jTWG XXXV: Metal Gear!?!?

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

After much consideration, I have chosen to vote for Litodude. He lambastes Pyro for wanting the masons to come out, but then "OMG I HAV 2 TRAK DOWN MASUNZ". Too aggressive and hypocritical for me.

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

Did the quote of his I posted not sway you at all?

The conversation that we had was totally fake pyro. I already had my suspicions of you from night 1, when heavy died.

I was talking to BDn and argo about the killing of heavy, and they did not have any logical suspicions on anyone. I went with what came to me as instinct.

Litodude (5:42:52 PM): you have no suspicions whatsoever?
MegamnGTX (5:46:33 PM): no.
MegamnGTX (5:46:41 PM): -_-;
Litodude (5:43:49 PM): rofl okay
Litodude (5:43:58 PM): pyroshock
Litodude (5:44:13 PM): i don't tihnk heavy's wolfing was random
Litodude (5:44:14 PM): in fact,
Litodude (5:44:25 PM): i tihnk it was pyro who scheduled for her killing
Litodude (5:44:30 PM): brb looking back at posts
Litodude (5:44:33 PM): and dude
Litodude (5:44:38 PM): i'm trusting you with a lot
Litodude (5:45:13 PM): but anyway
Litodude (5:45:18 PM): looking back to the posts
Litodude (5:45:35 PM): pyro started by motioning a poll to see if the masons ohuld come out
Litodude (5:45:50 PM): but THEN
Litodude (5:46:28 PM): heavy decides to chellenge this, by asking if it would just be a bad idea for the masons to come out
Litodude (5:46:36 PM): because as he said, the wolves will just kill them anyway
Litodude (5:46:54 PM): pyro replied to this
Litodude (5:47:07 PM): by saying that humans wouldn't really lose anything
Litodude (5:47:14 PM): since masons don't have any power really
Litodude (5:47:29 PM): now this is where i come to the conclusion that he's wolf:
Litodude (5:47:39 PM): "But then again if the wolves decide to kill them off, we're in a state of confusion again and have to guess more on who to lynch."
Litodude (5:47:55 PM): he gives out a possible plan that the wolves could do
Litodude (5:48:24 PM): stating that it would confuse the humans if masons come out
Litodude (5:49:08 PM): now i've just had a conversation with him
Litodude (5:49:22 PM): i made it so that it seems i have his complete trust
Litodude (5:49:24 PM): and it seems to work
Litodude (5:49:41 PM): he then rants about saying the masons should come out

Litodude (5:49:58 PM):
DJ Pyroshock (5:33:49 PM): what would make this really easy for us is if one of the wolves tried to play as a mason
Litodude (5:50:06 PM):
Litodude (5:31:28 PM): and then the other 2 just come out with it eh?
DJ Pyroshock (5:34:33 PM): yeah
DJ Pyroshock (5:34:36 PM): we lnych one
DJ Pyroshock (5:34:46 PM): the one the wolves know isn't a wolf gets wolfed
Litodude (5:50:19 PM):
DJ Pyroshock (5:34:58 PM): we lynch the other and one wolf down
Litodude (5:32:07 PM): hmm
Litodude (5:32:12 PM): not bad of an idea
Litodude (5:50:31 PM):
Litodude (5:34:11 PM): why would a wolf come out and pretend to be a mason though?
DJ Pyroshock (5:37:22 PM): that is a good question
Litodude (5:34:32 PM): because if one comes out
DJ Pyroshock (5:37:39 PM): to possibly prevent being lynched
Litodude (5:34:39 PM): then the other one should come out as well
Litodude (5:50:37 PM):
DJ Pyroshock (5:37:43 PM): if the wolf is pretty noobish
MegamnGTX (5:54:07 PM): That doesn't seem like much of a strategy to me.

This is where I had developed a plan to catch the wolves if pyro actually came through with the proposed plan.

