The Fitness Thread

[Reach]

Reach: the very popular, now out-of-date genetic roulette is a starting point that I figure you'd have already encountered if you've read anything about this. Not too hard to find a bazillion for and against using that as a starting point. I don't have specific links, as when I was reading about it I didn't make a folder and bookmark them.

It's not a scientific source, and I ask for links because I took a lot of biochemistry in university and basically two classes in GMOs, one that was only on GMOs and I've had to dig through a lot of research on the subject.

And there is very little research that points to generalized, harmful effects of GMOs.

Quite the opposite. If anything, there is a long history of GMOs that were found to be incredibly safe and if anything superior to their on shelf counterparts (e.g. a more famous example, purple tomatoes, infused with antioxidants and engineered to last longer, but were taken off the shelfs in most places. There appears as if there might be a resurgence, but hey) that were either removed or didn't sell for various reasons.

And then you have absurd cases like the GM rice that was infused with vitamins, denied to many countries that needed it despite no evidence of it being unsafe.


http://www.ama-assn.org/resources/do...eeredfoods.pdf

http://goldenrice.org/PDFs/Opportuni...IBTEC_2009.pdf

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

eh, this might sound bad but I am indifferent

I'd be a hypocrite if I was okay with brain enhancement but not bodily enhancement. steroids strike me as human augmentation, a la transhumanism / Deus Ex HR; the muscular version of what we've been trying to do with our brains for decades. it seems arbitrary to reject one but not the other.

the main reason I am natural is because I don't know where I'd find a source who wouldn't sell me donkey urine in a vial or something, there is no quality control

Although if I could replace my arms with awesome metallic ones, I'd be all over that. Augmented vision and shit? Sign me up :O

Neuropozyne not so much.

[korny]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

eh, this might sound bad but I am indifferent

I'd be a hypocrite if I was okay with brain enhancement but not bodily enhancement. steroids strike me as human augmentation, a la transhumanism / Deus Ex HR; the muscular version of what we've been trying to do with our brains for decades. it seems arbitrary to reject one but not the other.

the main reason I am natural is because I don't know where I'd find a source who wouldn't sell me donkey urine in a vial or something, there is no quality control

The credibility of the effectiveness of these mind enhancing drugs is up to what you find to be adequate enough research done on behalf of these products, but I stand by them completely every single one.

Also I'm getting myself a 25 dollar pull up bar to get my work out on because that's all I need for what I'm trying to do. Watch out ladies.

[LLaMaSaUceYup]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

eh, this might sound bad but I am indifferent

I'd be a hypocrite if I was okay with brain enhancement but not bodily enhancement.

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by Frank Munoz

Man I feel so behind in cardio..
I honestly jogged for no more than 2 minutes and then that happened
and even then I was trying to do low intensity but now I gotta take it even slower.

My main intention was just to not get tired so easily

It'll come with time. Work to conquer your disadvantages. Make them your bitch.

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

eh, this might sound bad but I am indifferent

I'd be a hypocrite if I was okay with brain enhancement but not bodily enhancement. steroids strike me as human augmentation, a la transhumanism / Deus Ex HR; the muscular version of what we've been trying to do with our brains for decades. it seems arbitrary to reject one but not the other.

the main reason I am natural is because I don't know where I'd find a source who wouldn't sell me donkey urine in a vial or something, there is no quality control

Different.

Steroids make you bigger, stronger and/or faster depending on what drugs you're using and how much you're taking. Steroids also come with a plethora of side effects which can include physiological and mental instabilities. The safest way to take steroids would technically be to cruise on them. Coming off of them can be incredibly harmful. Not to mention they're illegal.

Cybernetic augmentation is meant to be a physiological and/or mental implementation that is meant to only improve, with little to no side effects. In a perfect world of course.

As always, you have to assess your personal goals. What are you in it for, and why?

Like a professionally certified body modification specialist once said "You do only have one life, and it's best to take every chance you get to try something new, but be cautious of the one-way streets."

[Arch0wl]

Everything I've read would suggest the side effects are only worth bothering about if you have a heart condition or high bloodpressure, which I don't; every other side effect is temporary, contingent on use of the drug. I've researched this, a little bit -- the side effects of coming off of it are mitigated by "PCT" or post-cycle therapy, which typically includes an anti-estrogen and an aromatase inhibitor.

The illegality doesn't bother me. Come on now -- the FFR community is a hub for the Stepmania sim community, which would not exist without piracy and is arguably founded on it. Anyone here who is scared of illegality categorically is living a serious contradiction.

If I took them, my motivation would be the same as my motivation for lifting natty -- the results.

But like I said, my biggest concern is that I have no way of knowing if what I'm getting is good. Fake tren, for example, is extremely common. I'd hate to inject scam substances into my system and waste money to boot.

[infinity.]

@frank, don't worry about how long it takes to get tired. set small goals for periods of time first (run a half a mile, run a mile, run for 15 minutes, etc). you can stop during the run, but don't quit. i struggled with half miles when i started and would get the same cramps within very short amounts of time, it's a combination of bad dieting and being out of shape (more so out of shape), your body adjusts over time

the biggest running advice anyone can ever give is "shut up and run!"

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

Everything I've read would suggest the side effects are only worth bothering about if you have a heart condition or high bloodpressure, which I don't; every other side effect is temporary, contingent on use of the drug. I've researched this, a little bit -- the side effects of coming off of it are mitigated by "PCT" or post-cycle therapy, which typically includes an anti-estrogen and an aromatase inhibitor.

