04-9-2006, 07:35 PM | #1 |
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Twg XXIX Postgame Wolves Win
Afro - Blind wolf
Jursey - Blind Wolf TPS - Interrogator Talisman - Angel blah - Master Wolf Great game played on both sides. Blah had the excellent idea to pretend to be Tass to his Blind Wolves, and TPS went hardcore to hoodwink Jurs. Came right down to the wire, and ended with a large amount of EPIC-Ness. gg to all. |
04-9-2006, 07:37 PM | #2 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
Sigh.
Gut equaled Blah Logic= Tps7910: Give me reasons as to why Kilga has to be the wolf. mastr414: i honestly have none mastr414: except for the fact mastr414: that i know i'm not mastr414: and it makes most logical sense that you're not mastr414: so it just has to be him mastr414: i know that sounds weak mastr414: but its compeltely true Tps7910: This is a hard decision for me. Tps7910: His lasting through my drilling of questions. Tps7910: No way a wolf could have survived that. mastr414: honestly mastr414: no offense to you mastr414: but i don't buy that in the least mastr414: you're nto the end all be all of interrogators Tps7910: Of course I am. Tps7910: I got two wolves to reveal themselves : ) mastr414: i got 1 Tps7910: One with your help mastr414: and in the end mastr414: that's my strongest defense mastr414: is it really worth a wolf mastr414: to lose another wolf mastr414: and possibly 2 Tps7910: Yes. mastr414: if you think that mastr414: you're crazy Tps7910: You have confidence in yourself. mastr414: and that's all there is to it mastr414: it has nothing to do with that! mastr414: its pure math! mastr414: losing 1 wolf mastr414: costs 2 extra days mastr414: it just isn't worth it mastr414: because look at where we're at mastr414: a ****ign coin flip mastr414: as a confident wolf mastr414: why would i want a coin flip! Tps7910: What if you knew you could manipulate me? mastr414: i didn't mastr414: because all game mastr414: you've said you're suspicious of me mastr414: and not kilga mastr414: that's actualyl my best evidence against kilga mastr414: he woudl kill tasuke mastr414: because of that mastr414: he knows you don't suspect him mastr414: you've been kinda suspicious of me Tps7910: How would he know that? mastr414: in your lists mastr414: of order of suspicion mastr414: i've been in top 3 every time mastr414: so it woudl make sense mastr414: the other option of him vs tasuke is much harder for him mastr414: at least i think he'd think that mastr414: and again, no one woudl want to kill you mastr414: in case angel's alive mastr414: especially kilga! mastr414: he wants you alive mastr414: because he thinks you're on his side Tps7910: posted mastr414: you didn't bold it mastr414: you're so wrong man mastr414: but i honestly would expect nothing less Tps7910: Just wait. mastr414: ? Tps7910: There's more than what meets the eye. mastr414: is this a trick because you didn't bold? mastr414: i'm so confused mastr414: what does it gain Tps7910: If Kilga is the wolf Tps7910: He'll be like Tps7910: vote game over mastr414: if he's human he'll be like that too mastr414: either way mastr414: think about it Tps7910: I'm looking for a brag mastr414: ohhh mastr414: i don't think that's kilga's style mastr414: in the least Tps7910: Why hasn't he posted. Tps7910: Makes no sense. mastr414: but that at least makes sesne mastr414: ok i liek the play now mastr414: i see what your'e getting at mastr414: i just don't think it'll work with kilga Tps7910: I'm not that dumb : \ mastr414: mastr414: i didn't think of the brag at all mastr414: he's def not the bragging type though Tps7910: Well. Tps7910: You think he'll go just "Blah" Tps7910: Hard-fought win mastr414: i think so mastr414: and discuss more post game Tps7910: Also, I can't see you allowing the Jurs kill. mastr414: either way mastr414: i woudlun't allow any of it mastr414: i play to win mastr414: not for spite mastr414: or anything else mastr414: it jstu strictly hurts me mastr414: to allow any of that crap Tps7910: Well. Tps7910: What's there to lose? Tps7910: Only gain. Tps7910: Thats my type of risk. mastr414: what risk are you talkign about? Tps7910: There isn't one. Tps7910: I'm just saying. mastr414: wait for which action mastr414: the nonbolded vote? mastr414: that i like Tps7910: Nothing wrong can come out of the nonbolded Tps7910: right mastr414: oh yeah mastr414: your'e right mastr414: he's jtsu staring at the thread btw Tps7910: I know Tps7910: He's like Tps7910: bold it mastr414: ok so that didn't work mastr414: so you just have to make a decision mastr414: I hope you make the right one :-\ Tps7910: I dunno/ mastr414: i think i've given all i can Tps7910: It seems too perfect mastr414: what does Tps7910: All the evidence against kilga Tps7910: and the plusses of you Tps7910: too coincidental to be legit mastr414: ha mastr414: that may be the most ridiculosu thing ever Tps7910: It just seems so stacked. mastr414: i'm not trying to stack anything mastr414: i'm just saying exactly what i've seen mastr414: and feel mastr414: based on the game so far mastr414: im' not trying to