11-22-2019, 02:35 PM | #21 | |
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11-22-2019, 02:36 PM | #22 |
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Re: Who all is going to delete their youtube channel come Jan 1?
i mean like, it's whatever, if i get swept into something then i know a lawyer who's been paying attention and could possibly be interested in building a class
just ban the fuckers until their parents submit their paper form like we all "had" "to" in 2003. i really would've liked it more if they set it up as an additional age gate so i could physically prevent 12-minus-year-olds from having to encounter my content |
11-22-2019, 02:56 PM | #23 |
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I think the chances of a class action lawsuit against YouTube for breaking the law and basically punishing the content they encouraged before they where caught has a seriously good chance of being a successful claim.
Theoretically I don't run ads on my videos so I shouldn't even have to worry about this shit buy YouTube, against my will and without my permission, still collects data on the people who watch my videos so I don't see how I don't have a case when their actions lead to the FTC fining me 42K But that does lead to the question of what happens when, say, Pony Canyon claims your video and runs ads themselves. Like if it's a targeted ad and the FTC decides that Fatal Frame 3 is for children (ha) does Pony Canyon get the fine for forcing the ad on there against my will or do I get it as the video owner. What a fucking mess EDIT:It appears that as long as data is being mined it doesn't matter who benefits from the ad. So it's down to the video owner being responsible or YouTube being responsible because they mine shit YouTube is trying to pass the buck and say that we should mark videos if they are for kids so they can blacklist them forever and if we don't, it isn't their fault if they mine some kid's data. Legally, YouTube doesn't have to have our videos visible but that's a clear hostage situation and I have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that nothing couldn't be done about it if content creators start getting career ending fines because of something YouTube decided to do on it's own. Last edited by MixMasterLar; 11-22-2019 at 03:06 PM.. |
11-22-2019, 03:22 PM | #24 |
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Re: Who all is going to delete their youtube channel come Jan 1?
A good consideration is that if shit really hits the fan, you can start downloading the videos from your channel now (if you're the owner, you can download your videos in the Studio view) and consider another website to host them on.
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11-22-2019, 03:33 PM | #25 |
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I would ideally move everything to Facebook but the FTC is more or less internet wide I don't think any site big enough for consideration would be off their radar for that long.
Downloading videos you think might get purged unfairly, especially from older inactive channels, is something to consider. I'm sure we all know ways to accomplish downloading a YT video |
11-22-2019, 05:39 PM | #26 |
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This isn't a YouTube-specific thing, it applies to literally all websites that collect info from their users. YouTube is absolutely in the firing line because of their popularity, but if everyone migrated to DailyMotion, you'd still be in the crosshairs.
YouTube sucks tremendous ass and consistently forces its legal problems onto the content creators instead of actually implementing meaningful change from the inside... that's the real reason you should leave YouTube, not because of COPPA. At any rate, I'd suggest everyone actually go and read the legislation since there's a lot of misinformation and fearmongering out there. I don't think there's a huge reason to be concerned, unless you deliberately misrepresent your content to market to children.
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11-22-2019, 05:48 PM | #27 |
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If actual humans review my content I'm not concern.
If YouTube gives them a bot like it does to the companies that copyright shit for a living, then that's an entire other issue |
11-22-2019, 05:51 PM | #28 | |
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Their algorithms are extremely good at what they're trained to do: make YouTube money and save their asses from legal or PR trouble. They straight-up do not give a shit about their content creators. Capitalism, etc |
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11-22-2019, 05:56 PM | #29 |
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I mean, I could switch my stuff to Facebook and get just as many views/make as much money as I ever have (zero bucks)
It's legit just seeing half the platform get wrecked and everyone basically having to abandoned ship that gets my goat. you are absolutely right that we should have all gotten off YouTube a long time ago, so I guess when you stand in traffic you can't lay 100% of the blame on the car that's hitting you. |
11-22-2019, 06:00 PM | #30 | |
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Something that would be wonderful (but will never happen) is if prominent YouTubers unionized. Same with Uber and really any distributed "service" that builds fortunes off the backs of content creators or service-providers. |
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11-22-2019, 06:01 PM | #31 | |
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I could see some bullshit algorithm pulling some shit on me for those videos. I mean does a tourist video showing a giant playground and slide appeal to kids? probably? But I definitely didn't make it for that purpose? idk. It's just so weird to me that it's so open ended that it could basically apply to anything, even people who posted silly tourist videos in 2010 |
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11-22-2019, 06:13 PM | #32 | |
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11-22-2019, 11:47 PM | #33 |
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a more thoughtful post:
here's the 42k in context quoted from part of their statement: 'The Rule allows for civil penalties of up to $42,530 per violation, but the FTC considers a number of factors in determining the appropriate amount, including a company’s financial condition and the impact a penalty could have on its ability to stay in business.' personally i have a video that has 3.2m views from 4 years ago with ads on it that is gameplay of a cartoonish game that has ~1,300 dollars of ad revenue accumulated with no other videos coming close. if they really wanted to go after me they could, but they wouldn't fine me 42k. they'd fine me a portion of 1,300 worst case scenario. but it wouldn't be worth their trouble. there are so many other people who make more who is more worth their time. point being they aren't just going to go crazy on small time people who don't make a living from it. there will likely be people made examples of who are rich from youtube but would survive outrageous fines like logan paul or pewdiepie (logan paul is way worse than pewdiepie but pewds is the face of yt of grey area) etc. who will approach the 42k per video as stated above. those are extreme outlier cases and waving that number around without context is fear mongering. if i made significantly more from youtube or was a regular content creator i would be very very worried. luckily for me this was never my livelihood. in fact i've never even claimed any of the money lol. personally moving forward i see no need to delete my yt channel but i won't monetize any new content i make because the sheer gray area leaves so much open to interpretation it's not worth the stress of seeing if pennies can be made from it on the side while it's done as a hobby. Last edited by awein999; 11-22-2019 at 11:59 PM.. |
11-23-2019, 02:38 PM | #34 |
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That's good to keep in mind, but like I said my worry isn't so much me getting a fined
But most of the concerns are all just speculation until something happens |
11-23-2019, 04:18 PM | #35 |
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I'm still going to keep it
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11-25-2019, 09:02 AM | #36 |
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Re: Who all is going to delete their youtube channel come Jan 1?
I already did less than 24 hours ago
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11-25-2019, 09:26 AM | #37 |
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i don't think you understand how much content is uploaded to youtube every second
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12-2-2019, 09:35 PM | #38 |
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12-3-2019, 05:51 PM | #39 |
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