What is the absolute limit?

CoryMalkovich · 10-17-2004, 10:27 PM

Yeah, since Konami completely ignored the hardcore DDR crowd it's been pretty cool to watch how good some of the PIU players have gotten. I mean, starting to watch shit like Dignity...wow.

So what do you think is the fastest/hardest song possible on a pad? I once saw a pic of someone claiming a pass on BMR's A but I think that was total bullshit.

I'd place the absolute limit on feet at about Cynic's LAB.

**Tasselfoot** · 10-17-2004, 10:40 PM

lab is 180bpm, and no constant streams, but has jumps in the beginning and end... A is 191 constant stream at the end... so, A is definately harder... and, i believe a pass of A is possible. dignity is 190bpm, and its 5 notes instead of 4 on PIU, although the streams at 190 aren't that long. A is definately passable... how much past that is questionable.

Nima · 10-17-2004, 11:43 PM

don't be stupid... several of the really good players can EASILY do bmr's A...

Novacaine · 10-21-2004, 06:28 PM

BMR A? the fuck?
anyway Im sure anyway1 coud eventually learn to do a song at over 400
just have to practice
a long time ago i used to think max300 was impossible cuz it was too fast
now it almost seems slow compaired to legend or outer limits
So yea

**Tasselfoot** · 10-21-2004, 06:38 PM

BMR's A, when compared to max300 is like this...

A = 191
Max300 = 150

now, just so you don't go like "wtf... its 300bpm... its faster!" i will explain...

max300 is all 8th notes. which means, you are playing it at the equivalent of 600bpm 4th notes (300 x 8/4 = 600)
A is 191bpm 16th notes for most of the song (there are more arrows at this speed than there are total arrows in max300). so, it is the equivalent of 764bpm 4th notes (191 x 16/4 = 764). both LoM and Outer Limits are slower than A as well, by over 10bpm 16th notes.

absolute limit? somewhere around 200bpm 16ths, like OML... that is my guess.

**Moogy** · 10-21-2004, 07:14 PM

Pandemonium Expert on ITG is pushing it. Step jump patterns and runs for ~2 minutes at a speed faster than A. Cynic passed it first try.

**Tasselfoot** · 10-21-2004, 07:56 PM

pandemonium is 200bpm... is ITG 4-notes? if so, then i've played it on SM... its difficult for fingers. if it isn't 4-note... then i played some SM version of it, and its still difficult for fingers.

**Moogy** · 10-22-2004, 06:23 AM

It's 4 arrows, like DDR.

Elipsis · 10-23-2004, 03:42 AM

I know 11's are possible, I got a 15 combo in first uber rave stream (reach's version) before... and I'm nowhere near the level of the people who AAA the 10's (I B or C them)

**Tasselfoot** · 10-23-2004, 11:11 AM

Uber Rave is only 175 bpm... the problem with UR is that its VERY long... the endurance would be a really issue...

but, we're talking about speed. 175 is certainly doable.

**Spazzbite** · 10-23-2004, 04:19 PM

WTF? Pandemonium isn't 200bpm, its around 330. And I'd say the limit is probably around 240bpm 16ths.

Novacaine · 10-23-2004, 05:20 PM

ok so what ur saying is its like 382 beats per minute rite

and if im right or not
do u kno where to find it n play it as well as others like Omega or NeoMax or max340 or Maxforever on stepmania or Dance with intensity or whatever?

and another thing as far as 11 steps go I thout Legend of max and PSM were 11's and PSMO and Max. (period) were 12's

correct me if im wrong plz k thnx.

**Tasselfoot** · 10-23-2004, 06:35 PM

they are all 10s, as per DDRs scoring.

Spazz.. my bad on the pandemonium... so its 165 16ths, but there are jumps and stuff in there... its not a cake AAA on keyboard

and, if Dignity can be done (195) on PIU, albiet it the streams aren't very long, i definately feel OML can be beaten... much past that is really really pushing it, IMO.

240 16ths? no way. thats max480... or, max300 on 1.6x music... on pad.

Novacaine · 10-26-2004, 05:48 PM

then why do the flash?? wats the point of that

**Chromer** · 10-28-2004, 04:18 AM

I want to see someone AAA Eggman's Quasar on pad. That wouldnt be really hard to do though.

**Tasselfoot** · 10-28-2004, 10:24 AM

no, it wouldn't be chromer. the endurance would be a little bit of an issue... but i'm sure people like Yasu and JSB could do it in a few tries. its only 5 bpm faster than max300

deposition · 10-28-2004, 12:31 PM

Yasu sucks and JSB quit a long time ago. And im sure people can AAA quasar..

**TehWhack** · 10-28-2004, 09:15 PM

Max 300 is 10 steps per second, Ska a go go is about 11.5, Pandemonium is about 12.1.

I'd say the limit is a song with 13.5 steps per second... so.... I'd say that would be something like Eggman's One More Lovely (which is 13.333 SPS).

Edit: I just saw people saying OML was the limit :P so I guess I just added to the proof.

**Tasselfoot** · 10-29-2004, 11:52 AM

tehwhack... yea. 200bpm = 13.333 TPS.

**Reach** · 10-29-2004, 02:08 PM

Um

Pandemonium is 11 taps a second. Theres a massive difference xD 13 taps a second is about the absolute stream limit and you'd have to bar rape like mad. I know I can't beat BMR's A on a pad with some chair rape but its possible. It just gets rediculous once the piano gets going.

10-17-2004, 10:27 PM	#1
CoryMalkovich FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 46	What is the absolute limit? Yeah, since Konami completely ignored the hardcore DDR crowd it's been pretty cool to watch how good some of the PIU players have gotten. I mean, starting to watch shit like Dignity...wow. So what do you think is the fastest/hardest song possible on a pad? I once saw a pic of someone claiming a pass on BMR's A but I think that was total bullshit. I'd place the absolute limit on feet at about Cynic's LAB.

