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Congrats to dragonman2, hard_choices, lukeoid, theropfather, Riotpolice, FirstMaple8, rCaliberGX, and Shxfted for winning the ramen!

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All credit prizes for 4th through 8th in the divisions have been awarded. D8 has all 3 new event tokens unlocked for them.
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I'm curious as to why prizes for the tourney are being announced so far through the actual event. Why weren't the event tokens disclosed at the beginning? Like, players who have all the past event tokens weren't incentivized to try as hard in this tourney, only to see that prizes were added after they were already eliminated? Rob even asked me if I had any intention to play the night before I was eliminated and I told him, not really because I already have vROFL. Then very shortly after, Strangeprogram v0 is added to the prize pool midway through the tournament? That's pretty silly.
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I'm curious as to why prizes for the tourney are being announced so far through the actual event. Why weren't the event tokens disclosed at the beginning? Like, players who have all the past event tokens weren't incentivized to try as hard in this tourney, only to see that prizes were added after they were already eliminated? Rob even asked me if I had any intention to play the night before I was eliminated and I told him, not really because I already have vROFL. Then very shortly after, Strangeprogram v0 is added to the prize pool midway through the tournament? That's pretty silly.
To the bolded section - and to all players this applies to: that's 100% the fault of the player in question. If you're incentivized to participate only through a prize and not to compete/perform to the best of your capabilities against other people in your division, the only one to blame here is you.
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I'm curious as to why prizes for the tourney are being announced so far through the actual event. Why weren't the event tokens disclosed at the beginning? Like, players who have all the past event tokens weren't incentivized to try as hard in this tourney, only to see that prizes were added after they were already eliminated? Rob even asked me if I had any intention to play the night before I was eliminated and I told him, not really because I already have vROFL. Then very shortly after, Strangeprogram v0 is added to the prize pool midway through the tournament? That's pretty silly.
Prizes can be added at any given time during a tournament, especially with people donating things and things that may still be in the works. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you're joining a tournament you should be playing to the best of your ability to begin with if you aren't why even bother signing up at all? Surprises make things fun, people enjoyed these things being revealed during our live streams. I apologize if you didn't enjoy that aspect, but for a good chunk of those in it, they did.

I will never be able to make people happy 100% of the time. This was my decision, so I guess be upset with me if you'd like to. But there will be other OTs in the future to achieve it. The other prize tokens added will be available during other events on the site as well.
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To the bolded section - and to all players this applies to: that's 100% the fault of the player in question. If you're incentivized to participate only through a prize and not to compete/perform to the best of your capabilities against other people in your division, the only one to blame here is you.
This is a pretty self-serving argument and one that holds no weight whatsoever. Believe it or not there are players motivated to perform well in tournaments for reasons other than assessing their skill level relative to others, like you. Some players, surprisingly apparently, are interested in the tangible prizes. There are many, MANY players that set top 8 as a goal specifically to maximize their token output, and not so much to say they're top 8 in their division. And when those players already have vROFL, they're not motivated to invest the time required to place higher given there's no personal utility for them in doing so. There aren't many competitions that disclose prizes at a point where 80% of the competitors have already been eliminated, and saying 'well you should've tried harder just for the sake of competition' doesn't really cut it as a valid counterargument. Sorry if that's a difficult concept to grasp, though I don't know why you're responding with such authority given you're not the manager of this tournament anyways.

