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yes you do. you claimed millions killed, that's alot of people. enough people that there would be reputable statistics to back up those claims.
also on twitter christians arent the fucken problem because they dont mass murder people and try to destroy western society.
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i think most people feel the same way about christianity and islam: as long as your beliefs dont affect anyone else you are free to believe them. the problem, and main difference here, is that the majority of americans have no problem imposing their christian beliefs on other people while at the same time calling islamic people in other countries backwards and extremist for doing the same thing in other countries. both are wrong! both are happening! christians saying that muslims should not impose sharia law while fighting to deny equal rights in america is very, very hypocritical. it's mostly an issue of relevance. there's not going to be sharia law in america, ever. there is however the persisting problem of christian morals trumping equality. Quote:
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but don't try to sugar coat it; christians are not fully supportive of homosexuality and republican politicians vote against legislation that defends them from discrimination. Islamist extremists don't single out homosexuals they kill whoever isn't part of their beliefs
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Here's a few iterations and more verses that complete some of what Kaj3 posted.
This is just to prove how vastly different and important who the translator is, and how texts can be interpreted differently because of it. Though there are various understandings of what Islam truly teaches, there's something clouding too many Muslim's perspectives. Iraqi and Sayria laws prohibited ISIS behavior but it's not unlike a government to become corrupt. which is currently happening Like the dealth penalty in iran Jak3 talked about. Homosexual sodomy carries the death penalty for the passive party under Article 224 of the Islamic Penal Code. The active party can only be punished by death if he is married and forced the sexual act. A non-Muslim active party in homosexual sodomy is also subject to the death penalty under Article 224 of the Islamic Penal Code. Lesbianism is punishable by death if the offender is sentenced and received a lashing on three previous occasions for the same crime.
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you should be right, but you aren't allow let me break it down a) even if there were tens of millions of homosexual killings across the continent (there aren't) the vast majority of nations involved would be in total denial of it regardless of internal or external pressure and would avoid keeping "reputable statistics" b) even if they were not in total denial and governments were keenly aware of the actions they were perpetrating they still wouldn't keep reputable records on the subject because it would make them totally fucking culpable c) even if the killings were done by non-government entities and you somehow managed to garner enough internal and/or external pressures to get the governments in question to keep track of them (which you wouldn't, by the way) they would still lack the statistical infrastructure to carry out any record keeping within the same dimension as "reputable" d) even if you could muster a literal army of aid workers and humanitarian entities to go to africa that were capable of faithfully producing reputable statistics on this subject there is not a single universe in the fucking infinite multiverse in which every single country would be amenable to housing such a force within their borders e) even if the governments in question were ostensibly keen on, and capable of producing these statistics, they would be bought out or outright killed by the perpetrating party before they could accomplish their task case in point the aids epidemic has killed tens of millions of people on the african continent but do you know why all we have are estimates of aids deaths? Because that's the fucking best we can do. all of you live in a giant first world bubble (save for a couple) and most of you have absolutely no concept of how the world operates outside of that bubble which is why this same discussion that all of you are having now has been continuing since the beginning of civilization and will continue on until the end of it Last edited by MinaciousGrace; 06-18-2016 at 11:47 PM.. |
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okay so should we simply kill all muslims then or
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idk i havent been paying attention to anything in this thread but the invocation of stats calls to me
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it does have relevance. a christian country basically had sharia law regarding homosexuals for a short time. the only reason they don't now is because they're concerned about how it makes them look to other countries. basically if they could get away with it they would. Quote:
https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/wp-...dans-FINAL.pdf here are some recent assaults: https://76crimes.com/2015/10/23/outb...cks-in-uganda/ and here's a new law recently passed in uganda: https://76crimes.com/2016/02/25/new-...ti-repression/ Quote:
also while i was out looking i found this: aaaand this: https://homofobiamata.files.wordpres...o-ing-2014.pdf from the united states: Quote:
but that's just 2014 here's 2015: https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/201...tics-available christians and muslims can all do terrible shit it turns out. hate doesnt belong to just one group. the idea that christians don't commit hate crimes is crazy. south america accounts for most of the transgender murders in the world, both in absolute numbers and per capita. btw south america is vast majority christian, in case you were wondering. Last edited by Rojaf; 06-19-2016 at 03:21 AM.. |
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I wondered how many people died due to the US "policing" the world
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-has-...war-ii/5492051 oh you terrorists
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the basic premise really isnt. who do you think is keeping track of people in third world countries, gay or otherwise?
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i mean estimating deaths is a huge questionmark but you can probably get a good guess at order of magnitude if not any actual number.
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oh right what would i know i've only spent half of the last decade working in africa inside their national statistical offices being paid absurd amounts of money to watch them completely fail at their jobs
you think you can know shit because you google and wikipedia statistics on topics you don't understand in countries you've never been to yeah fuck you. you don't know shit @rojaf You are correct practical implementation of indirect estimation is a fairly nuanced field and in the absence of civil registration and vital statistics systems it's the best you can get. If multiple different approaches yield values within the same order of magnitude you can be pretty certain your guess is correct but you're never going to know for certain and even within the field there are pretty ferocious debates over methodology. If nothing else scintill's link should be fairly good evidence of that. Actually if you want a better example consider this, albinos are hunted to death across the entire of the african continent because their body parts are considered to be potent in witchcraft. Everyone knows it (i mean except for all of you people here because you only pay attention to humanitarian crises that catch your eye), and everyone knows the official counts from reported incidents and everyone knows that those likely make up a small enough percentage of actual killings that really we have no fucking clue how many people are dying and where idk maybe u can go wikipedia this shit and pretend to be informed Last edited by MinaciousGrace; 06-19-2016 at 08:35 PM.. |
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the reports i read though are primarily about military events though and the statistics are recorded by multiple sources. so i see numbers about french action in mali, boko haram activity in nigeria, niger delta avengers, etc. and not so much humanitarian related so i dont get those sent to my inbox. ok cool. which countries? because i'm guessing if youre not in northern africa or south africa i'm willing to believe you because africa mostly sucks ass at almost everything. but then again wikipedia and google could be wrong OHOHO. if the disparity between military/political recordkeeping and humanitarian recordkeeping actually is so large, then coolio you won an internet argument and i hope they actually do their jobs so liberals dont have to speculate about discrimination against gay people in africa and expect it to be a valid argument against the larger, more concrete numbers and evidence there are of islamic nations and people committing atrocities against western civilization, which is ultimately the real problem and why this thread is relevant in the first place.
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either way, what options does hatred against islam give to stop terrorism? what will we do once everyone believes that islam, and not radical islam, is the greatest threat to mankind? what options does stricter gun laws give to stop murder? what happens when all states require more thorough background checks, and or even the plans made by Obama are put into action? more specifically, what do you think will happen?
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MORE VIOLENCE!
WHAT WE NEED IS MORE VIOLENCE! DO YOU FEEL LIKE SHOOTING US? WE'LL SHOOT YOU! REVENGE IS THE ONLY JUSTICE! CAPITAL PUNISHMENT? DEATH SENTENCE? DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE 20TH CENTURY? WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ANYMORE! WHAT, ARE YOU STUPID? BUT IF YOU KILL US, WE KILL YOU! RADICAL ISLAM SLAUGHTERING US? SLAUGHTER THEM! MORE VIOLENCE!
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