Perfect World

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz

I'm not paying $15/mo. to play ANY game. I will NEVER play any game that costs me something after I leave the store. It goes against every fabric of my being.

Aion is a p2p game so I guess that's out of the question for you. But that gameplay/graphics are quite amazing, you might actually want to try it before you knock it (same goes for global agenda).

As for PW: I've got a grudge against the game. I don't play it anymore but when I did, I played on a private server. The leveling of this game just takes for ****ing ever. I'm not complaining that it's as bad as Maple, but honestly it gets quite boring until the 100+ monsters.

Not to mention the whole, "hey I think it'll be a great idea to just try and render the graphics of a huge ****ing map with hundreads of people on it because we want to be no oh what lag? don't even worry about that just turn your settings to the lowest possible visual display and don't worry about users complaining we gave them the ability to fly at lvl 1!"

[All_That_Chaz]

I'm not knocking any specific game. I'm sure Aion is a fantastic game, but I'm not going to play it because it charges you a monthly fee.

I have no trouble running PW on max settings.

[fido123]

Why does it go against your morals (or fabric of being)? Take WoW for an example. It takes money to maintain those servers and run, not to mention fund the teams working on various content to expand the game. I can understand not wanting to pay a monthly fee but morally, I see no problem with it.

[All_That_Chaz]

Expansions existed before MMOs. Nobody else required monthly payments. Games that required servers to run existed before MMOs. Nobody else required monthly payments. I'm aware of the cost associated with developing and maintaining games. I have no problem with paying for expansions as they come but charging me every month to play the same game forever is wrong.

Don't get me wrong, Blizzard has a hell of a racket because rich spoiled children can always get their parents to keep paying for them. It's good that they can exploit people like that. People willing to pay that money don't deserve to keep their money.

I, on the other hand, refuse to pay for a product after I leave the store. If they want my business then they need a different business model.

PS I don't shop at WalMart because of my issues with their control of the supply chain. I am a very principled (stubborn) person when it comes to economics.

[Kibblre]

I got to Level 18 on PW and stopped. Nothing really kept me hooked.

[All_That_Chaz]

Seriously, if you quit before lvl30 you miss 99% of the game.

[Sir Psycho]

I'm downloading this now. I'll check it out when it finishes.

[fullmetal_alchemist027]

Ill just keep playing Kal Online and Median XL mod for Diablo II Heard PW was interesting though...

[All_That_Chaz]

Originally Posted by Sir Psycho

I'm downloading this now. I'll check it out when it finishes.

Sweet, make an account on the Dreamweaver server. I usually at least get on at midnight EST to do dailies with Chazze. If you have questions feel free to PM me in-game.

[fido123]

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz

Expansions existed before MMOs. Nobody else required monthly payments. Games that required servers to run existed before MMOs. Nobody else required monthly payments. I'm aware of the cost associated with developing and maintaining games. I have no problem with paying for expansions as they come but charging me every month to play the same game forever is wrong.

Don't get me wrong, Blizzard has a hell of a racket because rich spoiled children can always get their parents to keep paying for them. It's good that they can exploit people like that. People willing to pay that money don't deserve to keep their money.

I, on the other hand, refuse to pay for a product after I leave the store. If they want my business then they need a different business model.

PS I don't shop at WalMart because of my issues with their control of the supply chain. I am a very principled (stubborn) person when it comes to economics.

The thing is a lot of stuff is released every patch. Whole raids are being released every few months and they take a lot of work and a lot of time to make. Also the servers are probably under a much heavier load than any other MMO I know of, and it takes teams of IT workers to maintain them. There's also customer support that's actually from North America on phone, in game, and via e-mail. They also have to make some profit to which I agree they make a lot of.

[MrRubix]

I feel the same way. If I bought the game in the store, that should be a done deal. P2P games just aren't my thing, but mainly because I have yet to find a game that is so enthralling, intellectually stimulating, fun, and epic enough to make the monthly fee worthwhile for me. $15 a month to grind? No thanks.

[All_That_Chaz]

Originally Posted by fido123

The thing is a lot of stuff is released every patch. Whole raids are being released every few months and they take a lot of work and a lot of time to make. Also the servers are probably under a much heavier load than any other MMO I know of, and it takes teams of IT workers to maintain them. There's also customer support that's actually from North America on phone, in game, and via e-mail. They also have to make some profit to which I agree they make a lot of.

If they charged me whenever I downloaded a patch, I would think differently. My issue is that they're not charging me at the point of purchase. Instead they're just charging me constantly with the promise of new material. If I have a busy month and don't play, I'm still out $15. I don't care what they're doing behind the scenes to maintain the game. That's not important me. Every aspect of that is a decision made by them on how to use the money we pay them. It has no bearing on whether or not they get my money.

[Sir Psycho]

Wizard, names Tesselia.

[Squeek]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

I feel the same way. If I bought the game in the store, that should be a done deal. P2P games just aren't my thing, but mainly because I have yet to find a game that is so enthralling, intellectually stimulating, fun, and epic enough to make the monthly fee worthwhile for me. $15 a month to grind? No thanks.

Just in case you're talking about WoW here, there's no level grind in WoW at all. They want people to hit level cap in a month or two or casual play. That's when it gets fun.

A year ago I would've agreed with you that the concept of paying to own a game that you must pay to play is absurd, but WoW really is that good of a game.