TWG CXLIX Infractions and general OOTC stuff

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

It was long before you started playing. He had access to another players account due to them being IRL friends, and logged into the account to check the other player's PM on two separate occasions.

I'd like to remind you all that rzr will probably be upset enough with whatever decision is made pertaining to his ban. Please be bigger people and refrain from baiting him. Deal out the punishment and try to move on.

If it's been such a long while I think a harsh ban of like 8 - 10 games would be better and then next one is perma regardless

if it's been that long?

[Tokzic]

I like Manti's ban lengths. 2 games for Hakulyte, 6 games for Rzr.

[thesunfan]

Haku has requested to be banned for 9 months so that'll happen at Haku's request

I think rzr deserves at least as much, personally. I do want to know a bit more from Manti about previous incidents if possible before rzr's ban is decided

[rzr]

Just ch ecking in on you mofos. Would like to reiterate for Manti I'm not bothered by any ban but I am bother by nobody acknowledging baiting in this instance.

Haku will spill his beans and mess up another game
For those of you that don't know what Manti refers to, I played about 8 years ago with an irl friend and got banned for pulling a red blaster. Have I gone 8years proving I'm an adult and then getting screwed in this situation with that idiot? Yep. Would I have kept cheating and stayed in the game WSINCE I KNEW DBP WAS TOWN BECAUSE I WAS TOLD BY A DEAD PERSON WHILE U WAS ALIVE AND ATTACKING DBP? Yep. But it doesn't matter. I'm working in a place dealing with similar laws to what you guys attempt to enforce. No hard feelings or animosty I just don't want to be misrepresented here dohoho. Have fun guys feel free to have a mod strip my credits and hand em out like candy, people on this site are so wrapped up in their own importance it's the reason people like Zenith and I are forced to be reserved. We expect no less.. Maybe he does that's the problem.

The tokzic and vendettas and roundboxs are the only players here that are worth being defined as such, everyone else is just a mod prospect.

I'll see you in epic, I'll see you on daily, he'll I'll see you on my alts here if I wanted to. Have fun being petty instead of trying to enforce rules Nd just playing games creating ban lengths.

Cheers to the real dudes man, and choof you should probably just kill yourself like you keep bragging about. Edit that if you want yosh. Good luck guys see you on other sites

[rzr]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

Haku has requested to be banned for 9 months so that'll happen at Haku's request

I think rzr deserves at least as much, personally. I do want to know a bit more from Manti about previous incidents if possible before rzr's ban is decided

Hope that answers your question since getting things out of Manti is as frustrating as synthlight. Seriously tho my intentions were never negative or to cheat, so have fun throwing dirt all over that without addressing any of what Wed talked about. You will eventually see the same decline for the same reasons that I did. I'm no madmatt, but if you treat everyone that way then they will act that way. Bye guyz

[choof]

Originally Posted by rzr

you should probably just kill yourself like you keep bragging about

obv you haven't been paying attention but I haven't had a single suicidal thought in over two months so keep going for the low blows you caustic pile of shit

post reported, here's to a significantly long ban so we don't have to deal with you and so that you have the chance to better yourself instead of looking for validation

[choof]

you've said "bye guys" at least three times in this thread and yet you still keep posting lmao

[thesunfan]

we're not addressing it because there's nothing we can go off of other than your word. You have provided no evidence of the events you claim to have occurred. If there was something other than your word, which you know is now in doubt after a thread like this gets made, we might be talking differently.

Well, probably not anymore after how you attacked people in the post you just made, but before that, definitely.

[Charu]

wow

[Charu]

Like... wow

[Charu]

I mean egging someone on to kill themselves?

What the fuck bro

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by rzr

nastiness

perma thanks

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by rzr

Seriously tho my intentions were never negative or to cheatz

lol

rzr has officially been perma'd from ffr twg as of now as well

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by rzr

Just checking in on you mofos. Would like to reiterate for Manti I'm not bothered by any ban but I am bother by nobody acknowledging baiting in this instance.

