Keep It Short [43 or 46]

**VisD** · 08-10-2012, 10:18 AM

Just to refresh, under the 1-99 scale old 8s are ~35-45. 9s are 46-55.

Therefore right now this song is a high 8. But take a look at some of the patterns...

Right off the bat we begin with a 22112 12th pattern, which is horribly awkward by itself, not to mention when we're going cold into it. But okay...one obnoxious pattern doesn't make a C. (The pattern does repeat itself, btw)

That's the least of it, however.

A little later you have alternating 64th and 48th grace notes, which are confusing as hell to players of that skill level. Grace notes aren't even common in 8s except in classical/piano songs, not to mention ones with alternating colours in them. They create some confusing framers as well:

The chart goes on like this for a while, nothing new except for a few !surprise! 12th jacks in there. So it's a mid-8 until just after the halfway mark, when an interesting [34]43[24]4[123] pattern appears out of nowhere after a slow part. The first polyrhythm appears here, and it only gets tougher.

Soon you have 12th stream mixed with a couple of 8ths and the aforementioned 48th and 64th grace notes too. Then, this thing happens...twice:

Since when do 8s have 8th/12th polyrhythms with 32nd bursts thrown in?

After this there's a bunch more polyrhythms comprising of 12ths and then 16ths, with 48th graces in them.

And that's why this song is not a 43 - it finds better company amongst things like Fantranstic than, say, Remember 15 Years Ago.

**VisD** · 08-21-2012, 11:24 AM

bump cuz buried

XxMidigamixX · 08-21-2012, 12:42 PM

I actually agree with this being bumped up. But not sure if it should be either a 45 (which is just barely tipping onto the os (using the old 1-13 scale)) or a 46 (which is a super low 9). But yes, aside from the 32nd bursts that look like the ones from Addict (D4's round 1 file), but also the framered grace notes from elegante, which are both 10 & 9 respectively (again, using the old 1-13 scale to explain it better). As for the stats, here's three files that are around the same difficulty (1 being exactly the same difficulty as Keep it Short and 2 in the 9s area) with similar release dates (excluding some recent releases), and similar amount of number of players that have played these files, and with that extensive overlooks on the files being compared to Keep it Short:

Here's also the NPS graph for each files:

Since VisD already showed the parts that are derpish in KiS, here's the tricky spots in the other songs.

Daybreak

Comfortably Lost

Yukitsuki-yashou

Doomsday

this is pretty much a w.i.p. int othe details, but as soon as I go into depth for each part, it will come out cleanly as in the end, Keep it Short should be bumped into a 46.

Xx{Midnight}xX · 08-21-2012, 03:15 PM

You guys pretty much covered everything there is to cover. Yeah this chart should be bumped to 46.

**nois-or-e** · 08-21-2012, 06:08 PM

If the general agreement is leaning towards 46, I'll mention this in Diff chat today and bump it up if there aren't any qualms in doing so ;D

@VisD: A-grade OP here for the diff sub forum, exactly what we want to see ;D

**One Winged Angel** · 08-21-2012, 09:21 PM

+1 for gr8 OP, played the file and agree with the bump for reasons stated in OP

**nois-or-e** · 08-21-2012, 10:27 PM

Bumping it up now, hang 5 ;D

Edit: Done, thanks for the great thread guys.

08-10-2012, 10:18 AM	#1
VisD FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,195	Keep It Short [43 or 46] Just to refresh, under the 1-99 scale old 8s are ~35-45. 9s are 46-55. Therefore right now this song is a high 8. But take a look at some of the patterns... Right off the bat we begin with a 22112 12th pattern, which is horribly awkward by itself, not to mention when we're going cold into it. But okay...one obnoxious pattern doesn't make a C. (The pattern does repeat itself, btw) That's the least of it, however. A little later you have alternating 64th and 48th grace notes, which are confusing as hell to players of that skill level. Grace notes aren't even common in 8s except in classical/piano songs, not to mention ones with alternating colours in them. They create some confusing framers as well: The chart goes on like this for a while, nothing new except for a few !surprise! 12th jacks in there. So it's a mid-8 until just after the halfway mark, when an interesting [34]43[24]4[123] pattern appears out of nowhere after a slow part. The first polyrhythm appears here, and it only gets tougher. Soon you have 12th stream mixed with a couple of 8ths and the aforementioned 48th and 64th grace notes too. Then, this thing happens...twice: Since when do 8s have 8th/12th polyrhythms with 32nd bursts thrown in? After this there's a bunch more polyrhythms comprising of 12ths and then 16ths, with 48th graces in them. And that's why this song is not a 43 - it finds better company amongst things like Fantranstic than, say, Remember 15 Years Ago. __________________