Litodude (5:51:17 PM): here's what he's going to do:
Litodude (5:51:36 PM): he's going to tell his one of the wolves to come out as a mason
Litodude (5:51:47 PM): another wolf will come out and back up this idea
Litodude (5:52:02 PM): THEN
Litodude (5:52:10 PM): if the two REAL masons come out
Litodude (5:52:23 PM): everyone would be confused and start blaming rando people
Litodude (5:52:27 PM): banwagon etc.
MegamnGTX (5:55:32 PM): Yeha.
Litodude (5:52:34 PM): this WOULD work
Litodude (5:52:42 PM): if i didn't know who the masons already are
MegamnGTX (5:56:06 PM): It could be a weak point for the humans.
Litodude (5:53:18 PM): yes but i have the trust of most of the humans
Litodude (5:53:22 PM): BDN
Litodude (5:53:29 PM): you better ****ing be a genome
MegamnGTX (5:56:45 PM): I am.
MegamnGTX (5:57:44 PM): You thinking of lynching pyro now?
Litodude (5:55:37 PM): yes
MegamnGTX (5:59:15 PM): I don't have anything but your information to go off
MegamnGTX (6:00:56 PM): Oh.
Litodude (6:01:50 PM): yea
Litodude (6:02:00 PM): that's the best i could do
Litodude (6:02:01 PM): i mean
MegamnGTX (6:05:08 PM): seems credible to me
Litodude (6:02:10 PM): yea
Litodude (6:02:31 PM): other than random heavy killing because of previous jtwg's because she holds a lot of info,
Litodude (6:02:48 PM): i don't think there's any other reason except because of pyro

I had really hoped that pyroshock would do the plan that he said the wolves could do. This would definitely have caught him and his friends...but as of now, that plan isn't possible.

Oh yea the most important part of this post: I am a mason, along with meno_rocks and heavyleah. That is why I'm so sure that if someone tried to pretend being mason that I could just catch them. This is why meno can say confidently that I am "human."

Sorry to those that I have lied to. But then again it wasn't a full lie: I told you that I knew who "the real masons were, 100%." Hope that clears a few things up.

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

Freaky and xplay wolves, with freaky trying to hide that he talked with xplay his comrade?

Also, argo tells me that lito says I was trying to get the Masons to come out, and therefore I'm a wolf.

By that logic, lito is a wolf.

What logic? "Oh, lito says i'm wolf but no i'm not which means he's a wolf trying to lie" ? WTG, GG. That's just a fallacy in which you try to defend yourself.

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

[20:24] litodude: one of the mason's died already
[20:25] litodude: which sucks
[20:25] litodude: hopefully the other two will come to us humans ;.;
...
[20:29] litodude: it would suck if the masons were newbs
[20:29] litodude: the 1st time players
[20:29] litodude: that would mean i have to track them down lol
...
[20:30] litodude: dammit this sucks
[20:30] litodude: i gotta track down masons ;.;

I told you in my previous post: the conversation we had was just a set-up in hopes that you will come through with your plan in order for me to nail you.

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

Freaky and xplay wolves, with freaky trying to hide that he talked with xplay his comrade?

Okay, so you're going to vote for freaky and xplay as wolves, ratting out your own comrades.

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

Anyways, scratch my freakysnots-xplayfan theory.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, okay, I see what you're doing. You try to blame xplay and freaky in your first post, and include me in it. You THEN decide to vote for me instead of them two in order to cover them up and disregard them. This means that you are trying to make it seem that your comrades are humans (or possibly masons in the future but of course that fails).

[meno_rocks123]

Thank god I don't have to act stupid anymore

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by psychopete

It came down to the toss of a coin with this one, after narrowing it down to two people. But I looked into it a bit further and now the results of that are null and void.

You should re-consider your vote on me since I posted. You're the only one I consider persuading into changing their vote since yours was basically a coin-toss/guess.

Remember: there IS card-flipping ITG. You will know that I am a mason and pyro is a wolf.
(I'm pretty much 100% that he's a wolf right now).

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by meno_rocks123

Thank god I don't have to act stupid anymore

Get on AIM.

