How Do Songs Get Labeled There Level? - Page 3

potasium56 · 07-9-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gradiant

Not you

Length isn't the point here unless the song is super long. 200 notes out of a 900+ isn't even halfway through. There might be harder parts before or during the middle, or closer to the end. You can't gauge difficulty by only playing the intro of a song that isn't even 2 minutes long.

So you think Welcome to Omnicore should be level 41? and if a fair evaluation

**SK8R43** · 07-9-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by komochii

99% of songs drop towards the middle or the end lol, play stepfile this or something, if u judged it by the first 200 notes then there's no point

Literally this. ALOT of songs have 1 or two hard sections that make the difficulty. Theres a few scarhand gets that are SIMPLE, except 1 or 2 short sections.

Edit: Yes....omnicore is fine at a 41, unpause was harder than the WHOLE CHART within the first 100 notes.
You cant judge a song by barely playing it or only playing it a couple times...

potasium56 · 07-9-2018, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SK8R43

Edit: Omnicore is pretty straightforward, no way in hell a 70s song was easier.

Well it is for me, and shows you my stats between a level 72 and the Omnicore song level 41....

Maybe i just better at the chart....Omnicore is a mess lawls

komochii · 07-9-2018, 07:32 PM

There are many things that can affect a songs rating

take this situation

Two songs are equal difficulty throughout, and both of them have a difficulty spike where it's a really hard part, also of equal difficulty

If the first song has that spike at the very beginning and the other song has it at the very end, the one that has it at the ending is going to be rated higher, even if the patterns are the same difficulty

potasium56 · 07-9-2018, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SK8R43

Literally this. ALOT of songs have 1 or two hard sections that make the difficulty. Theres a few scarhand gets that are SIMPLE, except 1 or 2 short sections.

Edit: Yes....omnicore is fine at a 41, unpause was harder than the WHOLE CHART within the first 100 notes.
You cant judge a song by barely playing it or only playing it a couple times...

Well, i find it harder guess we are all going to have to agree to disagree....all i wanted was to know how songs got labeled thier level and someone told me and i gave my suggestions lets leave it at that....

**SK8R43** · 07-9-2018, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by potasium56

Well, i find it harder guess we are all going to have to agree to disagree....all i wanted was to know how songs got labeled thier level and someone told me and i gave my suggestions lets leave it at that....

LOL

komochii · 07-9-2018, 07:34 PM

And then you realize literally everything on FFRmania is rated 110 and is probabaly harder or easier than that lolz

**SK8R43** · 07-9-2018, 07:35 PM

I think RATO is a bit....overrated. it should be about the same difficulty as Power. I find it easier, so it must be. Right?

komochii · 07-9-2018, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SK8R43

I think RATO is a bit....overrated. it should be about the same difficulty as Power. I find it easier, so it must be. Right?

Imo RATO and powerflux are overrated compared to the other 108+s but eh

Edit: well, to reword that, I'd say out of any of the "legendary" songs like undici, death paino etc, RATO is probabaly one of the easier to AAA

Edit2: nvm I'm an idiot, powerflux is a 103 and RATO undici and death piano are the only 108+ songs lolz

**SK8R43** · 07-9-2018, 07:38 PM

I found the perfect example. Go play this Potas, and let me know what you think. What should it be rated? Its pretty easy, except 2 sections...or just watch the replay if you cant.

Its rated a 0, but should it be a 41, 56, 83, 100?

**xXOpkillerXx** · 07-9-2018, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by komochii

well, to reword that, I'd say out of any of the "legendary" songs like undici, death paino etc, RATO is probabaly one of the easier to AAA

why ?

**TheSaxRunner05** · 07-9-2018, 07:42 PM

I think there's a misunderstanding here on what exactly the difficulty is representing. The difficulty rating is more about how difficult it is to get a good AAA equivalency, more like an SDG or better. If you're comparing songs where your raw goods or 50 or over, you're not going the wrong way with it.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are several songs that have inaccurate difficulties. And many of these fall into the 30 to 50 range. But we at least have to be comparing apples to apples what we talk about what the difficulty is representing.

potasium56 · 07-9-2018, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SK8R43

I found the perfect example. Go play this Potas, and let me know what you think. What should it be rated? Its pretty easy, except 2 sections...or just watch the replay if you cant.

Its rated a 0, but should it be a 41, 56, 83, 100?

V2? i don't have the normal Crowdpleaser

komochii · 07-9-2018, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

why ?

I think death piano probabaly easier if you have the skillset, and to me RATO is like, pure speed, if you have the speed to not have to jumptrill anything it isn't too odd

Undici on the other hand is like what the fuk

**SK8R43** · 07-9-2018, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by potasium56

V2? i don't have the normal Crowdpleaser

So watch the replay i guess.

