TWG 191: Don't Trust Your Mentor - Game Thread

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by TWGma

And by that, I mean it's time for you to snap out of the meme for a bit and actually accept working together with me if we want to actually win this.

irony

[TWGma]

That said, if you're a fucking wolf again, I'm just gonna give up on playing this game ever again because I'll have lost my touch for ever reading you and life will have no meaning.

[Duskfall]

Funnnygurl, assuming you are town, why do you think scum dbp would try CFD off a town lynch every day?

[Duskfall]

There's no way dbp is scum here without fg, he's not flying under the radar really he's just not in thread a alot, there's a difference. Consisting he keeps trying to switch the vote off people last minute we have to assume he has a real interested in saving the people he's switching off, I don't think scum dbp tries to save storn, and I don't think he tries save fg if she's town. If dbp is scum so is fg here

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

think of it this way
if you're DBP, you saw that literally 4 people followed your vote last phase
if you're a wolf, IN WHAT WORLD do you ever try to get 4 people to follow you onto your partner?

They just aren't compatible imo, I can see dbp/poptart as just distancing, but I never see this
and FG arrived at the same conclusion before I did

Well as much as I would normally find the time to scream about this, I actually think we should switch out DBP for Funny in that PoE, so in the end I don't disagree with your point, per se.

I think it's Subaru/Xel/Funny and if I'm wrong on a town read it's probably Trevor then Dusk in that order, replacing Subaru.

I think Funny's a hit but maybe the lynch just needs to be Xel

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Well as much as I would normally find the time to scream about this, I actually think we should switch out DBP for Funny in that PoE, so in the end I don't disagree with your point, per se.

I think it's Subaru/Xel/Funny and if I'm wrong on a town read it's probably Trevor then Dusk in that order, replacing Subaru.

I think Funny's a hit but maybe the lynch just needs to be Xel

there was a lot of unspoken resistance to the xel lynch. Realistically I'm not voting outside xel/poptart barring some bizarre double PR claim (and at that point it's likely a fake claim)

[MixMasterLar]

Duskfall making sense

[flashflash account]

like, if i can read the thread and see that storn is flipping town just cause of thread state, everyone else should be able to as well
the eod was largely inactive- I think wolves straight up didn't need to be there, and weren't

FG's content from when she is here however has felt comparable to like, backpack to me, it's jiving with me, I see her headspace and it's fairly pure

[MixMasterLar]

God I wish wish wish Vigi had killed Funny this would be easy af.

But yeah I think if Xel is in everyone's PoE that's who I'll vote for.

[flashflash account]

FG paired with backpack still isn't a world that exists unless you think FG was more or less begging people to vote her partner

yeahyeah bussing exists w/e

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

FG's content from when she is here however has felt comparable to like, backpack to me

Fucking what

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

FG paired with backpack still isn't a world that exists unless you think FG was more or less begging people to vote her partner

yeahyeah bussing exists w/e

She's bussed before
She'll bussed again
Don't know if I believe that are partners tho

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Fucking what

yes lol
am I the crazy one? Do I actually need to go back and reread?
idk what you see other than wagonomics here
she's pretty town

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

God I wish wish wish Vigi had killed Funny this would be easy af.

But yeah I think if Xel is in everyone's PoE that's who I'll vote for.

I wish the vig had done actually anything this game

[SubaruPoptart]

I'm going back to about page 50 for this, so here we are.
for FFA:

Here's the earliest reads I could find from him when he transferred in. I'm completely disregarding anything in his slot prior to his transfer as I couldn't really deduce anything from the stuff in there.