Forgot to post this earlier:

meno_rocks123 (MenoRS123) Mason
psychopete (petermogsworth) Human
litodude (litodude) Mason
heavylee (heavyleah) Mason
ejthedj00 (ethedj00) Human
isosceles (dwaynejr1127) Human
argo15 (argo1516) Human
pyroshock (djpyroshock) Wolf
BDN (megamnGTX) Human
popsicle pirate (awsomeorange) Possbily Retarded (sorry rofl)
timotolkki11 (omgwtfraptors) Highly prob. Human

freakysnots (freakysnots) Possibly Human/wolf
emerald000 (emerald3x0) Possibly Wolf
madmatt621 (sjcdravens2008) Low possiblity Wolf
xplayfan (jonaleon1) Possibly Human/Wolf

The version I showed argo, and possibly BDn is slighty different (you can confirm it with them i sent it last night) because of course I didn't want the masons to be known yet AND because of the recent updates.

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

Changing my vote to Pyro.

[xplayfan]

litodude sure changed my mind.

pyroshock then

[Litodude]

If you have any doubts or suspicions or concers contact me on AIM.

On right now.

[timotolkki11]

All of that evidence is pretty convincing...
Pyroshock

[Litodude]

Pyroshock(6)-Litodude, argo, BDN, xplay, meno, timotlkki
argo15(1)- freakysnots
Litodude- pyroshock, psychopete

Safety ejthegj(1)- popsicle

Insta is at 7.

[Litodude]

I'm bored.

Otacon(me)- Snake. Radien's been killed.

Snake(meno)- I know. I saw where the knives came from. Hopefully, I have the right person. We don't want to kill any of the innocent soldiers.

Otacon- I'll keep in touch if I find anything out of the ordinary. I'm alone in Room 4-B with my camo on. I'm sure someone has seen me though, I can feel it. Hopefully it wasn't Vamp.

Snake- Vamp's too careful to get noticed that easily. Get ready, it's almost the next hour, and the soldiers are going to strike. I'll help them out a bit

[Pyroshock]

Originally Posted by Litodude

Litodude- pyroshock, psychopete

First, show me a post of mine which contains your name in bold.

Originally Posted by Litodude

What logic? "Oh, lito says i'm wolf but no i'm not which means he's a wolf trying to lie" ? WTG, GG. That's just a fallacy in which you try to defend yourself.

Way to not understand my post at all. Let me try to explain it a little bit better.

Argo told me the reason for you accusing me of being a wolf was that I was trying to get the masons to come out (which I never was). You, yourself, were trying to get the masons. If I was a wolf because I wanted the masons out, you are also a wolf for wanting the masons out. (Not that this part matters any more since you are a mason).


Now, let me see what your argument is. "Pyro is a wolf because he told me a stupid wolf plan which never happened but I wold have caught him if the plan did happen but now it can't happen because I've revealed the plan and therefore Pyro is a wolf. But since that doesn't really work I'm going to reword his quotes in AIM conversations to make it seem like he was arguing with Heavy about if the Masons should come out even though he wasn't at all. Oh yeah guys I'm a Mason jump on the bandwagon with me, because Pyro is totally a wolf." Makes sense.

You also said that I argued with heavy about the masons coming out, even though I did no such thing. I first asked who thought the masons should come out. She replied by saying she didn't think it was too good of an idea for them to reveal themselves. I replied by stating the pro and con of them coming out, nowhere disagreeing with her.

Here is my first post:

We should vote on whether the masons reveal themselves so we know who definitely not to lynch.

That definitely does not give off "masons come on out so the wolves can know who you are." At least for me, I don't know what kind of English you're speaking in which words mean different words.

Then I stated the pro and con of the wolves coming out. Since you obviously can't tell that, I'll separate them by individual quotes.

Originally Posted by Pro of masons coming out, and the wolves in turn killing them

f the wolves kill them we don't really lose anything, they don't have any powers right? We just get to know who isn't a wolf for sure, making it easier to lynch the correct person.

Originally Posted by Con of masons being wolfed

if the wolves decide to kill them off, we're in a state of confusion again and have to guess more on who to lynch.

You have two points in your accusation of me that are completely baseless, and I've discussed them both here. Though I doubt this is going to change anyone's mind, considering you're a mason and the other humans are going to trust you over anyone.

[Pyroshock]

Now that Lito is a mason, I have no one I suspect except a tiny bit of suspicion from freakysnots.