08-21-2012, 11:24 AM	#2
VisD FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,195	Re: Keep It Short [43 or 46] bump cuz buried

08-21-2012, 12:42 PM	#3
XxMidigamixX FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Cuba, FL Posts: 2,040	Re: Keep It Short [43 or 46] I actually agree with this being bumped up. But not sure if it should be either a 45 (which is just barely tipping onto the os (using the old 1-13 scale)) or a 46 (which is a super low 9). But yes, aside from the 32nd bursts that look like the ones from Addict (D4's round 1 file), but also the framered grace notes from elegante, which are both 10 & 9 respectively (again, using the old 1-13 scale to explain it better). As for the stats, here's three files that are around the same difficulty (1 being exactly the same difficulty as Keep it Short and 2 in the 9s area) with similar release dates (excluding some recent releases), and similar amount of number of players that have played these files, and with that extensive overlooks on the files being compared to Keep it Short: Keep It Short Musician: Beatdrop Step Artist: bmah Level Number: 1537 Song Genre: Hip-Hop Song Style: Techno Difficulty: 43 Release Date: 10-20-11 Song Length: 2:02 Number of AAAs: 95 Number of FCs: 288 Number of Players: 1,285 # of Times Played: 2,897 Doomsday Musician: Red Blank Step Artist: bmah Level Number: 1527 Song Genre: Rock Song Style: Gloomy Rock Difficulty: 43 Release Date: 10-06-11 Song Length: 2:50 Number of AAAs: 103 Number of FCs: 299 Number of Players: 1,325 # of Times Played: 2,752 Yukitsuki-yashou Musician: guna Step Artist: leonid Level Number: 1525 Song Genre: Secret Song Style: Instrumental Difficulty: 49 Release Date: 09-29-11 Song Length: 2:30 Number of AAAs: 171 Number of FCs: 441 Number of Players: 1,453 # of Times Played: 4,221 Comfortably Lost Musician: NickPerrin Step Artist: MarioNintendo Level Number: 1502 Song Genre: Funk Song Style: Jazz Difficulty: 49 Release Date: 08-25-11 Song Length: 1:50 Number of AAAs: 106 Number of FCs: 398 Number of Players: 1,615 # of Times Played: 4,180 Daybreak Musician: -RYO- Step Artist: Silvuh Level Number: 1706 Song Genre: Dance Song Style: Trancecore Difficulty: 44 Release Date: 05-26-12 Song Length: 1:55 Number of AAAs: 104 Number of FCs: 273 Number of Players: 1,488 # of Times Played: 3,174 obviously from looking at this, it is pretty obvious that out of the bunch, Keep it Short has not only less AAAs, but also less FCs than the rest of these files, including Yukitsuki-yashou and Comfortably Lost, both are which are 49s. Here's also the NPS graph for each files: Daybreak Comfortably Lost Yukitsuki-yashou Keep it Short Doomsday Aside from Daybreak, Keep it Short's highest NPS mark is higher than Comfortably Lost and Yukitsuki-yashou and is the same as Doomsday, but its also more sporadic than both of the 49s mentioned on here, which are more constant and stable. Since VisD already showed the parts that are derpish in KiS, here's the tricky spots in the other songs. Daybreak ^roll @ 503-510 followed by a [34] jump ^alternating mini-jacks that is easily bootrap for those who lack consistency Comfortably Lost will go into depth later on Yukitsuki-yashou will go into depth later Doomsday will go into depth later this is pretty much a w.i.p. int othe details, but as soon as I go into depth for each part, it will come out cleanly as in the end, Keep it Short should be bumped into a 46. __________________ Click to join! Last edited by XxMidigamixX; 08-21-2012 at 12:47 PM.. Reason: adding more stuff, still a W.I.P.

08-21-2012, 03:15 PM	#4
Xx{Midnight}xX FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 8,548	Re: Keep It Short [43 or 46] You guys pretty much covered everything there is to cover. Yeah this chart should be bumped to 46.

08-21-2012, 06:08 PM	#5
nois-or-e SponCon Aficionado Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: doot~ Age: 38 Posts: 3,250	Re: Keep It Short [43 or 46] If the general agreement is leaning towards 46, I'll mention this in Diff chat today and bump it up if there aren't any qualms in doing so ;D @VisD: A-grade OP here for the diff sub forum, exactly what we want to see ;D __________________

08-21-2012, 10:27 PM	#7
nois-or-e SponCon Aficionado Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: doot~ Age: 38 Posts: 3,250	Re: Keep It Short [43 or 46] Bumping it up now, hang 5 ;D Edit: Done, thanks for the great thread guys. __________________ Last edited by nois-or-e; 08-21-2012 at 10:29 PM..

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