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Old 09-25-2018, 03:00 PM   #141
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Edit: unrelated but I actually do miss archowl posting on this website he was an inadvertently funnigui
Funnygurl is practically posting for him at this point, so I'm not sure he's really actually "gone".
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Funnygurl is practically posting for him at this point, so I'm not sure he's really actually "gone".
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I'm not!

This sockpuppeting shit legitimately annoys me
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Old 09-25-2018, 05:47 PM   #144
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I believe a good example of what I see when people debate whether or not companies have the right to allow customers free speech or not on their services, is equivalent to how any place that involves service can freely decline said service to an individual.

e.x.
My co-worker was a dick to the Tim Hortons (Canadian coffee chain I know) that was in the same building as us.
My co-worker is now 100% denied service from Tim Hortons (he can't buy anything from them, and they actively ignore him outside of work)
My co-worker, in retaliation, 100% denies service at the gas station for Tim Hortons employees

This is legal, and happened for months before Tim Hortons decided to start accepting him again and then immediately began refusing again after a week when he continued being an ass.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Old 09-25-2018, 11:11 PM   #145
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"As you can see, National Socialism, AKA 'Nazism', is socialism."
"So, the Nazis were socialists?"
"Yes."
"What do you do to stop Nazis?"
"I advocate for their platforming so people can form their own conclusion."
"And socialists?"
"I want them driven from academia."
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^now THATS some good sockpuppeting except you forgot the word "defund"
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Old 09-25-2018, 11:53 PM   #147
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"As you can see, National Socialism, AKA 'Nazism', is socialism."
"So, the Nazis were socialists?"
"Yes."
"What do you do to stop Nazis?"
"I advocate for their platforming so people can form their own conclusion."
"And socialists?"
"I want them driven from academia."
you forgot that anything right of left leaning is practically already driven from academia already but funny post i like it
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you forgot that anything right of left leaning is practically already driven from academia already but funny post i like it
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Old 09-26-2018, 12:21 AM   #149
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[citation needed]
sorry i don't have a nationwide statistic sheet to get the empirical data on campus political opinions. i'm sure we could smack down a lot of the claims in this thread with a cute lil request for more data.
However, theres information suggesting at least in the way of educators and professors, conservative professors are outnumbered 12:1.


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In all, we looked up 7,243 professors and found 3,623 to be registered Democratic
and 314 Republican.7 The overall D:R ratio is 11.5 to 1.

Do you think many students feel safe "ruffling feathers" with those in authority with opposing viewpoints? I think most likely they will stifle their true feelings and opinions during class discussions for the sake of their education and maybe even safety and to save them from the embarrassment of being the "odd one out" in lecture hall.


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I once saw an adjunct not get his contract renewed after students complained that he exposed them to "offensive" texts written by Edward Said and Mark Twain. His response, that the texts were meant to be a little upsetting, only fueled the students' ire and sealed his fate. That was enough to get me to comb through my syllabi and cut out anything I could see upsetting a coddled undergrad, texts ranging from Upton Sinclair to Maureen Tkacik — and I wasn't the only one who made adjustments, either.
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This shift in student-teacher dynamic placed many of the traditional goals of higher education — such as having students challenge their beliefs — off limits. While I used to pride myself on getting students to question themselves and engage with difficult concepts and texts, I now hesitate.
So, at least one professor has had to alter the way he exposes students to "difficult" ideas and having them rationalize their feelings on these texts and ideas themselves, for the fear that he might lose tenure or otherwise come upon negative consequence. Something tells me a lot of these ideas that are being described as "difficult" probably come from a right leaning camp.

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No one can rebut feelings, and so the only thing left to do is shut down the things that cause distress — no argument, no discussion, just hit the mute button and pretend eliminating discomfort is the same as effecting actual change.
https://www.vox.com/2015/6/3/8706323...ofessor-afraid

though its not hard to look at any of the large "campus activism" movements that have sprung up in the past 8-10 years and imagine why it might be hard, scary, or risky to express these viewpoints when there are swaths of people on the other side who show no qualms in doxxing you or causing trouble with your employer or school ethics board over your opinions.


maybe we should stop treating students like customers that pay 10s of thousands of dollars per year for the right to not be offended. maybe we should fix the system where teachers are afraid to teach effectively because of fear of losing their jobs in a "brutal" job market where they can be replaced with someone who won't cause trouble hurting the feelings of the schools cash cows? but thats another thread i guess.. lol
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people who complain about the lack of conservatives in academia also believe that women self-select into low-paying occupations because of immutable preferences
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people who complain about the lack of conservatives in academia also believe that women self-select into low-paying occupations because of immutable preferences
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what college did u go to bc I go to supposedly a "very liberal" school but I see loads of repubs both in my polisci classes and just randomly on campus nobody is fucking stopping them from talking
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>give sources
>People don't engage with the material you post at all