[Pyroshock]

Oh, and also:

Litodude (5:47:29 PM): now this is where i come to the conclusion that he's wolf:
Litodude (5:47:39 PM): "But then again if the wolves decide to kill them off, we're in a state of confusion again and have to guess more on who to lynch."
Litodude (5:47:55 PM): he gives out a possible plan that the wolves could do
Litodude (5:48:24 PM): stating that it would confuse the humans if masons come out

You misread me again. I said the humans would be confused if the masons don't come out, because they would have to guess on who to lynch, compared to if they did reveal themselves they would know not to lynch the masons.

[emerald000]

Had a lot of work last days, but now I'm back and ready to start looking for the dead cell.

Since there's no argument in Pyro-Lito debate, I'm going to vote for one of the only player who has actually arguments against him. freakysnots

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

First, show me a post of mine which contains your name in bold.

My mistake; sorry for that.

Litodude(1)-pyscho
Pyroshock(5)-Litodude, argo, xplay, meno, timotlkki
argo15(1)- freakysnots
freakysnots(2)- BDN, pyroshock

Safety ejthegj(1)

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

Argo told me the reason for you accusing me of being a wolf was that I was trying to get the masons to come out (which I never was).

I'll look over the logs the logs of our conversation. I don't have them right now, since they are on another computer atm.

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

Now, let me see what your argument is. "Pyro is a wolf because he told me a stupid wolf plan which never happened but I wold have caught him if the plan did happen but now it can't happen because I've revealed the plan and therefore Pyro is a wolf. But since that doesn't really work I'm going to reword his quotes in AIM conversations to make it seem like he was arguing with Heavy about if the Masons should come out even though he wasn't at all. Oh yeah guys I'm a Mason jump on the bandwagon with me, because Pyro is totally a wolf." Makes sense.

You know that this wasn't the initial argument in my accusation of your wolf-ness. I am going on assumption that you were involved with the killing of heavy. (I think I mentioned this in the aim convo lito/bdn)You were the only one that was connected to the killing of heavy i.e. going against his idea of masons being kept secret...or at least that what your position was in the beginning.

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

You also said that I argued with heavy about the masons coming out, even though I did no such thing. I first asked who thought the masons should come out. She replied by saying she didn't think it was too good of an idea for them to reveal themselves. I replied by stating the pro and con of them coming out, nowhere disagreeing with her.

Again, as I said, you were the only one connected to the killing of heavy that was apparent. If I misjudged what you were trying to say, that's your own fault for not stating it clearly.

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

You have two points in your accusation of me that are completely baseless, and I've discussed them both here. Though I doubt this is going to change anyone's mind, considering you're a mason and the other humans are going to trust you over anyone.

See above reply ^

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

You misread me again. I said the humans would be confused if the masons don't come out, because they would have to guess on who to lynch, compared to if they did reveal themselves they would know not to lynch the masons.

*Note that this convo was after heavy's killing.*

This is the same thing as greens coming out and saying "hey i'm human." Only in this scenario, the masons would be primary targets and, other than the knowledge of 2 other players that the blue, not very useful. But there WAS the idea if that the masons come out, impostor masons will come out as well and confused the humans even more. If this happens, humans will be more confused than ever and would either kill the real or fake 2 masons. This would still leave 1 wolf roaming about killing innocent people.

14 players left. 4 masons come out. More than likely we decide to kill all 4 of them, and that adds up to the nightly killings of the wolves (assuming they haven't been caught). That's 8 killed, 6 players left. 5/6 chance of hitting a human, which is more than enough for the wolf to act as a human as possible (if he was good) and fly under radar.

I thought of your idea going in that direction, and figured you were a wolf. If you did try and do this, it would be much easier to spot out the wolves, leaving 11/15 alive with one wolf.

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Pyroshock

Now that Lito is a mason, I have no one I suspect except a tiny bit of suspicion from freakysnots.

Care to share your suspicion?

[Pyroshock]

My suspicion on freakysnots was already posted.

But see, your main point against me is a possible plan the wolves could have taken by pretending to be masons. You assumed I was implying this plan through my post replying to heavy.

Not only was I not implying this plan, but this plan has never happened.

[Popsicle Pirate.]

Originally Posted by xplayfan

JONALEON1 (10:59:48 PM): I saw that too and those are all guesses by him.

Now that Meno and Lito are known as masons, I am very suspicious of xplayfan, so I'll change my vote.

And don't worry, Lito, I'll try and be smarter this game. xD