Ingame Song Information - Page 102

stavie33 · 03-25-2009, 03:46 PM

Nitrx is low VC, please change it. I know it's not that hard, but I can't AAA it consistently while I have never failed to AAA Carousel Paradise or Dot Death, and those are VC's (easiest), so Nitrx should be a 68-69 IMO

**bmah** · 03-25-2009, 03:55 PM

For FotBB, don't use spread or you'll make the trills that much harder for yourself.

**jimerax** · 03-25-2009, 09:12 PM

FOTBB and Silence was actually 13

new standard now
DP = highest 12 (95)
RATO = lowest 13 (96)

imo it's better than another idea of making both 13

mhss1992 · 03-26-2009, 12:32 PM

Which one is harder, Shining Sword or Hero's Theme? I wanted to be sure before I replaced my Hero's Theme AAA replay.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 03-26-2009, 12:52 PM

I would have to agree with the majority that Nitrx is a low VC. First of all the jacks are quite tough to pa and later on the jumps w/ 64ths are a pain to read and PA.

Vote4Nixon · 03-26-2009, 04:41 PM

Glad to see my file has sparked some discussion, haha. So Nitrx has been out for a while now, and judging by the AAAs : players ratio, I guess it would fit as a low VC, though I'm not too sure. I don't find it hard at all (then again, it's my highest non-rank 1 song on my levelrank), but that's just me ?_?.

The jacks IIRC are around 138 BPM if they were 16ths, so they're not too terrible (though that 64th split into the jack triplet is >_>). Also, the 64th splits go to the "vocals"/screaming noise. All 64th notes can be hit as jumps...maybe it would be helpful to run through the file a couple times just focusing on the vocal noises in the JS section?

Hmmm, in retrospect, I guess I shoulda made them 192nds.

EDIT: WOW AAAs : players ratio is a pretty dumb ****ing statistic to base any decision off of. Ownt in my face.

stavie33 · 03-27-2009, 04:56 PM

Holy **** @ perfect cherry storm. What's the max BPM on that thing? Just from the Replay that looks AT LEAST an 82, maybe even an 83, but wow

**Coolboyrulez0** · 03-27-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stavie33

Holy **** @ perfect cherry storm. What's the max BPM on that thing? Just from the Replay that looks AT LEAST an 82, maybe even an 83, but wow

I believe 210BPM i have the file

**bballa48** · 03-27-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stavie33

Holy **** @ perfect cherry storm. What's the max BPM on that thing? Just from the Replay that looks AT LEAST an 82, maybe even an 83, but wow

It really didn't feel that tough to me... it felt similar to Mario Minor in terms of difficulty... maybe even easier.

Kidney Stone on the other hand.... Holy crap.

**Kairon** · 03-27-2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jimerax

new standard now
DP = highest 12 (95)
RATO = lowest 13 (96)

imo it's better than another idea of making both 13

Better why? At the moment, DP's level stats are far worse than that of any other FGO, yet comparable to RATO. Personally, I think it fits perfectly well as the easiest of the 13s.

**Ground_Breaker** · 03-27-2009, 05:49 PM

ABCDeath is not a 10. The awkward 12/24ths make it probably a 9, but the length is really why I'm having a hard time believing it's a 10.

**jimerax** · 03-27-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kairon

Better why? At the moment, DP's level stats are far worse than that of any other FGO, yet comparable to RATO. Personally, I think it fits perfectly well as the easiest of the 13s.

because I don't want to whore 13.
as a result, the range of FGO might get a bit wider though.

stavie33 · 03-27-2009, 08:01 PM

ABCDEath looks like a C to me, or if it's a VC, then Nitrx is definitely VC, no debate

**bmah** · 03-27-2009, 11:38 PM

ABCDEath is easy to me. Without that one slightly difficult section, the simfile would be an 8. If that small part has to boost the difficulty of the file, it should be a 9 at most. 10 is too much.

