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Old 06-18-2014, 11:09 PM   #41
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

I don't have any issues with teaching about something. That is completely different from teaching it as fact. Unfortunately religion is a thing people do so if someone wanted to teach about the fact that people have religious beliefs then so be it.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:10 PM   #42
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

if you don't believe that creationism is a viable argument you're way too ignorant to be posting on an internet message board
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:23 PM   #43
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

Not a very useful argument and in the history of never has creationism been taught as the more simple concept of the universe being created by intelligence without all of the religion stuff added on.

There is nothing to prove or disprove so you would still have to teach about it rather than teach it as a potential fact.
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:42 PM   #44
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But if we came from monkeys why do we still have monkeys
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Old 06-18-2014, 11:54 PM   #45
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

I wouldn't think this would spawn so much controversy when creationism is clearly bullshit and has no right to be taught as a scientific fact.

Let's make another example: would you think it's wrong to ban holocaust negationist history books from being used in public schools and presented as actual facts?
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Old 06-19-2014, 12:16 AM   #46
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

another small point I should add:

even if the creationism argument that neither evolution nor creationism can be proven to be true or false, that still doesn't qualify creationism to be taught in classrooms (and if that was the case evolution shouldn't be taught either)

the point of science is to make demonstrable claims about reality. if you make any kind of statement that is not provable or demonstrable, it can never be discussed meaningfully in science
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Old 06-19-2014, 12:26 AM   #47
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

nothing of the external world is provable because nothing in the external world can ever be proof
it's like none of you have ever heard of descartes or something
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Old 06-19-2014, 12:30 AM   #48
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Old 06-19-2014, 12:43 AM   #49
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Old 06-19-2014, 02:00 AM   #50
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is a terrible argument
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Reuben: elaborate?
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:40 AM   #53
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oh yea? well explain the grand canyon!
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Old 06-19-2014, 07:45 AM   #54
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Well, okay, but you've restated the definition of censorship as an argument that it isn't censorship.

The problem I think is that bans on speech are censorship but this doesn't mean censorship is in itself objectionable, but many people consider censorship objectionable wholesale, so they're reluctant to call it that. Some people believe that censorship only applies to public speech, and there's a weird debate about that, but in a broader sense "censorship" just means "bans on speech", regardless of private or public context.

You are not allowed to commit fraud because deceitful speech on products is banned. This is a kind of censorship I support.

Curricula indirectly ban a lot of other things from being taught anyway by mandating what must be taught, so I don't think excluding creationism would cause any harm. My only concern would be what would happen if the precedent were reworked to ban information for more political reasons, e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ce_controversy
I think you misinterpreted my sentence because it can still be taught in the appropriate religious studies classes. It's not banned from ever being mentioned, just (as I said) banned from being taught as scientific fact. Failing to meet the standards of science in order for something to be taught in science classes isn't censorship. If it is, then not teaching about unicorns or leprechauns (or any other unsubstantiated unfalsifiable concept you can think of) in science classes is also censorship.


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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

Simple as that: creationism isn't science. Thus it has no place in the science classroom.
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Old 06-19-2014, 10:15 AM   #56
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

shouldnt that have been obvious from the op

like why is this thread even 3 pages

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Old 06-19-2014, 10:22 AM   #57
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

Because FFR. Threads like this should probably be locked on sight.
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Old 06-20-2014, 02:31 PM   #58
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

It's not actually being *banned* here though...
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Old 06-20-2014, 03:03 PM   #59
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i dont believe in creationism but this thread was doomed from the start
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Old 06-20-2014, 04:17 PM   #60
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Default Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

How is this even a discussion in 2014? Can't people read? I wanted to post about this, but figured it was completely pointless because "eh", but now... Ah, fuck w/e.
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