Old 08-7-2017, 05:10 AM   #1
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvh382yoNYI

the average guy's range for this seems to be 20,000-30,000; a strong kid is maybe 10,000. the strongest punch on this machine is Jake Pacer Allen, a UK strongman who hit 94,000.

what's interesting to me is that this seems to correlate with bench press, i.e. average guy can bench about 120 and this guy can probably bench 450 which is very close to the ratio of the average punch to his score. it'd be interesting to see even stronger people doing this thing.
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I'd love to try this machine.

I'm sure many heavy weight boxers and MMA champions could beat this guys punch, and those guys definitely have big bench presses.

It's going to be a combination of pure upper body force, which bench press is a crude measure of, and technique.
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F = ma

Bench press will give you upper body mass and mostly impulsive strength (for that matter) in a pushing motion against mass.

When punching you use that impulsion partly but certainly not Mostly. You get the mass from how heavy you are. The acceleration part comes mainly from punching technique and starts from your feet. The momentum transfer through rotation of the different parts of your body (which bench press builds nothing of that except a few muscle contraction/extension speed) is what will yield the best acceleration for your mass. This is basic martial arts science.

Unless you actually have a big enough dataset to make a definite correlation on bench press max and punch force, I don't believe you can make that assumption with just that info. The people who bench press probably don't Only work on their bench press.

tl;dr, it probably helps, but there's no real evidence that it helps significantly more than other strength workout and no there's no way it helps anywhere near punching technique practice.
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to say the two are correlated is pretty intuitive (how would you argue the converse case?)
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to say the two are correlated is pretty intuitive (how would you argue the converse case?)
proof by contradiction, find someone who has huge upper body who can only throw weak baby punches, obviously
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proof by contradiction, find someone who has huge upper body who can only throw weak baby punches, obviously
You don't prove a correlation wrong with contradiction lol. It's stats, not a theorem.

But anyway dinm0 why would it be "intuitive" ? My point was it's maybe correlated for the stuff I mentionned (you gain body mass + impulsive strenght) but that's irrelevant because most workouts do the same thing + martial art punching training (or combat sports) would help so much more.
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Absolutely, I would expect that any exercises that produce upper body hypertrophy would produce an increase in punch strength due to gains in mass.

With that said, while I would assume the heaviest MMA/Boxers and Powerlifters would score highest force on this punching machine, even total force isn't necessarily relevant to how effective your punches are. Knowing how and where to punch someone is far more important than punching them as hard as possible, so I agree that technique is by far the most important factor.


Still, would be fun to give this thing a try.
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Arch what especially do you find interesting about those correlation coefficients ?

To me it seems like the mean propulsive power from squats rightfully has the highest one. But all those exercises/skills would definitely help develop a stronger punch.
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Arch what especially do you find interesting about those correlation coefficients ?

To me it seems like the mean propulsive power from squats rightfully has the highest one.
and I can tell you why

it is somewhat misleading to say that squats help you develop punch force because a lot of people will take this to mean that like, glutes and hamstrings will help you with punch force

the main things about a squat that help you are

1. hip muscles
2. quad muscles, specifically the quad muscles used in a quarter squat

hip muscles are enormously important in punch force. MMA fighters all have ridiculous obliques, if you haven't noticed.

quarter squat is a joke of an exercise for training purposes, BUT it is by far the best exercise to improve vertical jump height

http://www.stack.com/a/quarter-squat...jumping-higher

rack pulls from the knee probably have a similar effect

so it makes sense that squat, but especially quarter squat would have this effect

I would also imagine the second half of a bench press (engaging more shoulders and serratus) would have a far higher correlation with punch force than the first half
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Punch force is easy to understand. The hard part is understanding the resistance and damage capacity of the cranial and facial structures.
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and I can tell you why

it is somewhat misleading to say that squats help you develop punch force because a lot of people will take this to mean that like, glutes and hamstrings will help you with punch force

the main things about a squat that help you are

1. hip muscles
2. quad muscles, specifically the quad muscles used in a quarter squat

hip muscles are enormously important in punch force. MMA fighters all have ridiculous obliques, if you haven't noticed.

quarter squat is a joke of an exercise for training purposes, BUT it is by far the best exercise to improve vertical jump height

http://www.stack.com/a/quarter-squat...jumping-higher

rack pulls from the knee probably have a similar effect

so it makes sense that squat, but especially quarter squat would have this effect

I would also imagine the second half of a bench press (engaging more shoulders and serratus) would have a far higher correlation with punch force than the first half
I mean, yes ?

Are we agreeing here that bench press isn't much relevant to punch force IN COMPARISON to maaaany other exercises ? If not, could you please let me know what I might have misunderstood ?
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no, bench press still has a huge correlation
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The hard part is understanding the resistance and damage capacity of the cranial and facial structures.
I'm not sure about that, although you're welcome to elaborate because I'd like to hear what you have to say
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