Zybanthia · 03-27-2009, 11:45 PM

Concerning the Nitrix discussion, I've played it, and to put my two cents in (if I already have, sorry, I can't remember), I think it's a Challenging. Hate to sound like an elitist pro or whatever, but the jacks just really aren't that hard.

Also, Death Piano... FGO? You do realize that the hardest FGO Tier Req is technically Revolutionary Etude, with 20 or fewer. Death Piano is 300 or fewer. Uhhhh, if it's that much harder, is it really okay to classify it on the same level as the stepfile right below its difficulty in the Tier Point list? Or to even call it an FGO when people can't even pass it without practically quadding the whole thing? I mean, there are people that are actually good enough to AAA most of the FGOs. Almost all of them, in fact. There is nobody good enough to get even double digit good on DP and we're calling it FGO? FGO's always been at least doable, guys.

Niala · 03-28-2009, 08:52 AM

I'm split half and half with you, Zyb. I find the whole of Nitrx to just be really complicated and difficult to do, and PA. The 64th gallops, and even though you can just do them as a jump, throw me off a bunch and I don't really have anything better than 3 misses on it, which is pretty damn awful.

On the other hand, DP should not be an FGO. It's definitely a 13. I mean, I just went through it the other day for the first time, and I mean the whole way through for the first time. My initial thought was just "RATO is a hell of a lot easier to FC than this is..." I can't see DP being placed with the other FGO's. You have a good point, FGO's are always do-able. If something is unable to be AAA'd, or FC'd without just quadding your keyboard 90% of the time, it should be an FGO.

stavie33 · 03-28-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Niala

I'm split half and half with you, Zyb. I find the whole of Nitrx to just be really complicated and difficult to do, and PA. The 64th gallops, and even though you can just do them as a jump, throw me off a bunch and I don't really have anything better than 3 misses on it, which is pretty damn awful.

On the other hand, DP should not be an FGO. It's definitely a 13. I mean, I just went through it the other day for the first time, and I mean the whole way through for the first time. My initial thought was just "RATO is a hell of a lot easier to FC than this is..." I can't see DP being placed with the other FGO's. You have a good point, FGO's are always do-able. If something is unable to be AAA'd, or FC'd without just quadding your keyboard 90% of the time, it shouldn't be an FGO.

fix'd

And yes, I agree, DP should be 13 but JX has issues with it

Zybanthia · 03-28-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Niala

I'm split half and half with you, Zyb. I find the whole of Nitrx to just be really complicated and difficult to do, and PA. The 64th gallops, and even though you can just do them as a jump, throw me off a bunch and I don't really have anything better than 3 misses on it, which is pretty damn awful.

Honestly Nitrix is one of those songs where if it becomes VC then it's not like I feel a great injustice has been served. That's like if Vertex BETA were to be a VC oh wait

Quote:

Originally Posted by stavie33

DP should be 13 but JX has issues with it

JX here's some incentive: IT TAKES IT OFF THE FGO RANDOM LIST.

Cool stuff man, eh? Come on, you gotta admit.

**Patashu** · 03-28-2009, 03:07 PM

Looks like Nitrix is just hard in an unconventional way; unusual pattern reading.

Kinda like how AIM Anthem can be a VC or an FGO depending on how terrible you are at the jacktrills

**qqwref** · 03-28-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Patashu

Looks like Nitrix is just hard in an unconventional way; unusual pattern reading.

Kinda like how AIM Anthem can be a VC or an FGO depending on how terrible you are at the jacktrills

There are jacktrills? >_>

I've never gotten a combo past the jackjumps part...

03-25-2009, 03:46 PM	#2021
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Nitrx is low VC, please change it. I know it's not that hard, but I can't AAA it consistently while I have never failed to AAA Carousel Paradise or Dot Death, and those are VC's (easiest), so Nitrx should be a 68-69 IMO __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

03-25-2009, 03:55 PM	#2022
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 For FotBB, don't use spread or you'll make the trills that much harder for yourself.

