Old 08-27-2012, 12:35 AM   #1841
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- My DP 8-0-0-1, Revolutionary Etude AAA and RATO 23-1-0-3 don't mean anything. Oh wait, nobody gives a shit about those files.
I would imagine that the top 200 and everything else would still exist, but that it just wouldn't be calculated towards your average rank. They would probably be the equivalent of token song scores: you play them for fun, and sometimes you go out of your way to get a good score...but it really isn't important for anything other than the satisfaction of doing so. Sick scores will be sick regardless.

I personally wouldn't mind this too much, because then when overkill charts get released, I could just play the chart for fun and keep my average rank. Plus then I can show off my pa scores for new 90+ releases, instead of having to sacrifice cleaner runs for FC'd ones (since they wouldn't count towards anything). Or of course raw scoring could just be implemented, but I don't think I'll ever see the day that happens honestly.
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Old 08-27-2012, 12:37 AM   #1842
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If this gets done, remove legacy files from avrank too as Middie suggested, sure they're nice for nostalgia, but not many want to go out of their way to AAA them.
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:20 PM   #1843
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If this gets done, remove legacy files from avrank too as Middie suggested, sure they're nice for nostalgia, but not many want to go out of their way to AAA them.
IMO this is a separate idea, one which should have been done already, but a separate idea nonetheless.
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:02 PM   #1844
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^^ Separate but also important.

I don't know how I feel about removing 90+ from level ranks. To be honest, although it is a mashfest for ranks on those songs (uhh, make level ranks raw scoring instead, problem solved), you can still use those songs to gauge the levels of the top-tier players, who have to use those files to compete. I guess overall I'm indifferent about the topic.

On the issue of Synthlight songs, I seriously agree that they should be removed from ranks. In my honest opinion, something like a profile badge (yoohoo attention please staff~, since these are obviously code-able on a pretty simple level) saying you AAA'd all the Synthlight files or something would still reward those that take the time to do so, without it plaguing everyone else's ranks.
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:06 PM   #1845
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On the issue of Synthlight songs, I seriously agree that they should be removed from ranks. In my honest opinion, something like a profile badge (yoohoo attention please staff~, since these are obviously code-able on a pretty simple level) saying you AAA'd all the Synthlight files or something would still reward those that take the time to do so, without it plaguing everyone else's ranks.
Why not move them to token level ranks and award an actual token for AAA'ing all of them?
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:13 PM   #1846
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That would work too, but someone would have to have some ideas in place for the token(s). Something that was mentioned a bit back was v2's of a few of them, etc. But I do think a profile badge for AAA'ing all synth files would be chill.
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:56 PM   #1847
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Why not move them to token level ranks and award an actual token for AAA'ing all of them?
I suggest multiple tokens, not just an all or nothing deal. Maybe have another token for SDG'ing all of them as well, or AAA'ing 5 or 10 of them, ect, getting them all under 1k rank and other goals. If the only token is to AAA them all, I feel fewer people would try.
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Old 08-27-2012, 10:06 PM   #1848
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add more noteskins.. and new mods to play example distant.hallway,etc etc.
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:02 AM   #1849
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If there is interest for making a synthfile AAA token, I can draw up something with a decent synthfile V2 or something. I know there are a few steppers planning some v2s in the near future.
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Old 09-9-2012, 08:30 PM   #1850
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-1 for the 90+s to be removed from the level ranks. You could use the same argument for say 70+s because even then there are plenty of players who have to mash them to pass.

On a side note, please please please take away the automatically going to the newest post thing when you click a thread. It is so unbelievably aggravating. I'd rather scroll down x times until I'm caught up to where I am than have to scroll up through stuff I know I haven't read yet especially when I actually have to go back a page because all the posts on the last page are new BUT YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT GOES TO THE BOTTOM.
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-1 for the 90+s to be removed from the level ranks. You could use the same argument for say 70+s because even then there are plenty of players who have to mash them to pass.

On a side note, please please please take away the automatically going to the newest post thing when you click a thread. It is so unbelievably aggravating. I'd rather scroll down x times until I'm caught up to where I am than have to scroll up through stuff I know I haven't read yet especially when I actually have to go back a page because all the posts on the last page are new BUT YOU DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT GOES TO THE BOTTOM.
It's really useful if you use linear mode ;~;
None of the other modes make sense to me.

also, -1 for the 90+ thing as well
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Old 09-9-2012, 08:37 PM   #1852
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If there is interest for making a synthfile AAA token, I can draw up something with a decent synthfile V2 or something. I know there are a few steppers planning some v2s in the near future.
does this mean AAAing all synthfiles = token?

synthfiles being BNS songs, or files made by Synth?
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Old 09-9-2012, 08:45 PM   #1853
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If there is interest for making a synthfile AAA token, I can draw up something with a decent synthfile V2 or something. I know there are a few steppers planning some v2s in the near future.
AAA=V2?
Like, every synthfile u aaa u get the v2?
Which, I know would be kinda asinine but eh.