Originally Posted by flashflash account

1: Funnygurl555-tforce
2: SubaruPoptart-town
3: storn42-wolf
4: mellonxcollie-null
5: Charu-mentor (town ig)
6: TWGma (T-Force)-funnygurl
7: DaBackpack-town
8: Shadow_God_10 - Vanilla Town
9: XelNya-town
10: inDheart flashflash account-town
11: Duskfall-town
12: the sun fan-wolf
13: MixMasterLar-mml

quick notes
I believe in the tforce funnygurl meme

I've ~mostly~ read the entire game, the beginning I had a solid town read on sunfan but didn't like his positioning during the shadowgod lynch, there was a post that pinged me as TMI
raeko's alignment depends on sunfan to me
duskfall and backpack are my top towns, I like pretty much everyone that was on the shadowgod wagon
not sad to see charu gone, even though he was PR it helps my poe a fair bit

I'm not gonna focus on his stance on me in my own reads as that's... I don't understand the point in that.

Raeko's null, SF is Wolf, storn's wolf, and I'm not sure what TWG's indication is here.
Pretty much everyone else is town. I'm keeping this in mind until I find another specific reads list from him.

Onto the quotes I feel are important:

This one's a bit of a 4-layered one. It starts as such if you open the spoiler.

[About FG:]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

ok you're town

[The quote he's referencing:]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i don't like this outta duskfall

the progression makes sense outta dbp but what was this? but at the same time his vote was also on me which is also wrong

it's surprising that he didn't flip onto suspicions he actually mentioned

[The quote she's referencing:]

Originally Posted by Duskfall

ShadowGod

Ok cool someone else did it thanks

[The quote that Duskfall's saying that someone else voted for Shadow for:]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

my legacy is gonna be pretty similar to my last reads list

raeko and sunfan could maybe be coupled not sure yet
fg is a wildcard in that she could go anywhere, but doesn't fit anywhere yet
shadow has a lot of wolf partner options, sunfan, storn, maybe even raeko

but people are gonna ignore this so Shadow_Wolf I'm following my heart

[There's another quote within Backpack's one:]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

alright guys it's crunch time, give me your reads lists

shadow/storn/???raeko???/???sunfan??? wolves
dusk/MML/Xelnya town atm

if shadow is wolf, either storn or FG is almost certainly wolf imo

So. Backpack's reads were at the time, shadow, storn, raeko, and sunfan were wolves, dusk, MML, and Xel were town. If shadow's wolf, storn and FG are definitely wolves.

Shadow didn't turn out to be a wolf and neither did Storn so there goes that, FG's still a wildcard in the next post. He also voted for Shadow in that post, which prompted Dusk to vote for Shadow on top of that. FG didn't like this from Dusk, and that she also didn't really like it from backpack either, considering the previous suspicions he had had.

From all this, FFA deduces that FG's town. No real elaboration on this. With that one out of the way, we go onto this one.

Originally Posted by Duskfall

Anyways fg is town yeah I agree, scumreads are on good people

FFA replied:

Originally Posted by flashflash account

not necessarily that I agree with her, but the reads feel pure and coming from a solvey pov

We get the elaboration on this one. He claims that the reads are "pure" and that they're comin from a "solvey point of view".

Next one:

this post from FG was responding to his initial reads list that I posted above

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

hi ffa. didn't like ind's eod so i gotta see more outta you. disagree with a few reads here too. i ain't touching storn

In response to this:

Originally Posted by flashflash account

if I wasn't a replace 90% I was on shadowgod wagon anyway
I liked DBPs callout and felt similarly when I was reading overnight

I can't quite find DBP's callout and I... have too many tabs open right now but I'd imagine it's somewhere in there.

He'd'a voted for shadowgod, yet he backed up FG as being town when she called out Dusk for sheeping DaBackPack's vote for Shadow. That's somethin that doesn't make sense to me here. I'm assuming the "callout" is in reference to storn as well. FFA put storn as a solid wolf here so there's that.


This next one doesn't really have anything to do with anything I just found this highly amusing:

Originally Posted by flashflash account

where's xel
haven't heard him yellnya in a hot minute

Originally Posted by XelNya

Originally Posted by flashflash account

...there he is

Anyways back to the task at hand.

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

sunfan: explain reversal on raeko and your wolf read on me (your reasoning's not good enough)

dbp: who are you going after today now that you were wrong about shadowgod

raeko: why didn't you go after dbp last eod?

duskfall: why did you focus on me and sg at eod instead of ind and raeko (who i think were people you pinged last phase)

please answer me thx

Dusk's answer:

Originally Posted by Duskfall

I never voted you as a scum read, I voted you because you were counter wagon to my townread. I then realised there was a good chance of you being town so I wanted to switch off you.