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I will never be able to make people happy 100% of the time. This was my decision, so I guess be upset with me if you'd like to. But there will be other OTs in the future to achieve it. The other prize tokens added will be available during other events on the site as well.
I don't care about donated prizes from users, of course those are going to come in on a rolling basis. I care about the officially sanctioned prizes offered by the site, which should have been announced at the start of the tourney. And the difference is that the people viewing the stream previews are mostly in the subset of players still in the tournament, so of course they're going to be receptive. This doesn't affect them. I know factually there are many players that agree with what I'm saying and just haven't posted anything because they know the potential shitstorm that will start, and they don't want to deal with that. Rob even told me not to post. But I really don't care, I find this extremely unethical.
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I don't care about donated prizes from users, of course those are going to come in on a rolling basis. I care about the officially sanctioned prizes offered by the site, which should have been announced at the start of the tourney. And the difference is that the people viewing the stream previews are mostly in the subset of players still in the tournament, so of course they're going to be receptive. This doesn't affect them. I know factually there are many players that agree with what I'm saying and just haven't posted anything because they know the potential shitstorm that will start, and they don't want to deal with that. Rob even told me not to post. But I really don't care, I find this extremely unethical.
There were way more than just who was left attending the streams, prizes can be announced at any time. Sorry it didn't work out for you, if others have issues they can voice them themselves to me. There's nothing futher to say on this.
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At this point, I'm personally just starting to feel that this point was made in bad faith given that the initial point literally came out as this:
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I also think that it's ridiculous that because the prizes aren't "officially sanctioned" at the start of the tournament that it requires a different merit. It's a prize, it's put into the tournament. Separating them out as anything but that is simply an attempt at leverage in argument that boils down to nothing more than the initial point you made in the first place: you didn't want to play due to a lack of incentive and I find that to the fault of you and any other player who elected to simply bow out due to a lack of motivation.

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My bad on calling you and others out that did this for not putting a full effort in and not being authentic competitors of the tournament. I didn't realize that it was such a "point of authority" for me to sit here and say your complacency isn't an excuse to whine about not getting something that you didn't deserve to get because you didn't put in the effort -- especially when there were actual PHYSICAL prizes announced very near the start of the tournament (well before top 8) that were further up the ladder.

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I don't think they released the strangprogram v0 when they did with the intent to spite people who were already eliminated - and you probably don't think that either I'd imagine.

attempting to add excitement later isn't guilty of error imo but would of been more wreckless for example if they said "oh yah you'll win this" and then they like, downgraded the prize to a lesser token or said here have half the credits we mentioned at the start.

edit: sorry for the the pile on magda :v I c aj and kayla posting next to each other in more than one way :P but just now im realizing the potential shit storm you mentioned can be very entertaining and thus the real reason for you're complaint (:<?

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My bad on calling you and others out that did this for not putting a full effort in and not being authentic competitors of the tournament.
Awfully high horse you're sitting on there~ At some point, especially in a game like this that requires time and effort to be put into playing the same 2-4 minute long song over and over, you have to weigh whether the reward you will get out of it is worth the time invested. And wowie the reward didn't exist :o) so excuse me for being, you know, a working adult who decided to dedicate her free time to something more worthwhile. But hey, I suppose that's just me not being an authentic competitor! If genuine competition is what you're looking for, you know what might help with that? Announcing all the official prizes at the beginning of a tournament.

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I don't think there was malicious intent behind the announcement either, like obviously Kayla is just trying to make an exciting tournament, yes. But at the same time, I truly think it's unfair to those who were already eliminated who would have been more motivated to perform to the best of their abilities by the token pool.
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I can't turn back time and change what's already done. To me, it was fun added excitement that to my knowledge people enjoyed. There were other prizes that were added before the top 8 as well that people could have strived for, such as the necklace. So I really didn't think it was a big deal.

If others have an issue with surprises being added I'd like them to voice it too, because frankly I really like having them and if the majority is okay with it I'd like to still do them in the future. But if that many people are pissed off then I wont.
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oh dang so its a debate between who's better and who quantifies their time worthy of it being spent on the game - the objective of one side is not to waste time while the other will gladly give it to achieve status or feel like they broke even :u

interesting stuff to think about after having played so long but never really having thought about :v

edit: so morally speaking the harder you work the better outcome you should be able to deserve?? I'll stop budding in now :v

editv2: OH but people who compete for raw competitions in theory, the prizes don't matter to them as much. More like icing on a cake... the plot line thickens in subsequence.

editv3: my personal conclusion is that the mainstream player would be more driven to win a prize while unironically the more capable person of doing it naturally has the experience already to care less given their imagination...
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Awfully high horse you're sitting on there~ At some point, especially in a game like this that requires time and effort to be put into playing the same 2-4 minute long song over and over, you have to weigh whether the reward you will get out of it is worth the time invested. And wowie the reward didn't exist ) so excuse me for being, you know, a working adult who decided to dedicate her free time to something more worthwhile. But hey, I suppose that's just me not being an authentic competitor! If genuine competition is what you're looking for, you know what might help with that? Announcing all the official prizes at the beginning of a tournament.
@ bolded statement: bold of you to assume that literally no one else in this tournament falls in the same situation.