10-17-2004, 10:40 PM	#2
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	RE: What is the absolute limit? lab is 180bpm, and no constant streams, but has jumps in the beginning and end... A is 191 constant stream at the end... so, A is definately harder... and, i believe a pass of A is possible. dignity is 190bpm, and its 5 notes instead of 4 on PIU, although the streams at 190 aren't that long. A is definately passable... how much past that is questionable. __________________ RIP

10-17-2004, 11:43 PM	#3
Nima FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,526	don't be stupid... several of the really good players can EASILY do bmr's A... __________________ DELETE THIS ACCOUNT

10-21-2004, 06:38 PM	#5
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	BMR's A, when compared to max300 is like this... A = 191 Max300 = 150 now, just so you don't go like "wtf... its 300bpm... its faster!" i will explain... max300 is all 8th notes. which means, you are playing it at the equivalent of 600bpm 4th notes (300 x 8/4 = 600) A is 191bpm 16th notes for most of the song (there are more arrows at this speed than there are total arrows in max300). so, it is the equivalent of 764bpm 4th notes (191 x 16/4 = 764). both LoM and Outer Limits are slower than A as well, by over 10bpm 16th notes. absolute limit? somewhere around 200bpm 16ths, like OML... that is my guess. __________________ RIP

10-21-2004, 07:14 PM	#6
Moogy 嗚呼 Join Date: Aug 2003 Age: 34 Posts: 10,303	Pandemonium Expert on ITG is pushing it. Step jump patterns and runs for ~2 minutes at a speed faster than A. Cynic passed it first try. __________________ Plz visit my blog ^^^ vintage signature from like 2006 preserved

10-21-2004, 06:28 PM	#4
Novacaine Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 282	BMR A? the fuck? anyway Im sure anyway1 coud eventually learn to do a song at over 400 just have to practice a long time ago i used to think max300 was impossible cuz it was too fast now it almost seems slow compaired to legend or outer limits So yea

10-21-2004, 07:56 PM	#7
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	pandemonium is 200bpm... is ITG 4-notes? if so, then i've played it on SM... its difficult for fingers. if it isn't 4-note... then i played some SM version of it, and its still difficult for fingers. __________________ RIP

10-22-2004, 06:23 AM	#8
Moogy 嗚呼 Join Date: Aug 2003 Age: 34 Posts: 10,303	It's 4 arrows, like DDR. __________________ Plz visit my blog ^^^ vintage signature from like 2006 preserved

10-23-2004, 03:42 AM	#9
Elipsis FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 313	I know 11's are possible, I got a 15 combo in first uber rave stream (reach's version) before... and I'm nowhere near the level of the people who AAA the 10's (I B or C them) __________________ Ridiculous Timing!!!! The best thing to happen to Stepmania since Marvelous Timing! Download Forums Screenshots

10-23-2004, 11:11 AM	#10
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Uber Rave is only 175 bpm... the problem with UR is that its VERY long... the endurance would be a really issue... but, we're talking about speed. 175 is certainly doable. __________________ RIP

10-23-2004, 05:20 PM	#12
Novacaine Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 282	ok so what ur saying is its like 382 beats per minute rite and if im right or not do u kno where to find it n play it as well as others like Omega or NeoMax or max340 or Maxforever on stepmania or Dance with intensity or whatever? and another thing as far as 11 steps go I thout Legend of max and PSM were 11's and PSMO and Max. (period) were 12's correct me if im wrong plz k thnx.

10-23-2004, 06:35 PM	#13
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	they are all 10s, as per DDRs scoring. Spazz.. my bad on the pandemonium... so its 165 16ths, but there are jumps and stuff in there... its not a cake AAA on keyboard and, if Dignity can be done (195) on PIU, albiet it the streams aren't very long, i definately feel OML can be beaten... much past that is really really pushing it, IMO. 240 16ths? no way. thats max480... or, max300 on 1.6x music... on pad. __________________ RIP

10-26-2004, 05:48 PM	#14
Novacaine Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 282	then why do the flash?? wats the point of that

10-28-2004, 04:18 AM	#15
Chromer Hookers and Blow Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: You heard the robot. No fun. Age: 34 Posts: 4,981	I want to see someone AAA Eggman's Quasar on pad. That wouldnt be really hard to do though. __________________

10-28-2004, 10:24 AM	#16
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	no, it wouldn't be chromer. the endurance would be a little bit of an issue... but i'm sure people like Yasu and JSB could do it in a few tries. its only 5 bpm faster than max300 __________________ RIP

10-28-2004, 12:31 PM	#17
deposition FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,115	Yasu sucks and JSB quit a long time ago. And im sure people can AAA quasar.. __________________

10-28-2004, 09:15 PM	#18
TehWhack FFR Veteran Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Somewhere in Canada Age: 35 Posts: 766	Max 300 is 10 steps per second, Ska a go go is about 11.5, Pandemonium is about 12.1. I'd say the limit is a song with 13.5 steps per second... so.... I'd say that would be something like Eggman's One More Lovely (which is 13.333 SPS). Edit: I just saw people saying OML was the limit :P so I guess I just added to the proof. __________________ Oh hay I used to play ITG

10-29-2004, 11:52 AM	#19
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	tehwhack... yea. 200bpm = 13.333 TPS. __________________ RIP

10-29-2004, 02:08 PM	#20
Reach FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 7,471	Um Pandemonium is 11 taps a second. Theres a massive difference xD 13 taps a second is about the absolute stream limit and you'd have to bar rape like mad. I know I can't beat BMR's A on a pad with some chair rape but its possible. It just gets rediculous once the piano gets going. __________________

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