TWG CLXV - The Wine In Front Of Me - Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Litodude

it got deleted but w/e






this is relevant to my interests because it's about mechanics!!

raeko is making the assumption that there isn't a JK, because if there was a JK, lightknight wouldn't have died in night phase; the JK would protect LK after the cop-claim, and wolves would choose someone else.

i agree with this assumption, because i already deduced at d1 start - it's pretty obvious: after d0 theorycrafting and flipping of the two PRs, the only PRs left are vigi, ic, and jk. if there was a vigi (doubtful because it's harmful to wolves, statistically speaking), i am pretty sure they would've vigi'd d0, because i think we can agree that a miskill on the human is not as bad as a chance a truekilling a wolf. and as aforementioned, if there was a JK, lightknight would've been safe. that leaves IC.

I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER BUT FIRST,


WITH THAT SAID, it is INCREDIBLY fuckin obvious mechanically speaking, and yoshl mentioning that HE cannot fathom YOU(raeko) can be 100% sure there isn't a JK, is uh, what do you whippersnappers call it nowadays.. bussing / dumbtell? yeah that's the words

Dude, we're all talking about coming to that conclusion BEFORE PHASE START, without knowing lightknight died or flipped cop. Of course it's incredibly obvious there's no JK after the cop who claimed fucking died. Nobody's disputing that, not even YoshL.

MECHANICS

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Can we lynch haku please?

I can normally kind of understand where Haku is coming from in games. His logic can be a little iffy at times, but it's mostly followable and his reads make sense. I've talked to him about this before, too. In A&A his reads were on point, so much so that deadchat was rooting for him. Last game he tunneled on me, tried to consider other options, but ended up getting stuck in it.
This game he's made NO SENSE. Like, his actions and reads have all left me ????ing. All game, his logic doesn't add up at all and it really feels like he's just thinking of wack shit to spew in thread so people dismiss him as "oh its just Haku".
Someone asked what a Haku implosion looks like. In the lost wolves game, I caught Haku in the last phase. I called out a bunch of blatant contradictions and exposed him lying. He spent the rest of the phase making no sense to me, and that almost caused me to dismiss what I'd found as "oh it's just Haku". We lost anyways, but he had spent all phase posting as a caught wolf.
This is the only other time in recent memory where I can't even begin to comprehend where he's coming from, and I'm starting to see it's because we've been dealing with a caught wolf all game.

good post

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by YoshL

That being said, I don't think sunfan ever revisited that either

legit forgot about it during my reread LOL

[roundbox]

your team implies I'm bussing indheart and nullreading raeko
I could do the same thing but this would just clog up the thread with more petty BS

[YoshL]

@lito the mechanics in question that we've been discussing are kinda obvious at the moment, but the discussion was pertinent in the context of **during night 1 before lightnight's flip**

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

good post

You're gonna love where I eat my words and take it all back based on a toneread

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by Charu

Generically, I feel all three (Okay, maybe just two) of you are generally very quiet about your thoughts.

mellon is constantly coming in here and repeatedly keeps saying that thesunfan is super wolf tier 9001, so she's that going for her to make me think the way I'm thinking.

I am generally pretty quiet about my thoughts you're right, and don't usually try to really push anyone. but I'm trying to be a bit more confident during this game because I always second guess myself which always bites me in the bum

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

The game is over dude, they're like conceding right now.

I was really town here. Just a shitty one.

Haku I will legitimately never understand your headspace

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Lol little do we know this is real and we all just got dunk'd on

its modkillable if its real so I doubt its real

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by YoshL

@lito the mechanics in question that we've been discussing are kinda obvious at the moment, but the discussion was pertinent in the context of **during night 1 before lightnight's flip**

someone can write up a post and then just not post it if that person doesn't die. there was a STRONG chance of LK dying because of his claim, so taking a small risk of wasting a bit of time vs coming out fighting like that when what is likely to happen, does happen?

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Litodude

if there was a vigi (doubtful because it's harmful to wolves, statistically speaking), i am pretty sure they would've vigi'd d0, because i think we can agree that a miskill on the human is not as bad as a chance a truekilling a wolf. and as aforementioned, if there was a JK, lightknight would've been safe. that leaves IC.

SO. WHERE ARE WE.

I believe that the current list of players that have a vote on them are either human or wolf. impossible to be PR (inno). why? because they'll just flip before eod, and you'll have to reset reads AGAIN.

it would NOT be in the interest of humans if the IC flips as it gets closer to eod, because a NRSFD might occur (Non-Race Specific Fire Drill) and you'll have to panic reset again

inb4 lito ur fucking blue hunting again shut the fuck up

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Votes from post 1606 to post 2404
Night in 7:38:30
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 4 -- inDheart -- Litodude (87), choof (52), thesunfan (164), FreezinIce (85)
• 2 -- Charu -- inDheart (46), Hakulyte (108)
• 2 -- Hakulyte -- YoshL (53), ShadoWolfe (73)
• 3 -- not voting -- Charu (86), mellonxcollie (40), roundbox (1)

anyone who's reading anyone atm with a vote is ...'safe', essentially. you can still use ic flip to make sure allies happen, and if push comes to shove with votes whomever the IC is (see look i'm not hunting) will trump card it out and use reset button

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by YoshL

@lito the mechanics in question that we've been discussing are kinda obvious at the moment, but the discussion was pertinent in the context of **during night 1 before lightnight's flip**

oh

[Litodude]

ignore me

[ShadoWolfe]

What does it mean when there's a near-universally scumread player all through two phases?

Does it mean they're being bussed by their wolf mates or does it mean they're an easy mislynch?

What about when that same player plays acting like he isn't being scumread?

#inDheartconfusesme

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Does a wolf ever make the post x/y/z are scum break my world? Does a wolf ever let themselves get hammered like this?

its hakulyte

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

its hakulyte

Bet you couldn't wait to throw that one back at me huh

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by roundbox

iono what to make of you either
post something big and concrete about all of the players in the game

@freezin

[Litodude]

build the wall, build the wall

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by roundbox

@freezin

Yeah I saw.

I am indeed EMBOLDENED by the generally positive reception my last big post got which is a nice change from the norm. While I have posted my reads earlier detailing them more couldn't hurt.

[ShadoWolfe]

unvote
Yeah I'm valuing my toneread over all the shitty logic, content, and wack ass shit Haku's done this game.

Also something's really bugging me about Freezin that I had forgotten after EoD and just remembered
Pulling it up now