As far as the rest: there's still no one else to blame but yourself for the laziness, because at the end of the day, guess what: if you would have put in the effort instead of worrying about top 8 and there being "nothing else", you would have gotten a more favorable placement and still gotten what you wanted (and likely deserved).

If you had the capability to push forward, you should have. You barely put any effort into recording attempts through just about anything in this tournament and as a result, likely didn't do anything to really figure out how to improve your scores in an optimal manner - you got eliminated and got the result you deserved.

As I said before: this complaining is coming in bad faith. Put more effort next time and apply yourself.

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I remember regretting not trying harder to push to round 4 cause I played the round so late in the week - but that was more of a pride thing and unforeseen reinstatement to D7 but I felt humble to be remembered as a 'D7' player.

All and all I made it as far as I did last time lmao and at no point did prizes even reach my attention but that's coming from me personally.

The last time I was prize hungry was when vrofl was 500 mill in a day :O

edit: also I remember getting top 5 in d6 one year after having had vrofl already but didnt know till the tourney was long over that oh yah vrofl is a top 8 thing guess I forgot
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I can't turn back time and change what's already done. To me, it was fun added excitement that to my knowledge people enjoyed. There were other prizes that were added before the top 8 as well that people could have strived for, such as the necklace. So I really didn't think it was a big deal.

If others have an issue with surprises being added I'd like them to voice it too, because frankly I really like having them and if the majority is okay with it I'd like to still do them in the future. But if that many people are pissed off then I wont.
Okay like, surprises midway through are one thing. I see the value in adding excitement in that method, sure. But when the prizes that are added are direct content for the game that will remain inaccessible for the time being, that's the frustrating part. Knowing the schedule for a tournament allows you to plan when to play and how much effort is worth putting in because you see the prize pool, you see your competition, you have a general idea of where you can get to. I think it would be more fair for the prizes that get added in midway through or whatever to not be correlated with additional content for the game itself, and quite restrictive at that. What's done is done and I'm not asking for a change but going forward I think it would be kinder to players to disclose such content from the start.

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@ bolded statement: bold of you to assume that literally no one else in this tournament falls in the same situation.

As far as the rest: there's still no one else to blame but yourself for the laziness, because at the end of the day, guess what: if you would have put in the effort instead of worrying about top 8 and there being "nothing else", you would have gotten a more favorable placement and still gotten what you wanted (and likely deserved).

If you had the capability to push forward, you should have. You barely put any effort into recording attempts through just about anything in this tournament and as a result, likely didn't do anything to really figure out how to improve your scores in an optimal manner - you got eliminated and got the result you deserved.

As I said before: this complaining is coming in bad faith. Put more effort next time and apply yourself.

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Apparently I need to deconstruct this further. Some players quite frankly couldn't give less of a shit about their final placement in the tournament. So when you say I could have pushed further and gotten a more favorable placement, that alone means absolutely nothing to me. It would have been through sheer coincidence that I would have received something worthwhile to me personally but only on the basis that it wasn't disclosed until that late in the tournament. You can harp on players should play to the best of their abilities regardless all you want. Apparently you can't see that there's a direct correlation between time invested and what the prospective rewards would be for that player. Players that are incentivized by competition alone, like you, exist. This is common knowledge. Players that don't care about competition and are more motivated by prizes, especially ones that result in additional game content, exist. Saying that the latter mindset shouldn't exist is absurd, not everyone takes this game as seriously as you but would still enjoy competing for these types of prizes.
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I still dont understand the vrofl thing. Is it for clout, because I literally only played it once. Who fucking cares about vrofl lmao
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vrofl is for me a historical thing cause I had played it years ago when it was public for only one day and at the time had never seen some thing so difficult lmao

really more of a ha ha nostalgic wtf arrow difficulty feeling vibe idk
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