Old 07-13-2019, 10:23 AM   #4101
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By this i mean

Yeah the item stealer was the defence

Yes thats what it was

Totally just that

Just

That
My response to haku was that he already knew based on the info i gave yesterday that they are all one time use until i refresh

Which guess what

The item taker was already used

Fair assumption that i cant use it again last night

Riiiiiiiight
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Old 07-13-2019, 10:49 AM   #4102
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I hope WV shows up soon to tell us about sunfan's item
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Old 07-13-2019, 11:04 AM   #4103
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I don't think dai's save hit. Pretty sure dai was the nk.
Based on what? Because that feels like it should be pretty big news if true.
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Based on what? Because that feels like it should be pretty big news if true.
fox fire results showed someone who I guess is investigative immune because I didn't get their name? as well as a visitor presumably responsible for the save. Combine this with daikyi being the obvious wolf target (especially considering they would have had negative indication that daikyi was saveable as of last night) and I can only infer this is what happened.
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Old 07-13-2019, 11:18 AM   #4105
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So there's a second person with guard powers (since I assume Daikyi couldn't have used his power on himself?)

Without saying who it was, did you get told who the visitor was?
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So there's a second person with guard powers (since I assume Daikyi couldn't have used his power on himself?)

Without saying who it was, did you get told who the visitor was?
Besides the one, I received the name(s) associated with the other visit(s), yes.
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Also as a rules knowledge thing: Does the fact that there was a visitor who presumably did the saving imply somebody with a native targeted saving power, versus using an item? Or would somebody using an item still "visit" for these purposes?
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Also as a rules knowledge thing: Does the fact that there was a visitor who presumably did the saving imply somebody with a native targeted saving power, versus using an item? Or would somebody using an item still "visit" for these purposes?
Depends on the wording of the item, but probably would count. The possibility of a one shot isn't ruled out.
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So this is just outright good news yes? We think the wolves failed a kill, there could possibly be a second person with guarding powers, and you almost certainly know who they are.
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So this is just outright good news yes? We think the wolves failed a kill, there could possibly be a second person with guarding powers, and you almost certainly know who they are.
There's a caveat or two, but yeah, it's nice to square away some names.
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I feel like we have to assume the guarding that was used on Daikyi if it was a guarding preventing a kill, was a one-shot, because if it's repeatable, we've basically won and that would be too easy for the level of complexity for this game.
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I feel like we have to assume the guarding that was used on Daikyi if it was a guarding preventing a kill, was a one-shot, because if it's repeatable, we've basically won and that would be too easy for the level of complexity for this game.
This is kind of what I was thinking, but it's plausible since Dai is only an even medic.
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fox fire results showed someone who I guess is investigative immune because I didn't get their name? as well as a visitor presumably responsible for the save. Combine this with daikyi being the obvious wolf target (especially considering they would have had negative indication that daikyi was saveable as of last night) and I can only infer this is what happened.
So if we assume hidden visitor was the wolf, and visible visitor was the guard, I still want to know how this gets us to Dafty dead in the night.
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So if we assume hidden visitor was the wolf, and visible visitor was the guard, I still want to know how this gets us to Dafty dead in the night.
Probably shot. I don't care to speculate how; if somebody knows, they'd best say. If they don't, then I assume they have a reason to keep it to themselves.

It could also all be wrong and Dafty is actually the wolf kill but that's a dumb world on a few different levels.
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I can't think of a single reason for somebody who can shoot, to have shot Dafty at that time, that's what has me so messed up. Like, nobody regardless of team or alignment gains from that unless it's a 3p wincon we don't know about.

But definitely yes:

Dafty as wolf kill before Xiz confirmed they'd have known he was a wolf: Extremely unlikely but in the realm of the possible

Dafty as wolf kill now that Xiz confirmed they'd have known he was a wolf? Not a chance at all unless this is some extremely deep wolf chaos strat and even then they could have just left him to get lynched today and been further ahead.
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If they believed that Dafty was a town wagon, it's a perfectly fine shot: has as good a chance of any of hitting, and is non controversial. It basically just time warps us one day ahead of the wolves.
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What do you mean 'has a good chance of hitting' here? Of being not guarded?
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As in, not hitting a town. But that's actually a textbook mechanically solid time to shoot, because it saves us a lynch even if Dafty flipped town. Compared to just popping off randomly and hitting a town or just dying, it's pretty ok utility.
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Okay I've completely lost the thread of what you're saying.
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Oh, oh you're talking about a town using the shot on him at night. Okay.

I just...still have trouble thinking of that as a good shoot for town. Like, if he's a wolf, we killed him, yay, we're down our shot, boo, and now we have to lynch somebody who might be a mislynch, boo.

If he's town, it's even worse, we aren't down a wolf, we are down our shot, and we still have to lynch somebody who might be a mislynch.

If I had a kill power right now, I'd be waiting until I had at least a strong suspicion that somebody was a wolf who was actually doing shit. Is that a bad strategy?
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