03-25-2009, 09:12 PM	#2023
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 FOTBB and Silence was actually 13 new standard now DP = highest 12 (95) RATO = lowest 13 (96) imo it's better than another idea of making both 13

03-26-2009, 12:32 PM	#2024
mhss1992 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 788	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Which one is harder, Shining Sword or Hero's Theme? I wanted to be sure before I replaced my Hero's Theme AAA replay. __________________ jnbidevniuhyb scores: Nomina Nuda Tenemus 1-0-0-0, Anti-Ares 1-0-0-0 Best AAA: Frictional Nevada (Done while FFR was out, so it doesn't show in my level stats) Resting. I might restart playing FFR seriously someday.

03-26-2009, 12:52 PM	#2025
Coolboyrulez0 VICES Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Age: 30 Posts: 10,031	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I would have to agree with the majority that Nitrx is a low VC. First of all the jacks are quite tough to pa and later on the jumps w/ 64ths are a pain to read and PA.

03-27-2009, 04:56 PM	#2027
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Holy **** @ perfect cherry storm. What's the max BPM on that thing? Just from the Replay that looks AT LEAST an 82, maybe even an 83, but wow __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

03-27-2009, 05:49 PM	#2031
Ground_Breaker FFR Veteran Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Texas Age: 34 Posts: 789	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 ABCDeath is not a 10. The awkward 12/24ths make it probably a 9, but the length is really why I'm having a hard time believing it's a 10. __________________ fgsfds

03-27-2009, 08:01 PM	#2033
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 ABCDEath looks like a C to me, or if it's a VC, then Nitrx is definitely VC, no debate __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

03-27-2009, 11:38 PM	#2034
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 ABCDEath is easy to me. Without that one slightly difficult section, the simfile would be an 8. If that small part has to boost the difficulty of the file, it should be a 9 at most. 10 is too much.

03-27-2009, 11:45 PM	#2035
Zybanthia FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 809	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Concerning the Nitrix discussion, I've played it, and to put my two cents in (if I already have, sorry, I can't remember), I think it's a Challenging. Hate to sound like an elitist pro or whatever, but the jacks just really aren't that hard. Also, Death Piano... FGO? You do realize that the hardest FGO Tier Req is technically Revolutionary Etude, with 20 or fewer. Death Piano is 300 or fewer. Uhhhh, if it's that much harder, is it really okay to classify it on the same level as the stepfile right below its difficulty in the Tier Point list? Or to even call it an FGO when people can't even pass it without practically quadding the whole thing? I mean, there are people that are actually good enough to AAA most of the FGOs. Almost all of them, in fact. There is nobody good enough to get even double digit good on DP and we're calling it FGO? FGO's always been at least doable, guys. Last edited by Zybanthia; 03-27-2009 at 11:52 PM..

03-28-2009, 08:52 AM	#2036
Niala (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fredericton Age: 33 Posts: 1,696	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I'm split half and half with you, Zyb. I find the whole of Nitrx to just be really complicated and difficult to do, and PA. The 64th gallops, and even though you can just do them as a jump, throw me off a bunch and I don't really have anything better than 3 misses on it, which is pretty damn awful. On the other hand, DP should not be an FGO. It's definitely a 13. I mean, I just went through it the other day for the first time, and I mean the whole way through for the first time. My initial thought was just "RATO is a hell of a lot easier to FC than this is..." I can't see DP being placed with the other FGO's. You have a good point, FGO's are always do-able. If something is unable to be AAA'd, or FC'd without just quadding your keyboard 90% of the time, it should be an FGO.

03-28-2009, 03:07 PM	#2039
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 33 Posts: 8,609	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Looks like Nitrix is just hard in an unconventional way; unusual pattern reading. Kinda like how AIM Anthem can be a VC or an FGO depending on how terrible you are at the jacktrills __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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