Official Tier Point System Thread - Page 15

**One Winged Angel** · 05-12-2011, 04:53 PM

bumping this because I'm bored and I want to try and nab some more tier points soon

and also because it's been months since we had that huge discussion about revamping the TP system and I'm curious if any progress has been made

**igotrhythm** · 05-12-2011, 08:07 PM

^ Valid, since this is a sticky and thus it's not a bump in the strictest sense.

As painful as it is for me to say this, perhaps we should wait until people get into the swing of summer vacation for any real progress on this? From what I've seen so far, opinions on how the new system should be laid out are like assholes: Everyone's got one.

I'm taking back my ST-accumulation idea, however, as while a wide variety of skills are tested in getting them, there was an "Easy Skill Token" even some years ago that would unfairly speed people along in that regard. I'm also seeing a fair bit of complaining about some of the higher requirements (if anyone has a right to bitch about the CP trill, I think Dossar's right up there).

One more thing that I'm noticing: I have the 1/x on Momentary Life due to good PA even though I got two misses in the last 25 notes. Also, at least three times I've fallen a boo short of a TP and still got the point, but with a red asterisk. Dunno if the first problem is solvable, but maybe the second could be tweaked?

**jimerax** · 05-12-2011, 09:26 PM

well not much progress on this recently, but we don't forget about this.

basically current one will remain (some req changes will be done), and semi-tier system (easier songs) will be added along with this.

Niala · 05-12-2011, 09:33 PM

Rhythm, when you get a score with a red asterisk, it means that you met the physical definition of what you needed to fulfill the requirement, but your score wasn't technically what it wanted. It's like when the requirement is SDG, and you get 9 goods and a boo, your score is technically worse than an SDG, but you still technically met the requirement.

**Sweagen** · 05-12-2011, 10:36 PM

Can somebody tell me how many AAAs I need before I start receiving tier points for them? I have like 348 and am just wondering.

**Ziergdsx18** · 05-12-2011, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweagen

Can somebody tell me how many AAAs I need before I start receiving tier points for them? I have like 348 and am just wondering.

You don't necessarily need to AAA a song to get Tier Points. Just by scoring decently can earn you some.

These are the songs you can get Tier Points from:

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...evel_tiers.php

p.s To check the all of the requirements for each song just click on "Requirements".

**One Winged Angel** · 05-12-2011, 11:15 PM

I think he's talking about the AAA bonus lol

you'll get your first TP for total AAA count at 380 AAAs

edit: the list for total AAA count and corresponding TPs rewarded is at the bottom of the first post of this thread
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...64820&page=182

**DTShady** · 05-13-2011, 07:03 AM

Easier Tier Points will be awesome. It will show just how skilled the not so awesome players are. I'm pretty confident I could get points on most 8s and some 9s as long as the reqs look the same as the current ones.

**Sweagen** · 05-13-2011, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

I think he's talking about the AAA bonus lol

you'll get your first TP for total AAA count at 380 AAAs

edit: the list for total AAA count and corresponding TPs rewarded is at the bottom of the first post of this thread
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...64820&page=182

Ohhh yes, those were what I was talking about, and thanks.

Someone should really copy and paste that into this thread...

**emulord** · 05-13-2011, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DTShady

Easier Tier Points will be awesome. It will show just how skilled the not so awesome players are. I'm pretty confident I could get points on most 8s and some 9s as long as the reqs look the same as the current ones.

^ This.
Also, having tons of 10s, 11s, and 12s is kind of silly. Club and AIM Anthem are basically the same song, so why do we have both on the list?
For medium skilled players, getting a few lucky PAs of 11s or mash scores isnt as good measure of skill as someone who can PA 8s and 9s.

**qqwref** · 05-13-2011, 04:03 PM

First: the current TP system is specifically meant to compare the best players, that's why the requirements are so tough. If you're at the level where all your TPs are from lucky PA or mash scores, you shouldn't be working on TPs yet.

Second: 10s, 11s, and 12s are great. You'd have more fun with those files if you tried actually playing them, instead of, y'know, mashing everything.

**emulord** · 05-13-2011, 06:04 PM

Well, 10s, 11s and 12s can be fun. But some are just bland or "technical" and unfun. How about everyone votes on their favorite 5 hard charts and make a list from that?

**rushyrulz** · 05-13-2011, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by igotrhythm

From what I've seen so far, opinions on how the new system should be laid out are like assholes: Everyone's got one.

I would siggy this if it weren't full rofl

**igotrhythm** · 05-20-2011, 05:31 PM

Hey, a major error in the TP scale as it is right now.

2/5 on Eradication is "50 or fewer", right? Well, after mashing out a 49-12-0-39 on it and still getting the second TP, I went into the page and did some math. The figure given for 50 or fewer on that song is too low: Specifically, it works out to something between 75 and 80 goods. Here's what it should really say.

275*50=13750
2080100 (the score for an AAA) - 13750 = 2066350

It may mean docking myself and a few others in that range a TP, but I don't believe in getting stuff I don't deserve on a technicality.

Edit: Oh, this is a sweet feature. On your TP Stats page, you can click your AAA count and it will show you which songs you've nailed. I never noticed that before.

**ScarletSky** · 05-20-2011, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

I would siggy this if it weren't full rofl

I've heard that saying so many times, it's just been edited to fit this situation.
Original phrase:
"Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one."