The illegality doesn't bother me. Come on now -- the FFR community is a hub for the Stepmania sim community, which would not exist without piracy and is arguably founded on it. Anyone here who is scared of illegality categorically is living a serious contradiction.

If I took them, my motivation would be the same as my motivation for lifting natty -- the results.

But like I said, my biggest concern is that I have no way of knowing if what I'm getting is good. Fake tren, for example, is extremely common. I'd hate to inject scam substances into my system and waste money to boot.

The fact that you can lift and exercise to acquire both optimal health and physical well-being without drugs automatically wins in my opinion. Unless you're making a lifestyle about it, there's not much reason to put your body and wallet through the drugs and post-drugs side effects. I also only have to pay for my gym membership, whereas others would spend money on their drugs just to "look" good. Now, again, people who are making a living and a lifestyle in sports, go for it. For the average recreational lifter looking to gain good health and an attractive physique, it can be done without drugs.

I've been lifting for only one year with quite a few setbacks and I can honestly say that I look pretty good. I still have years to attain my natural physical potential muscularly speaking.

[korny]

Originally Posted by korny

The credibility of the effectiveness of these mind enhancing drugs is up to what you find to be adequate enough research done on behalf of these products, but I stand by them completely every single one.

Also I'm getting myself a 25 dollar pull up bar to get my work out on because that's all I need for what I'm trying to do. Watch out ladies.

I was so high i forgot to post the link the supplements I was recommending lmao

Here ya go https://www.onnit.com/supplements/

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by korny

I was so high i forgot to post the link the supplements I was recommending lmao

Here ya go https://www.onnit.com/supplements/

Definitely interesting. Will read up on this stuff.

[Arch0wl]

yeah, I saw your pics before Chris. don't get me wrong, you have done some amazing work and I respect it a ton.

you can do everything I'd like to do naturally, sure, and for the moment I'm doing it natty anyway -- in fact, as I'm writing this I just got back after making some gains -- but, like I said, I'm just indifferent to how I get there. if I could save 1,000+ gym hours by using PEDs without affecting my health (which should be possible), I would.

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

you can do everything I'd like to do naturally, sure, and for the moment I'm doing it natty anyway -- in fact, as I'm writing this I just got back after making some gains -- but, like I said, I'm just indifferent to how I get there. if I could save 1,000+ gym hours by using PEDs without affecting my health (which should be possible), I would.

Well, whatever you think is most beneficial to you personally, go for it duder.

On an unrelated note, something in my diet is making me incredibly bloated to the point of incredible pain and discomfort. Pretty sure it's my vegan protein (which I only use because I'm lactose intolerant), and that would be bad. Bad because I hate fish and I like chicken.

Here's what my diet pretty well consists of:

Bread
Peanut Butter
Almonds
Almond Milk
Pea Protein Isolate
Brown Rice
Chicken Breast
Red Meat
Potatoes
Fruits
Vitamin D and Omega-3

Thoughts? Anyone have any idea what it could be? I personally don't think I can eat much cleaner, to be honest with you.

EDIT: Not gluten intolerant.

[Arch0wl]

try switching to rice protein and see if that fixes anything

[SCWolf]

Thinking it may be the almond milk. Cereal this morning caused bloating and pain. Will try eliminating that for a bit and see what happens.

[Cavernio]

How do you get vitamin K? Also, cereal wasn't on your list.

[infinity.]

vegetables..?

[mnnicol]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

eh, this might sound bad but I am indifferent

I'd be a hypocrite if I was okay with brain enhancement but not bodily enhancement. steroids strike me as human augmentation, a la transhumanism / Deus Ex HR; the muscular version of what we've been trying to do with our brains for decades. it seems arbitrary to reject one but not the other.

the main reason I am natural is because I don't know where I'd find a source who wouldn't sell me donkey urine in a vial or something, there is no quality control

If you really wanted to, I'm sure you could ask one of the *obviously* roided out, cloud-looking bros at the gym for some gear.

I'll be sticking the natty route 'cos I can't imagine pricking myself for the rest of my life for just a hobby





@SCWolf - for one year, you're looking awesome! You've obviously got your diet in check, which is like 80% of the battle, so keep up the good work! You'll look insane by the end of the second year, I'm sure



And I'm up to 208 lbs now, but still pretty lean



Dat Instagram hnnnnnnng!

[Senip]

On roids: I dont think its nearly as bad as most people say, I don't really care who takes them, and as long as they arent trying to do natty shows, then thats fine.

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by Cavernio

How do you get vitamin K? Also, cereal wasn't on your list.

There's a vitamin complex in my protein. Not sure if serious about the cereal.

Originally Posted by infinity.

vegetables..?

About 3 times a week. I don't like vegetables, but I try to eat them as much as possible.

To be honest I'm pretty sure the reason behind my stomach and digestive problems as a whole derives from my years on accutane. Had blood work and an ultrasound done recently, so I'll find out soon.

[infinity.]

Originally Posted by SCWolf

There's a vitamin complex in my protein. Not sure if serious about the cereal.



About 3 times a week. I don't like vegetables, but I try to eat them as much as possible.

To be honest I'm pretty sure the reason behind my stomach and digestive problems as a whole derives from my years on accutane. Had blood work and an ultrasound done recently, so I'll find out soon.

try mixing them with stuff! I like them the best with curry or with brown rice and spices.. just seems not healthy to have so little veggies.

but your results are proven so whatever haha