in. But whatever, I'm happy with the rest of the file. Thanks for the notes!
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Updated Benson & Hedges (Venetian Snares Remix). IDK how to multi-quote, so here's some dumb formatting of the concerns I had with some of the notes below. Any unmentioned notes are those that I've addressed in this 2nd draft. Number (1-7) is AJ's notes, XXX is my thoughts.

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(1.) - 12.960: the three repeating 8th notes are a recurring theme (12.960, 14.355, 15.751, 18.541, ), but it’s really hard to understand why the third repeat is there in most instances, as only the first two notes are really audible over the percussion. Additionally, your PR can be improved if you’re going to actually represent those pitches as a part of your structure.

XXX - Made an attempt to address 12.960, 14.355, 15.751, 18.541 (and also the unmentioned 31.098, 32.493, 33.889, 35.284, 54.819, 56.214, 57.609, 1:00.401, 2:00.401, 2:04.413, (After this, I lost count of the other spots that had this issue – but I did address them). Hopefully I assumed correctly on what u meant by saying the “third repeat”.

(2.) - 36.941: I hear what this is following, but it’s definitely tough to hear at 100% rate; might be worth reducing/removing.

XXX - Do u mean this one arrow OR the 32nds between 36.854-37.203? I’m currently assuming the former.

(3.) - 1:00.576/1:01.186: another opportunity for strong instrument relevance - if you change the [D]-[R] mini-trill to an [u]-[R], then the pattern at 1:01.186 is a continuation because they both use the same instruments (and are tied to the same arrows)

XXX - So 1:00.576 and 1:01.186 aren’t EXACTLY the same noise, but I’ll still do ur suggestion.

(4.) - 1:05.895: ghost note

XXX - Nope, this one note is part of the subtle flute background.

(5.) - 1:13.134/1:13.221/1:13.308: these three notes correspond to snares, and those same snares play at 1:13.831 -- these are opportunities to really tighten up your chart structure and maximize the flow against the music

XXX - Not sure wat ur suggesting I do here. I’m assuming I was being inconsistent on the patterning of these two snare triplets, so I’ll attempt to fix that.

(6.) - 2:14.180/2:18.366: missing jump for kick (you do them at 2:12.785 and 2:12.959)

XXX - I was aware that 2:14.180 (and also 2:18.366) was supposed to be a jump, but I white-noted it b/c I didn’t want to make a 16th mini-jack off a mini-jumpglut (e.g. [12][14], where the [14] is a different sound from the preceding [34][12][34][12]). For 2:18.366, the same white-note logic was applied here, but now I relistened to this section again and just noticed there was 3 pitch changes instead of 2 (basically one more jumptrill transition), so please rejudge this small section if time permits.

(7.) - 2:33.715: since you’re working with a drum solo and not any sort of melody, you can afford to mix up the patterns a bit while still keeping the relevance - a simple mirror for the repeating drum patterns will make this feel a lot less dull

XXX - Gonna need an example of a "mix-up'd pattern" for this one. If “a simple mirror” means stepping a descending sound as an ascending pattern, I’m not comfortable with that.

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a 5.5 for a freedom dive chart is not the hill to die on imo

it's fucking freedom dive
chart better music
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Old 06-26-2020, 07:00 AM   #119
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yeah like FREEDOM DiVE [METAL†DIMENSIONS]
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Old 06-26-2020, 10:31 AM   #120
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We DO have permission for Metal Dimensions, no?
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