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Old 07-1-2018, 01:15 AM   #1
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Default Nerfed MANIERA chart should be created

I feel the one right now has way too many hard patterns, maybe make a noob friendly version that’s like lv. 46 or something.

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Old 07-1-2018, 02:04 AM   #2
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Be the change you wish to see in the world. By that, I mean - you should be the one to create MANIERA v2 or nerfed versions of any other FFR songs that you like.
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It's true - people have stepped harder or easier versions of charts before and had them accepted. Maybe you should take up the task of creating "Maniera [Light]"
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In order for it to be level 46 it would need to be ignoring sounds that are very obviously there, like stepping 16th notes as 8ths which would be ridiculous. Changing the patterns wouldn't get it anywhere near that.
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How about an easier Freedom Dive. Thanks in advance.
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Old 07-1-2018, 08:38 AM   #6
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There should be a chart for every song at every level, it's silly that there's no level 12 version of rato!
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They should make hard versions of every chart since every level 100+ song is glitchy breakcore
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Old 07-1-2018, 08:59 AM   #8
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How about an easier Freedom Dive. Thanks in advance.
I made one, it got rejected. I'd fix it but i've since lost the file.
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Old 07-1-2018, 09:10 AM   #9
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I, for one, would like to avoid Canon in WHEE syndrome as much as possible.
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you could always use downrates, i guess
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Be the change you wish to see in the world. By that, I mean - you should be the one to create MANIERA v2 or nerfed versions of any other FFR songs that you like.
I could slow down and slightly reinstrument MANIERA to make it easier to play and still follow the music. It’s not out of the realm of possibility, it just takes forever

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In order for it to be level 46 it would need to be ignoring sounds that are very obviously there, like stepping 16th notes as 8ths which would be ridiculous. Changing the patterns wouldn't get it anywhere near that.
Umm… the osu!mania and bms charts of the same song have diffs as low as easy.

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It's true - people have stepped harder or easier versions of charts before and had them accepted. Maybe you should take up the task of creating "Maniera [Light]"
It would probably suck, but I’ll try

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you could always use downrates, i guess
Then I don’t get AA efficiency

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They should make hard versions of every chart since every level 100+ song is glitchy breakcore
I could map the entire because maybe album. That would be > lv. 100 and like 50 minutes long

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There should be a chart for every song at every level, it's silly that there's no level 12 version of rato!
Lol, try to make a brutal version of counting snow.

You can’t do it for every song, lol.

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Though there are exceptions, FFR's chart creation process isn't intrinsically focused around making a chart for X difficulty; rather, it's about making a chart that actually fits the music with a proper layering or stepping structure, and if a different difficulty is desired then typically a different song is chosen. Where games like IIDX have depth for given songs with multiple difficulties, FFR is relatively shallow for songs but have a larger breadth, covering a wider range of songs; this is a fairly defined characteristic at this point, and one that works well based on how the community works. As well, FFR's chart submission process is much more arduous and selective than the notion of anyone making a chart for similar games like Stepmania and Osu.

To be blunt, if you want a different difficulty of a song, I recommend you reach out to, or play, games such as Osu!Mania or Stepmania.

I'm going to echo my good friend ilikexd here, who if you didn't notice actually stepped the version of MANIERA currently in the game, because chances are he knows more about what makes for a good and proper chart, and one that should be in FFR, than a large majority of the community, definitely including both myself and you.

I don't think a lower level chart for it is a good idea. The light/heavy splits that are actually in the game currently are for good reason, and are fringe cases, and this definitely would not be one of those cases.
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Though there are exceptions, FFR's chart creation process isn't intrinsically focused around making a chart for X difficulty; rather, it's about making a chart that actually fits the music with a proper layering or stepping structure, and if a different difficulty is desired then typically a different song is chosen. Where games like IIDX have depth for given songs with multiple difficulties, FFR is relatively shallow for songs but have a larger breadth, covering a wider range of songs; this is a fairly defined characteristic at this point, and one that works well based on how the community works. As well, FFR's chart submission process is much more arduous and selective than the notion of anyone making a chart for similar games like Stepmania and Osu.

To be blunt, if you want a different difficulty of a song, I recommend you reach out to, or play, games such as Osu!Mania or Stepmania.

I'm going to echo my good friend ilikexd here, who if you didn't notice actually stepped the version of MANIERA currently in the game, because chances are he knows more about what makes for a good and proper chart, and one that should be in FFR, than a large majority of the community, definitely including both myself and you.

I don't think a lower level chart for it is a good idea. The light/heavy splits that are actually in the game currently are for good reason, and are fringe cases, and this definitely would not be one of those cases.
Tried playing osu!mania, community is cancer tho
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an easier version of maniera could be created perfectly fine lmfao
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Though there are exceptions, FFR's chart creation process isn't intrinsically focused around making a chart for X difficulty; rather, it's about making a chart that actually fits the music with a proper layering or stepping structure, and if a different difficulty is desired then typically a different song is chosen. Where games like IIDX have depth for given songs with multiple difficulties, FFR is relatively shallow for songs but have a larger breadth, covering a wider range of songs; this is a fairly defined characteristic at this point, and one that works well based on how the community works. As well, FFR's chart submission process is much more arduous and selective than the notion of anyone making a chart for similar games like Stepmania and Osu.

To be blunt, if you want a different difficulty of a song, I recommend you reach out to, or play, games such as Osu!Mania or Stepmania.

I'm going to echo my good friend ilikexd here, who if you didn't notice actually stepped the version of MANIERA currently in the game, because chances are he knows more about what makes for a good and proper chart, and one that should be in FFR, than a large majority of the community, definitely including both myself and you.

I don't think a lower level chart for it is a good idea. The light/heavy splits that are actually in the game currently are for good reason, and are fringe cases, and this definitely would not be one of those cases.
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I, for one, would like to avoid Canon in WHEE syndrome as much as possible.
What does "Canon in WHEE syndrome" mean?
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Old 07-1-2018, 12:51 PM   #19
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an easier version of maniera could be created perfectly fine lmfao
Yeah, it just has to be non-overcharted
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Yeah, it just has to be non-overcharted
the implication being the current version in game is overcharted?

everything in nathan's maniera is musically justified, if anything he undercharted specific parts and deliberately chose very lenient patterning for sections that could've ramped up the difficulty significantly higher than what it is

an easier version at the difficulty level you specified wouldn't simply be 'non-overcharted', it would be overwhelmingly undercharted...that isn't to say it couldn't be done, but to insinuate the current version is overcharted because it's difficult is pretty silly
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