TWG XXVIII: Card Sharks (or Wolves, rather)

[nforcer06164]

To clairfy Tass's suggestion and make it prominent so it's not missed:

SEER. COME OUT PUBLICLY.

And more important after this occurs:

GUARDIAN. COME OUT TO THE SEER PRIVATELY. GUARD HIM/HER.

Also, when someone is seered and comes up human, contact them. Every human seered will be 100% guaranteed human with no MW. This game can end easily if an alliance can be built up quickly and solidly.

And for those of you who are questioning my humanity for being so eager: I'm not afraid to be seered. If I am the mark, as Tass already mentioned in reference to himself, I'll take a hit for the team to make sure the wolves do get found.

[Tasselfoot]

Whats up with the inactivity now?

We went from like 30 posts in the first hour or two to zero posts in the past 12.

We have 4 or 5 people who have posted 0 or 1 times... this is sad. and where the **** is ap?

ps - blah... we know you just won $30k, but try and make some time to post here in TWG land... aight? your post sucked.

[iggymatrixcounter]

Well after talking with a few people, I've come to the conclusion that really nothing can be done until the seer comes out. No one gives any evidence of doing anything else (that or they just didn't say what they were doing.)

Also another thing I've thought of. Since the seer coming out is such an awesome idea surely they would have done so by now, even if they just LOOKED at the thread. This is a dilema since the general thought is that a wolf is also inactive.

I'm placing a vote on psycho He told me he would try to play the game but I dunno I don't think he's posted yet. If he is seer he may come out and then I'll change but since the seer isn't coming out as of now. I have to run with what's going on now. And that is that a wolf is possibly inactive and/or not strong enough to take initiative and make a wolf vote. So feel he falls into both these categories.

[talisman]

Originally Posted by iggy

I've come to the conclusion that really nothing can be done until the seer comes out.

See now this seems a little different from the iggy I knew from two twgs ago... the one who was out talking to everyone, making longish posts, not saying "there's nothing to do". Also that vote on psycho... why? Is it necessary to vote this early on reasoning that weak. Why do you "have to run with what's going on now" and not wait until more evidence presents itself?

About the seer coming out/not... there are advantages and disadvantages. I kind of like the idea that with coming out the seer no longer has to fear death whereas before both seer and guardian have to worry about it. On the other hand, like I said earlier, if the seer isn't good at managing an alliance, then it might not be as good of an idea.

[blahblah18]

seer should 100 % come out, its infinitely better by soooo much, msg me on aim any naysayers

[iggymatrixcounter]

Talisman, I have many things going on. I'm still doing all those things I did last game, but recall I got wolfed for posting. Just trying to play a little quieter this time around.

And I don't find my reasoning weak, yes it's early, but like I said, nothing is changing. Most are set on waiting for a seer and I really don't see any other surprises coming for the rest of the day. Im just going with the theory of an inactive wolf and/or too inexperienced to make a move if they were active. psycho fits both and therefore = vote.

Also I change my vote a lot most of the time. So if something DOES come up, I will change.

oh and @ Nforcer: sorry for thinking you were a woman. I don't know where I got that idea but again, my bad.

[aperson]

Blah is correct.

I AM THE SEER

[talisman]

Well that assauges my fears about the seer being incapable of leading an alliance... (assuming ap isn't pulling a fake here or something).

[Tasselfoot]

hey blah... would you PLEASE mind posting something a little less... um... curt?

[FishFishRevolution]

Afrobean - 7 - inactivity; still hasn't posted
blahblah18 - 8 - inactivity, odd first post
Omeganitros - 7 - inactivity; still hasn't posted
Tps222 - 8 - His confusion comment has really stuck with me for some reason. It looks a lot like a wolf trying to fit in by acting like he's confused, when in reality no one is confused.
chickendude - 4 - could go either way, feeling human though.
JurseyRider734 - 2 - Jurs's aggression on AIM in the chat is characteristic of jurs as a human
talisman - 3 - could go either way, seems human to me
HansSky - 4 - seems like human hans to me, but I don't know him very well. Could go either way
Kilgamayan - 4 - would've sent the kill in, but could go either way
Psychozerosk8er - 7 - probably wouldn't have sent the kill in, he fits the bill on this one
iggymatrixcounter - 5 - would've sent the kill in, seems odd in his posts.
mead1 - 5 - no reasoning, could go either way
aperson - 1 - I doubt he's pulling a fake seer
Tasselfoot - 2 - almost no doubt that he's human after that night stunt
nforcer06164 - 4 - super activity, although that could go either way

[MilfeulleSakuraba]

I'd like to know where on earth Omega is. I was talking to him last night while he made that GB Banning thread for those two randomy guys whose names I can't remember. I forgot to mention TWG, sadly, but it seems like he has forgotten about the game entirely himself.