You cooperated with me the entire way.
You didn't report me.
You didn't try to stop me.
What you did to me is called "Honor Among Thieves".
You tried to stay on good terms with me and didn't question why it was happening.
I eventually couldn't tolerate both of us cheating and went rogue on you and reported.
I hoped this thread would help you come up with explanations as to why you were cheating "with me".
I didn't intend this thread to be a platform to point fingers at each others and being like "he's more wrong than me".
I did bait you to some extend in the sense that I'm a new player, approached you, asked things and it eventually evolved into this mess, but if I was really fully to blame, you should have reported me. You should have taken actions to help yourself.
You did nothing of that. Why? You really just don't care? That's like the part that I hoped you would explain. Your posts here so far just make yourself look bad as if you don't care anymore.

Originally Posted by rzr

Seriously tho my intentions were never negative or to cheat

fmpov:

You wanted to win.
You decided to cheat to increase your chances of winning.
Your intent was to win.
Your action was to cheat with me to win.

You tunneled on "wanting to win" over questioning if "cheating" was a reasonable mean for winning.

Your "intentions" were never negative or to cheat
That's correct.
but..
Your "actions" were both negative and directly cheating.

You see, you did the exact same stupid thing as me.
What we did also fits in the definition of wrong. Accept it. I have to as well.
I just did the first step, I reported us. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have done that.
I'm not expecting a "thank you", I'm just hoping you sit back and think at what happened a little and self-reflect from it in the future. I'll take care of myself. If I don't, they'll "take care" of me anyway.

Originally Posted by rzr

Haku will spill his beans and mess up another game

Feel free to laugh if it happens in the future. It will just prove that I failed to evolve as a person from before and after that ban length. I'm more upset at the fact that you don't seems to want to realize that you have the same problem as me.

Considering the rest of your post um.. I don't even want to comment on that.

Originally Posted by YoshL

lol

rzr has officially been perma'd from ffr twg as of now as well

Well, rip..

Originally Posted by thesunfan

Ben has been far too inactive in games he has signed up for. He almost always (but not always) has a negative impact on games by signing up for them and going inactive, forcing either a replacement, lynch or modkill on his slot. I think that this warrants a ban, as does Yoshl. 5 games is what I was thinking here.

Zenith replaced out in an awkward time for mostly emotional reasons (though he did cite irl reasons as well) and left his wolf team in an incredibly awkward position (which was recovered about as well as it possibly could've been, and still managed to have a clearly negative impact on the game). I think that this is probably the trickiest thing being addressed here, but I do think it warrants a ban because signing up for a game is essentially declaring that you're going to be able to put up with the emotional aspect of the game, which he was unable to do. I think that it is the most forgivable of the actions that took place, something like 2-3 games is what I was thinking here.

Have you tried to contact them directly about their own situation? I think that's a necessary step for deciding what to do about it.

You could ask:
"Why are they doing this"
"Do they intend to keep doing it"
"What would be a reasonable course of action so it doesn't happen again"

Based on what they answer, you can decide for the ban length.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Charu

I mean egging someone on to kill themselves?

What the fuck bro

If anything I feel bad for him, he is taking his anger about his wife leaving him on others who don't deserve it.

Wish ya the best rzr. Hope you find yourself soon <3

[YoshL]

iirc his wife didnt leave him? idk lol w/e

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Have you tried to contact them directly about their own situation?

god that is SO SMART

I don't know if I agree that their ban lengths should be determined by anything other than what has transpired already to this point, but regardless, talking to the people you're banning is so smart. how long will they be out for? a few games. what happens then? they start playing again, probably. will a short ban lead them to want to correct whatever their behavior was? I don't really think so. if you care about your community and the people you play with, talk to them. directly. not on the forums.

(@ something about ben and zenith)

[Hakulyte]

I also think bans should work in reverse.

e.g: You ban someone until they contact you and then you reduce the ban accordingly if needed.

It's going to force them to contact you and explain themselves.

At least, that's what I would do to keep things simple and avoid being stuck contacting everyone every time about their bans if this logic was followed.

[Red Blaster]

I think the question now that we've got rzr and Haku resolved is: does banning Ben actually do anything to fix the problem at hand?

[thesunfan]

I've talked to both of them, and in Ben's case, its not the first time we've talked
Zenith hasn't responded