It's completely unfunny at this point in the game. -__-

**3lijah** · 05-21-2011, 01:35 AM

I really should go for more of them, I can definitely get most of these... even though some of them arent going to have the best pa ever

**i love you** · 09-6-2011, 10:51 AM

Bump. Just going to repost what I have said on that one thread that got locked earlier today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by i love you

The current Tier Point system is complete crap because it does not support lower tier players and that some of the higher requirements are indeed near-impossible for most of the players on this site. I COULD fix up the tier points but at this point, I do not even have the motivation to do so because this site have honestly turned into complete crap and it makes me wonder if I even care about this site anymore. Also, I would like to mention that the current Tier Point system is NOT completely my fault (in case people want to pull that card) and here's why:

The original update to the new tier point system was just to update the current songs, at the time, using the OLD SYSTEM but at the same time, adding additional (10/10) or higher requirements to songs that quality for them. Problem was that Sprite- said that he was not able to add (10/10) or higher requirements into the system so then he suggested that we just make the whole system stricter all together so that what we did and look how it turned out to be. I even tried asking lightdarkness to see if he could fix up the code/database side of that but after the hundreds of times I have tried PMing/asking him on AIM, he never responded so that tells me that he did not care enough to respond back to someone like me.

So yeah, if someone on this site have the motivation to fix up the tier points, that would be nice. Actually you know what, how about we fix up the tier points AS A COMMUNITY? Like we could literally make a thread about it, post the current tier point system and people on this site can point out the things that we need to change/add into the current tier point system. This will prove that the community is more important/smarter than just a group of staff members who think that they know what is best for the site.

Just saying.

EDIT: Original Thread: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=120322

PS: From scrolling around this thread, there is still a lot of good ideas I have seen so far so perhaps you guys can scroll back to see if you agree with any of those or just come up with your own etc.

**krunkykai22** · 09-6-2011, 11:17 AM

I personally think there needs to be a MASSIVE discussion on the entire thing and start fresh over with the conversation. Bring up previous ideas and just involve EVERYONE. Put up a "new" thread "Official Tier Point System V2" with a notice on the front page describing that this new thread would emphasize the COMMUNITY giving Ideas and coming up with the new system rather than a select few people.

**ScarletSky** · 09-6-2011, 11:21 AM

^
that x1000

it does need a major haul-over too. =S

**Xayphon** · 09-6-2011, 11:22 AM

I'm okay with that... just don't let it end up in a flame war

05-12-2011, 09:26 PM	#283
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread well not much progress on this recently, but we don't forget about this. basically current one will remain (some req changes will be done), and semi-tier system (easier songs) will be added along with this.

05-12-2011, 09:33 PM	#284
Niala (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fredericton Age: 33 Posts: 1,696	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread Rhythm, when you get a score with a red asterisk, it means that you met the physical definition of what you needed to fulfill the requirement, but your score wasn't technically what it wanted. It's like when the requirement is SDG, and you get 9 goods and a boo, your score is technically worse than an SDG, but you still technically met the requirement.

05-12-2011, 10:36 PM	#285
Sweagen FFR Veteran Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 29 Posts: 333	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread Can somebody tell me how many AAAs I need before I start receiving tier points for them? I have like 348 and am just wondering.

05-13-2011, 07:03 AM	#288
DTShady Yum! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: * Posts: 34	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread Easier Tier Points will be awesome. It will show just how skilled the not so awesome players are. I'm pretty confident I could get points on most 8s and some 9s as long as the reqs look the same as the current ones.

05-13-2011, 04:03 PM	#291
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread First: the current TP system is specifically meant to compare the best players, that's why the requirements are so tough. If you're at the level where all your TPs are from lucky PA or mash scores, you shouldn't be working on TPs yet. Second: 10s, 11s, and 12s are great. You'd have more fun with those files if you tried actually playing them, instead of, y'know, mashing everything. __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

05-13-2011, 06:04 PM	#292
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread Well, 10s, 11s and 12s can be fun. But some are just bland or "technical" and unfun. How about everyone votes on their favorite 5 hard charts and make a list from that?

05-21-2011, 01:35 AM	#296
3lijah This ma coo coo face Join Date: Apr 2007 Age: 33 Posts: 885	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread I really should go for more of them, I can definitely get most of these... even though some of them arent going to have the best pa ever __________________ BEST AAAs: Fluttershy (Monster Mix), S.E.B. in B.E.D., EHHS, Dreadnought [Heavy], .357 Magnum, Destination of the Heart, Oops, Boot, Puzzle, Colorful Course, BLACKFLAGS: Spaceman, A FLOWER GARDEN, Paraclete, Just Why, Pussy Pump, Future Destination BEST SDGs: Casino fire Kotomi-chan(7-0-0-1), Shitsubou Choco(7-0-0-0) Adventures of Lolo(7-0-0-3), Louder!! Louder!!!! Louder!!!!!!(3-0-0-1), Great Battleship(3-0-0-0), Shatterscape (Bexarametric Remix)(5-0-0-1)

09-6-2011, 11:17 AM	#298
krunkykai22 <3 Jumpstream <3 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Middle of nowhere Age: 37 Posts: 5,436	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread I personally think there needs to be a MASSIVE discussion on the entire thing and start fresh over with the conversation. Bring up previous ideas and just involve EVERYONE. Put up a "new" thread "Official Tier Point System V2" with a notice on the front page describing that this new thread would emphasize the COMMUNITY giving Ideas and coming up with the new system rather than a select few people.

09-6-2011, 11:21 AM	#299
ScarletSky FFR Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Keizer, OR; USA Age: 30 Posts: 1,811	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread ^ that x1000 it does need a major haul-over too. =S __________________

09-6-2011, 11:22 AM	#300
Xayphon sausage Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,630	Re: Official Tier Point System Thread I'm okay with that... just don't let it end up in a flame war

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