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From looking at this thread, it seems that we only have four options with choose from:

Go with nois-or-e: Stick with what the Game Managers discussed including a few things that the community wants.

Go with Silvuh: To change the naming a bit for the easier difficulties (1-14) due to inconsistency while at the same time listening to what the community wants. He even gives out two example lists of consistency names for (15-19) and even states that if those does not work then you can go with his "expert/master/guru" idea. This basically balances out the two arguments IMO.

Go with qqwref: Basically to stick with original difficulty names and change the scaling system.

Go with someone who either completely changes everything or just go with someone who disagrees with everything lol
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ps don't forget the later "suggestion'' qqwref made where he talked about just dropping the +'s
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01- Easiest
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03- Beginner
04- Very Easy
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07-
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08- Standard
09- Tricky
10- Very Tricky
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12- Very Difficult
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16- Master
17- Guru
18- Brutal
19- Ridiculous
20- ???
the ONLY thing i think is a bit weird is the 2nd difficulty, "Training." nothing else bothers me but that and i can't think of anything to switch it out with but "Simplistic." but that doesn't sound exactly right either.
Anybody else share my thoughts on this?
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the ONLY thing i think is a bit weird is the 2nd difficulty, "Training." nothing else bothers me but that and i can't think of anything to switch it out with but "Simplistic." but that doesn't sound exactly right either.
Anybody else share my thoughts on this?
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effortless or gentle could maybe fit the slot for training?
I don't really know but after training gets fixed i think that looks great
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As easy as a level 2 song is, "effortless" really describes an experience that varies from one person to another. A newbie may not consider a level 2 as effortless, while he/she practices on level 1 songs. Same goes with the "gentle" descriptor.

However, if anyone has a better name for "training", that'd be good since it honestly sounds a bit weird too.
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I still think removing Training, shifting Beginner down to 2, and inserting Novice before or after Very Easy and Easy is the best option to go with if we're going with Jae's list, the rest is pretty much spot-on
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Yeah, I like Novice, even though what exactly a novice is falls in the eyes of the beholder. But at least it sounds better than training.
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Why do we even need a name for each?

Why is "FMO" a clearer way to tell a difficulty-11 song? I don't see why we don't call it a "D11" song instead.

If a difficulty-2 song is "for beginners", how about a difficulty-1 song? For whom are difficulty-1 songs?

I think those labels are just making things more confusing.





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03 - D3
04 - D4
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09 - D9
10 - D10
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Why do we even need a name for each?

Why is "FMO" a clearer way to tell a difficulty-11 song? I don't see why we don't call it a "D11" song instead.

If a difficulty-2 song is "for beginners", how about a difficulty-1 song? For whom are difficulty-1 songs?

I think those labels are just making things more confusing.
Kinda agree with that, after all. When I play the ~OfFiCiAl DDR by Konami~, they only have numbers (1-12 feet). The only reason why they put beginner/easy/standard/heavy/oni is because they had to differentiate the difficulties on the same song, which we already do here by using the same terms (ex: Sunless Daybreak [Heavy]).

:P Just a thought
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yeah, there's that thought, but didn't nois-or-e (forgive me if I'm incorrect) say that we were trying to keep the traditional naming scheme? that's the only reason the D1-D20 idea is probably going to get shot down.

I personally wouldn't mind that either.
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yeah, there's that thought, but didn't nois-or-e (forgive me if I'm incorrect) say that we were trying to keep the traditional naming scheme?
If this were true then he should have went with qqwref's plan XD

Personally, if you want to keep the original names, qqwref's idea would be best.

If you want to keep the original names but at the same time remove the "For __ only" names and stuff that majority supports, nois-or-e's plan would be best.

If you want a consistency of the difficulty names from 1-14 but at the same time, include "expert, master and guru" for 15-17 and most likely "brutal and relentless" for 18-19, (which is also stuff that most of the community supports), Silvuh's idea would be best.
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Thoughts:

- Can "Beginner" and "Novice" co-exist? because they have similar meaning, if not exactly the same. "Beginner" sounds easier, though.
- "Light" "Standard" "Heavy" are used for the description of different charts, also "Standard" is already in old rating system, so they might be arguable.
- If we insert something after "Challenging", "Demanding" or "Intense"?
- We may need to confirm a few words that are widely-tolerated for hardest part. Currently it looks "Brutal", "Ridiculous", "Legendary", "Insane", "???" are supported by some people here.
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- Can "Beginner" and "Novice" co-exist? because they have similar meaning, if not exactly the same. "Beginner" sounds easier, though.
- "Light" "Standard" "Heavy" are used for the description of different charts, also "Standard" is already in old rating system, so they might be arguable.
- If we insert something after "Challenging", "Demanding" or "Intense"?
- We may need to confirm a few words that are widely-tolerated for hardest part. Currently it looks "Brutal", "Ridiculous", "Legendary", "Insane", "???" are supported by some people here.
-Novice does imply something slightly more difficult than Beginner...they're fine appearing together imo

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20- For ThaoR's only

Fixed. And come on, you know you want to put "For ThaoR's Only" do it for the lols.
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01- Easiest
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08- Difficult (D)
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14- Very Challenging (VC)
15- For Masters Only (FMO)
16- For Masters Only (FMO)
17- For Gurus Only (FGO)
18- For Gurus Only (FGO)
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20- Insane
That, but change 19 to legendary
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I like maybe adding intense and this word is weird but could go after beginner..
TYRO -a beginner in learning : novice
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Definition: person unskilled in something
Synonyms: abecedarian, amateur, apprentice, buckwheater, catechumen, colt, fish*, fledgling, greenhorn, greenie, initiate, learner, neophyte, new kid on the block, newcomer, novice, novitiate, probationer, recruit, starter, student, tenderfoot, trainee

i just copied and pasted and know a few have been said but w/e good to see them as a whole xD
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01- Abedecarian
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10- New Kid on the Block
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We've swapped out training, moved beginner down one and put novice into where beginner was.

Seems the final discussion before this goes live is if we really need to change Ridiculous.

The charts that will fall under the Ridiculous label are:

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do I smile?
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Crowdpleaser
The wisest were wrong
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Winter Wind Etude
Husigi Usagi Milk Tei



Any suggestions? Things like Legendary reference something awesome/great, not something difficult. Currently the fact that to 99.9% of the community the above charts are Ridiculously hard seems to be the clincher...
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