At the time I chose Shadowgod because it was pretty last minute and I had little options on who to wagon. Shadowgod seemed fairly safe because I didn't see them making their way out of poe

I also couldn't ask this at the time but what's poe

Which made FG ask to FFA:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

hey ffa is duskfall someone to make safe votes

FFA responded:

Originally Posted by flashflash account

hmm
his votes were pretty "safe" back in the bulbagarden hydra game
for the most part as town I would say his votes tend to be like the vote on MML or you this game

guess it could go either way, but safe isn't an adjective I associate with town duskfall
he could just be toning it down for FFR as well

Originally Posted by flashflash account

he actively votes and uses it as a weapon

This also doesn't make much sense to me. Considering again, the last part where FFA considered FG town for calling out Dusk for voting Shadow. He's backing up Dusk's response here. I'd imagine there's some other stuff outside of his iso that explains it but I'm working within the iso here.

Some pokemon posts past this... more pokemon, and then

Originally Posted by Duskfall

FFA who do you want to lynch rn?

Originally Posted by flashflash account

storn or sunfan
fg lives

So again, the responses line up with the reads, FG also lives, still lines up.

Originally Posted by Duskfall

FFA thoughts on raeko?

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I didn't like her reaching for backpack
gun to head I liked sunfan's read on her
but now sunfan has wolf equity and that makes raeko townier by association
I don't think I'm going to read raeko this game and rather solve her with poe/associative reads

again wtf is poe

Since he reads sunfan as a wolf, he's not going to read raeko is my takeaway from this.

Originally Posted by Duskfall

One of sunfan raeko is wolf p sure, I think we should be voting in them

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I feel like everyone's been noticing the weird connection between the two of them
I don't know if it's something that ever actually resolves via lynch though

Doesn't consider lynching being the solution to sunfan/raeko, yet doesn't seem to deny the possibility of it being a thing.

From this, I'm rolling a town.

Despite the fact I've played with them before, I can't really remember or deduce their playstyle into my reasoning, yet they've been consistent with their reads and how they consider the roles of the people he's deduced, so that's why I'm rolling town.

[SubaruPoptart]

Water's slowed down so I can do some stuff now.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

yes lol
am I the crazy one? Do I actually need to go back and reread?
idk what you see other than wagonomics here
she's pretty town

You are. You do.

And it's what I don't see, which is Funny doing the level of commentary that DBP has done.

Even now in this situations she's meming TForce again and just insisting that she always wanted DBP dead bit not actually always I mean later-always and it's just, like

Ok how about this, what was Funny's top 2 town's and top 2 wolves? Do you even know of she stated that much info clearly without looking? I think she did one reads d2 but it wasn't super commital and it legit left no impression on me.

And if you quote it and out doesn't have DBP as scum imma riot hard

[MixMasterLar]

POE is Process of Elimination

[flashflash account]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

You are. You do.

And it's what I don't see, which is Funny doing the level of commentary that DBP has done.

Even now in this situations she's meming TForce again and just insisting that she always wanted DBP dead bit not actually always I mean later-always and it's just, like

Ok how about this, what was Funny's top 2 town's and top 2 wolves? Do you even know of she stated that much info clearly without looking? I think she did one reads d2 but it wasn't super commital and it legit left no impression on me.

And if you quote it and out doesn't have DBP as scum imma riot hard

okay, lemme backpedal a bit
the way that I'm reading her is kind of the same as reading backpack atm
I found their D2s very comparable
for FG, it was specifically her disliking duskfall and the way she was approaching it (even though I think she's totally wrong) that I think a wolf just never thinks of

backpack is the same way, sometimes he follows logic trails that I just think a wolf isn't capable of

does that make more sense?

[flashflash account]

I will commit to rereading FGs iso from day 2 and see if I don't feel the same way
but maybe tomorrow