Is it possible to make this go backwards?
Like, when available, we replace all the public v1 synth files with the v2 ones, and when we AAA(or achieve a certain score) we unlock the v1 Synth file.
excluding the ones that already have v2s
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Old 09-10-2012, 02:09 AM   #1854
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I suggest a feature for FFR that "SHOULD" be here already.
Being able to check more then one replay off and delete them at the same time.
hate having 200+ replays and having to wipe them all just because I don't want to spend 20 minutes going through them all.

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There should be a special token or Badge for people who AAA all legacy songs excluding OMW and Revo.

EDIT 2: Please don't remove 90+ form average ranks... It may be unsatisfying to have such horrible scores on it but when you actually get better at FFR and can actually play the files, you have a somewhat sense of Accomplishment from it.

EDIT 3: AAA page 1 = token, AAA page 2 = token, AAA page 3 = token, etc etc... I think you get the point.

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Old 09-10-2012, 04:13 AM   #1855
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Being able to delete more than one replay at once would be awesome. When I approach 150 I tend to delete songs of a certain difficulty level or lower from my replays, so this would be great for me!

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EDIT 2: Please don't remove 90+ form average ranks... It may be unsatisfying to have such horrible scores on it but when you actually get better at FFR and can actually play the files, you have a somewhat sense of Accomplishment from it.
You should feel accomplished regardless of whether or not they are in your level ranks (hence why people play StepMania or alternative engines I would imagine). I honestly feel though that the issue is more with the way FFR scores files than with the files themselves. I don't understand why FFR still uses combo scoring instead of raw scoring for it's results, considering how terrible combo scoring is in terms of representing a player's skill. FFR already records raw scores onto leader-boards, so why can't it be used to determine average ranks? It isn't like anything would even have to change, grand total could still go to your GTS, and RAW scoring could go to your average rank (considering average rank should be a skillful thing to achieve). Just my two cents on the matter.

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Old 09-10-2012, 04:26 AM   #1856
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You should feel accomplished regardless of whether or not they are in your level ranks (hence why people play StepMania or alternative engines I would imagine). I honestly feel though that the issue is more with the way FFR scores files than with the files themselves. I don't understand why FFR still uses combo scoring instead of raw scoring for it's results, considering how terrible combo scoring is in terms of representing a player's skill. FFR already records raw scores onto leader-boards, so why can't it be used to determine average ranks? It isn't like anything would even have to change, grand total could still go to your GTS, and RAW scoring could go to your average rank (considering average rank should be a skillful thing to achieve). Just my two cents on the matter.
I see your point there.
but I don't think they would implement raw scoring into the game anyway..
too many people would start bitching at the change.
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:44 AM   #1857
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I see your point there.
but I don't think they would implement raw scoring into the game anyway..
too many people would start bitching at the change.
Eh I dunno, there's raw scoring in MP and it's kinda nice knowing you win by actual skill instead of by mash fest in some match-ups. It'd be nice if FFR was revolved more around skill and not "luck", meaning not around "oh I mashed a 300 combo on a 98 level song - too bad that wont happen again".
Which is why I try to stay away from higher level songs that I can't play.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:18 AM   #1858
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I don't understand why FFR still uses combo scoring instead of raw scoring for it's results, considering how terrible combo scoring is in terms of representing a player's skill.
OMG. He said it. ∑(O_O;)

IMO, I feel like level ranks and scoring are notions only experimented players are able to grasp and that it may not be attracting to beginners. Though it has some really nice advantages and I believe it is a great motivation for improving at the game.

Now I feel like we should split the official FFR engine in two, where one section would have the official songs that would count towards the rankings, and the other one could regroup songs that are in the game for practice purposes or fun factor that would not influence anything. This way, we could have V2's of the blue note files in one section and V1's could be unlocked in the other one.

Hell, the practice section could even include warmup songs, joke songs like Vrofl or *Whimper Wall*, tournament songs and even stepfiles that are currently in the submission queue. There's more to think of but as of now, this would solve many current issues.
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:14 AM   #1859
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yeah, combo scoring is how ffr has always been. not a fan at all of changing that.
it's true, lvl ranks only really start mattering when you get better. for years all it was for me was FCing songs. now, my main motivator is AAAing and lowering ranks
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I think there should be an option implemented that restricts the amount of rows the "Recent Photos" tab shows. The way it is set up currently, every single picture you ever uploaded to FFR shows up, which is rather unnecessary. I suggest a setting in the style editor, like this example:


This way the profiles look a lot more neat, and gives the "View All" button an actual purpose.
Going to go against the grain and talk about this part of your post instead of the rest;

When Velo made the v2 profile style, he didn't account for how many show up. On the v1 style, it only DOES display one row, the four most recent. So while I agree that it'd be nice, I don't think it's a huge issue considering the photos don't show anyway unless you're using the Media Tab (which is specifically for video/photos anyway) on the second layout style. I see your point, and +1 your suggestion, just throwing this out there anyway.
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