[mead1]

I'm as suspicious as Iggy, Fish?

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[nforcer06164]

From eb's away message:

Where the heck is Afro!?

Apparently, Afrobean is nowhere to be found. Of course, that definitely does not rule him out as a wolf. In fact, that just makes me think he is a wolf even more. Unfortunately, NOBODY knows what happened. No message left behind, anything. I was going to vote him, but without knowing anything, it just seems to be in bad taste.

I talked to TPS VERBALLY last night, both on and off the radio. He seemed genuine to me, overall. I think the "confused" comment was a TPS. Yes, I called it a TPS. I always give him bonus credit because he always seems to say something odd. TPS does always pull crazy stuff to make the game interesting, but I highly doubt he'd throw away the Night 1 kill.

Psycho seems to be playing some sort of "stupid" indifferent act in my opinion. The "it's a lot to take in" comment in the chat struck me as odd; kind of like a newbie wolf attitude of "hahaha they can't figure us out," or "oh no, we screwed up, don't say too much." The withdrawl from activity does not fit a human attitude, especially since there's a lot to discuss and voice personal opinion on. He's had plenty of opportunity to read over everything and draw a personal opinion.

It's a huge relief for me to be able to pull my watch away from who I considered a top suspect strictly from activity.

So who does that leave? Well, from my original list, it'd be afrobean, blah, and one of the new guys (either psycho or chickendude). After thinking, I also considered... even without any forum activity, would blah be so careless to miss the kill? Though I feel obligated to give him credit for his intelligence, everybody is human, and I'm still going to keep a close eye on him.

I'm starting to wonder about Omega. Though he's usually active on the forums, and was after the thread went up, he hasn't been seen here at all. That makes me wonder.

I still think our wolves are what I originally thought. Two vets, one freshie, inactivity of vets, freshie withdrawl. That leads me to believe that of those inactive at the time (Afro, blah), current inactive (Omega), and one of the newbies (psycho, chickendude), there are some or all of the wolves.

I realize how shallow a list that seems, but I still have a new idea floating in the back of my mind that a vet may have waited for the other to discuss and let time lapse. Though people like Tass and Kilga probably would make the decision after too long, I'm not sure about everybody else, which leaves a lot open.

[nforcer06164]

AFRO MYSTERY SOLVED: He's grounded. I called him, and apparently he didn't get a homework assignment finished when his mom wanted him to get it finished... or something like that. He said he'll be able to post during school, at least one post a day.

[JurseyRider734]

Well that would explain the no-kill.

[nforcer06164]

Yep. Assuming another one or two of our inactives is a wolf, or if we have at least one newbie wolf, we may already have the three. Of course, that's just a possibility. It's too early to be certain.

The edit was just a clarification of my statement.

[Tps222]

Afro never cares about TWG this much as human. I'd see him dropping out if he was one, I like the theory nforcer brought up, and he explained it better to me last night. Therefore, I'm going to vote Afro.

[FishFishRevolution]

Originally Posted by mead1

I'm as suspicious as Iggy, Fish?

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Haha, it's just that I haven't gotten a vibe on either of you one way or another.

[Tasselfoot]

Afro.

I know I'm usually the last person to vote... but this sure as hell seems like the best day 1 evidence we've ever had, apart from a positive seering.

I talked it over more with a few other people, and Afro being grounded all weekend makes PERFECT sense as to why the wolves never got a kill in. Especially if one or both of the other 2 wolves are semi/fairly inactive.

We're all agreed that it makes no sense to intentionally not kill someone... so inactivity of one kind or another is the ONLY reasoning that makes sense. What is more inactive than being grounded and unable to get onto the computer at all? Nothing. Plus, the other 2 wolves get nervous and don't want to send in a kill without talking it over with their 3rd partner... so they decide to wait until the next day. But by then, its been 30+ hours already, and the host kills their time and forces the day, sans kill.

But, man... I do have that small feeling in the back of my head (like always) that the real wolves are in the background laughing their asses off, because they were just plain stupid and thought it was a good idea not to kill anyone, then we go and come up with all this logic to back it up and lynch poor inactive Afro. Good thing that feeling is SMALL... and way in the back of my head. Behind alot of porn.

[iggymatrixcounter]

The only reason I could see the wolves laughing is that if a wolf knew afro would be grounded and that would explain the lack of kill. Which would make afro a sure lynch and the wolves can get a free lynch and have the humans on a certain trian of thought that would be opposite to where it needed to be.