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what college did u go to bc I go to supposedly a "very liberal" school but I see loads of repubs both in my polisci classes and just randomly on campus nobody is fucking stopping them from talking
there were plenty of (almost entirely guys) willing to yell out their opinion during class at university of windsor, nobody felt stifled, believe me. Unless things have drastically changed in the past 6-7 years.
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the plural of anecdote isn't data but neither is the singular. i think these kinds of classroom environments are more likely to be found in a humanities or social studies field, personally. didn't you study the sciences? i'm not trying to disregard your experiences but I think the kinds of discussions being had given the environment and the timeframe may have been different than say, the kinds of topics that might appear in a college level Philosophy class today. The kinds of topics where disagreeing with certain types of people might place you on the end of a doxxing campaign, or have you labelled as something you're not on campus, etc etc. I think thats part of the "Trump Effect". Its had a major impact on psychology and peoples stress levels. I found this good article: https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics...a-13145645.php

As Northwestern University professor Laura Kipnis writes,
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"Emotional discomfort is [now] regarded as equivalent to material injury, and all injuries have to be remediated."
Often, these emotional injuries are remediated by backlash at the offending party in the form of harassment campaigns, threats, and overall attacking their quality of life on campus. This is where I believe the fear/stigma to discuss ideas openly on *some* campuses lies.

theres really no way to quantify this data outside of anecdotes that I can find, at least for students. I already linked to studies that claim a 12:1 liberal bias in campus educators in America though. I'd be willing to bet its even worse in Canada by virtue of the majority of our country being more economically and politically socialist to begin with.
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My experience in a pre-Trump college environment is limited to 2 months, and I know that anecdote doesn't trump statistics, but I'm really struggling to imagine an academic scenario where people are literally doxxed for being Trump supporters.

I can 100% believe most college professors identify as left-leaning but that's a far fucking cry from Trumpettes being silenced
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My experience in a pre-Trump college environment is limited to 2 months, and I know that anecdote doesn't trump statistics, but I'm really struggling to imagine an academic scenario where people are literally doxxed for being Trump supporters.

I can 100% believe most college professors identify as left-leaning but that's a far fucking cry from Trumpettes being silenced
i rly rly shouldn't have to look up/point you to all the times ppl have been fired from their job or driven off of sites like tumblr because they didn't do what the left/liberal majority wanted them to do. all the people who brought those stupid ass tiki torches out to rally and got fired from their jobs? remember when JonTron tried to share political opinions and since hes terrible at expressing himself sounded like a big tool and got his voice removed from Yooka-Laylee and went into prolonged hiatus?

of course when its racist dumbasses on facebook it looks good on them. but when its people on tumblr who draw your favourite character "not fat enough" and you start flinging shit at them, hunting them down, and driving them off your platform? these are just two examples i can think of right off the top of my head. of course don't forget our good ole boy Alfred MacDonald who got called in front of his professor/department head and told to simmer down or w/e for raising the point that LGBTQ+ people like himself and his partner at the time get killed/murdered for their sexuality in majority Muslim countries.

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edit: maybe they're not being systematically doxxed off campus but they sure make it hard for them to have republican campus groups and meetings




ON CAMPUS - The Isolation of College Libertarians - New York Times


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Often it is more overt. When Christina Hoff Sommers, a resident scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, spoke on Bucknell’s campus a few weeks ago, members of the audience shouted her down. During the Q. and A. segment, a professor repeatedly interrupted Dr. Sommers, setting a poor example for students to respectfully disagree with her opinions.

Dr. Sommers was critiquing campus politics and intersectional feminism, so things were bound to get heated. Issues deserve spirited debate. But baseline hostility to conservative thought makes productive conversation difficult.


[...] when educators react so violently to ideas and controversy, they shrink the intellectual space of the university environment. They foster an academic atmosphere in which students refuse to question progressive orthodoxy. Worse, some students shy away from asking questions, knowing the social price they might pay

[...]

At a time of increased political tension in the country, it is also important for colleges to push students to learn how to grapple with different views.
According to this study "conservative students are the most likely to fear that their political views could be criticized as “offensive,” and they are most likely to fear retaliation from professors in the form of lower grades."


and theres no shortage of sentiments being shared that some students with conservative opinions have fears of expressing them on campus


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“When it comes to Black Lives Matter and the question of what really is holding back certain communities that mostly consist of people of color, I stay silent. Even though these issues are very important to me, no one wants to hear a white girl talk about race issues, even if my views are fairly pragmatic.”
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"There is a girl in the teacher’s college and she works for University Housing, and she fears losing her job if people find out that she’s conservative," Jennifer Custis, president of the College Republicans and political science senior, said. "This isn't just in University housing too. There is obviously a liberal bias with professors, and many students fear that if they express conservatism, it will reflect in their grades."
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1. No. There are still public Trump supporters at probably every college (certainly mine) and I'd like to hear one example of a college that banned a Young Republicans group.
2. You had to use JONTRON as an example? The shot he said was actively racist, of course he fucking got fired!
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