**TheSaxRunner05** · 07-9-2018, 07:44 PM

I also don't think you have to be of that skill level to fairly judge a song in a certain difficulty range. I do think that has had an effect on some songs being underrated, like certain songs may have stamina issues that better players may not see, but overall you can get fairly close just comparing the songs in game.

**xXOpkillerXx** · 07-9-2018, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by komochii

I think death piano probabaly easier if you have the skillset, and to me RATO is like, pure speed, if you have the speed to not have to jumptrill anything it isn't too odd

Undici on the other hand is like what the fuk

why ?

komochii · 07-9-2018, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by potasium56

V2? i don't have the normal Crowdpleaser

The thing about crowdpleaser is it's easy except there's parts that are nearly impossible cause notes overlap and such (my explaining is probabaly wrong but good enough imo) so it's rated 0, idk i guess he's using it as an example because it's so weird, the easy part is effortless and the hard part is unrateable etc

Tbh it's not that good of an example I'd say skeletor or something would be a better one but idk

potasium56 · 07-9-2018, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05

I think there's a misunderstanding here on what exactly the difficulty is representing. The difficulty rating is more about how difficult it is to get a good AAA equivalency, more like an SDG or better. If you're comparing songs where your raw goods or 50 or over, you're not going the wrong way with it.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are several songs that have inaccurate difficulties. And many of these fall into the 30 to 50 range. But we at least have to be comparing apples to apples what we talk about what the difficulty is representing.

That what im getting at, im not sure why everyone else thinks ffr as a perfect system on giving a song its level...I was just sharing my experience with how i encountered Welcome 2 Omnicore and think it should be higher, but this is my opinion and everyone have there's.

I'm sure the devs are working on this issue if not then guess im going to have to suck it up haha

komochii · 07-9-2018, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

why ?

Because its literally like 135 jacks and if you actually have the speed to wrist jack it you won't split the long jacks

07-9-2018, 07:32 PM	#44
komochii Banned Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 224	Re: How Do Songs Get Labeled There Level? There are many things that can affect a songs rating take this situation Two songs are equal difficulty throughout, and both of them have a difficulty spike where it's a really hard part, also of equal difficulty If the first song has that spike at the very beginning and the other song has it at the very end, the one that has it at the ending is going to be rated higher, even if the patterns are the same difficulty

07-9-2018, 07:34 PM	#47
komochii Banned Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 224	Re: How Do Songs Get Labeled There Level? And then you realize literally everything on FFRmania is rated 110 and is probabaly harder or easier than that lolz

07-9-2018, 07:35 PM	#48
SK8R43 D7 Elite Keymasher Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In My Room, 10101 Age: 33 Posts: 4,676	Re: How Do Songs Get Labeled There Level? I think RATO is a bit....overrated. it should be about the same difficulty as Power. I find it easier, so it must be. Right? __________________ Thee Burstinator [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

07-9-2018, 07:38 PM	#50
SK8R43 D7 Elite Keymasher Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In My Room, 10101 Age: 33 Posts: 4,676	Re: How Do Songs Get Labeled There Level? I found the perfect example. Go play this Potas, and let me know what you think. What should it be rated? Its pretty easy, except 2 sections...or just watch the replay if you cant. Its rated a 0, but should it be a 41, 56, 83, 100? __________________ Thee Burstinator [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Last edited by SK8R43; 07-9-2018 at 07:40 PM..

07-9-2018, 07:42 PM	#52
TheSaxRunner05 The Doctor Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 35 Posts: 6,145	Re: How Do Songs Get Labeled There Level? I think there's a misunderstanding here on what exactly the difficulty is representing. The difficulty rating is more about how difficult it is to get a good AAA equivalency, more like an SDG or better. If you're comparing songs where your raw goods or 50 or over, you're not going the wrong way with it. Don't get me wrong, I think there are several songs that have inaccurate difficulties. And many of these fall into the 30 to 50 range. But we at least have to be comparing apples to apples what we talk about what the difficulty is representing. __________________ Last edited by TheSaxRunner05; 07-9-2018 at 07:42 PM..

07-9-2018, 07:44 PM	#56
TheSaxRunner05 The Doctor Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 35 Posts: 6,145	Re: How Do Songs Get Labeled There Level? I also don't think you have to be of that skill level to fairly judge a song in a certain difficulty range. I do think that has had an effect on some songs being underrated, like certain songs may have stamina issues that better players may not see, but overall you can get fairly close just comparing the songs in game. __________________ Last edited by TheSaxRunner05; 07-9-2018 at 07:45 PM..

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