Official Tier Point System Thread

[star reaper]

This is awesome i hope changes will happen within the next month or so!

[Frank Munoz]

I has 380 touhou points.

Anyways,
nice to see we're not just updating the engine^^.

[i love you]

Alright guys, just wanted to let you guys know that I'm going to be out the whole day this Friday so expect the new thread to be made at either Saturday or Sunday. If there is nothing by that time then PLEASE BY ALL MEANS, wait on Monday. (It should be made by Saturday though assuming that I do not run into anything that day)

[SocoNhydro420]

I've been wondering when TPs would get updated. There's a TON of fmo/fgos that aren't on there and should be. I 'm super excited with this :3

Also, I think that whoever has the job of messing with the TPs should add songs to it AS they get released. This would be a hell of a lot easier then waiting till we have a load of new songs to add and no one wants to do all that work and it gets put off more.

[qqwref]

I'm actually not sure it's a good idea to have the most recent songs on the TP list. If we do, it basically means that you need to keep totally up-to-date with FFR charts in order to have an appropriate number of TPs. Take a break for a few months and you'll be behind (i.e. you'll have fewer TPs than you deserve). I think the best system would be one that tries to eliminate as many non-skill-based factors as possible.

[SocoNhydro420]

Yeah that makes sense qqwerf, but fcs and AAAs do that, why not TPs?

[Ninty64]

I think the main reason is because Tier Points are supposed to show skill. Your skill shouldn't become 'worse' just because a new song was added. You're still as good as you were before.

[qqwref]

TPs are supposed be a better and fairer judge of skill than FCs, AAAs, or average rank. Otherwise, why would we have the TP system at all? I don't think anyone wants another complicated ranking if it doesn't improve the situation

[justin_ator]

Perhaps we should just limit new releases from the TP system for a month until after they are released? Idk, throwing out ideas.

[SocoNhydro420]

I think you guys are being just a little silly about it, by your reasoning we should NEVER add new songs to the TPs because people who dont play for like a week will have a bad representation of there skill untill they play.

Besides, adding one or two songs at a time wouldn't change how good they look very much at all. The tier point bar would just be like, 10 points higher and their TPs would stay the same. Not a noticible difference in my opinion.

[Elite Ninja]

Originally Posted by justin_ator

Perhaps we should just limit new releases from the TP system for a month until after they are released? Idk, throwing out ideas.

This is what I was thinking.

[rushyrulz]

If someone doesn't play for a month their skill is going to drop anyway..

[Ninty64]

Originally Posted by SocoNhydro420

Besides, adding one or two songs at a time wouldn't change how good they look very much at all. The tier point bar would just be like, 10 points higher and their TPs would stay the same. Not a noticible difference in my opinion.

I actually tried to delete my post because I didn't like it, but it wouldn't let me The point I meant to make in the post was that if you add most of the songs to tier points, then tier points may become another 'completionist' bar; it won't be as indictive of skill. But I realized that I can't think of any better way to do it, so that's why I wanted to delete my post.

I would like new songs to be added to the system, but it's complicated. If you use a system where you need a percentage of points to advance tier levels, then adding new points to tiers that you previously completed could cause you to no longer meet the requirements for your current tier. You could:
1. Never decrease someone's tier level (let them get grandfathered in), or
2. Decrease their tier level, which would mean adding new tier points actually would affect them.

[jimerax]

AAAs, averank, etc = Just simple stats that are automatically calculated.
TP = Accurate indicator of skills calculated with complicated system, and we need to update the system manually.

A month is a good interval for active players to play the song at least once. Also, updating the system everytime new songs are added requires us a lot of work, and benefits from it don't match the effort imo. Req songs will be updated periodically, anyways.

[YoshL]

also, i think that you can potentially pick and choose certain songs for Tier points: ones that force the player to use different skills, i.e. jacking, js, trills, bursts, rolls, etc.

[SocoNhydro420]

Originally Posted by jimerax

AAAs, averank, etc = Just simple stats that are automatically calculated.
TP = Accurate indicator of skills calculated with complicated system, and we need to update the system manually.

A month is a good interval for active players to play the song at least once. Also, updating the system everytime new songs are added requires us a lot of work, and benefits from it don't match the effort imo. Req songs will be updated periodically, anyways.

I don't know anything about how complicated adding tps is, so I just assumed it was easy to add a song to the list. All I meant was that frequent small and easy updates beats one long, hard, and frustrating update haha. But like I said I know nothing about how it works so I could easilly be dead wrong. Just making a suggestion though :3

[qqwref]

Originally Posted by YOSHl

also, i think that you can potentially pick and choose certain songs for Tier points: ones that force the player to use different skills, i.e. jacking, js, trills, bursts, rolls, etc.

We're going to try to do this, although FFR songs do represent different skills unevenly. One thing we're thinking about is to disregard charts that are much harder to FC than to PA, because those tend to show skill unfairly (23-1-0-10 is much much better than 10-0-2-4).

Originally Posted by SocoNhydro420

All I meant was that frequent small and easy updates beats one long, hard, and frustrating update haha.3

Actually, personally I'd rather spend an hour on something every month than 15 minutes every week. At least with doing it all at once there would be less to keep track of and have responsibility for.

[raskanally]

To address the adding of new TP songs.
What about instead of all these different tiers.
We make 2 new bars.
We would leave the one thats their right now the way it is.
But make these ones for the lower difficulty songs and for the new ones that are being added.
One for 8-10 and one for 11-13
Just another thought so that it would keep the people who dont play a lot with a full TP bar.
All it would mean is that they didn't always have the time to do the new ones.
It could be updated with the new songs on the 1st of every month with the recent songs added in the past month.
Just a thought.

[i love you]

Attention Community,

Expect the thread to be made sometime today. I can not really give you a specific time though but it WILL be made today!

[TC_Pr0]

Originally Posted by i love you

Attention Community,

Expect the thread to be made sometime today. I can not really give you a specific time though but it WILL be made today!

I'm pretty sure God said this about the ten commandments.