spin it either mastr414: just saying my thgohthu process mastr414: and what's actually happened Tps7910: voted mastr414: umm mastr414: changed? Tps7910: I lose? mastr414: you changed vote mastr414: i'm confused Tps7910: it ended with insta Tps7910: of Kilga Tps7910: Did I lose? mastr414: i'm hoping we win... mastr414: unless you were the wolf? Tps7910: No. mastr414: phew mastr414: that's what i was most scared of mastr414: ok mastr414: we win Tps7910: You're not lying to me. Tps7910: It's impossible for me to be wolf. Tps7910: To fake all those conversations. mastr414: yeah Tps7910: and kill all those wolves mastr414: true mastr414: no its over, i win :-\ Tps7910: I know Tps7910: Tass told me. Tps7910: Afro cheated Tps7910: you loser. mastr414: no he didn't mastr414: i was on an anon SN Tps7910: he lied to all 3 mastr414: and acted all arrogant mastr414: and like an asshole mastr414: and jurs and afro said just tell us your'e tass we know you are mastr414: and i said shut up i ain't tellin you who i am mastr414: he hoenstly thoguht i was tass mastr414: and answered compeltely hoenstly mastr414: it would have passed a lie detector perfectly mastr414: he didn't lie mastr414: jurs thought i was tass mastr414: that's why she IMd him on his real sn accidentally mastr414: to say she was goign to kill hans Tps7910: You're an asshole by the way. mastr414: how so? Tps7910: mastr414: :-\ Tps7910: You made me lose. mastr414: playing to win mastr414: come on Tps7910: I know. mastr414: this was liek my best game ever Tps7910: Well I said it earlier mastr414: i really had no suspicion mastr414: from anyone mastr414: all game Tps7910: I'd rather lose to excellent play then a wrong decision Tps7910: Why the questions? Tps7910: Why kill afro? mastr414: he was going to die anyways mastr414: and i was hoping he'd finger tass That convinced me too much. TWC ruling on this game is? |
04-9-2006, 07:37 PM | #3 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
I'll wait for tass to get here... but there may be an issue with the question that got tass lynched.
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04-9-2006, 07:38 PM | #4 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
i made a name called hearandobeyme i acted like an ass tass and jurs assumed i was tass, i decided it would be a better advantage to not dissuade them of that instead of to tell them who they are.. jurs screwed up and not only told tps basically that she was a wolf but then IM'd tass assuming he was the master wolf
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04-9-2006, 07:40 PM | #5 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
yeah your plan almost backfired completely there. Got lucky tass wasn't around.
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04-9-2006, 07:43 PM | #6 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
maybe maybe not, i'm not sure what he would've been able to do anyways
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04-9-2006, 07:46 PM | #7 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
forward the convo to tps?
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04-9-2006, 07:48 PM | #8 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
It's a good bet this entire game will be stricken from the record, as well as several bans getting dished out. Nothing set in stone however.
At least this time the three-way dance talked it out. Now the humans just have to learn to make the right choice. Let me tell you, it doesn't feel that good to be the wrong lynch of a three-way twice in a row. ;/
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04-9-2006, 07:49 PM | #9 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
what convo? I don't have anything, because i used the SN on normal AIM so i coul dbe on this name also (I use gaim) so i don't have saved convos
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04-9-2006, 07:51 PM | #10 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
I asked mead in advance, I told guido, everyone approved of it at the time, and i told everyone that wasn't alive in the game about it. And I didn't make a fake SN or create a fake anything, i feel asking the host and asking dead twc members is all I can do. You guys know i am the most adamant against cheating of anyone, and I truly believe this was on the level.. Afro didn't lie, he woudl've passed a lie detector, to him, what he said was the truth... he juts didn't have all the correct information
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04-9-2006, 07:51 PM | #11 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
For reference, the question:
3. Have you met with another wolf? If so, reveal his/her identity, if not, say you haven't had any contact with any wolf. The problem: the question should have been more clear about whether it was "have you met a wolf" or "do you think you've met someone who is a wolf"... in other words mead probably should have forced tps to add a clause that stated with what degree of certainty (ie, had talked to them on real sn versus not) the person had about them being a wolf. As it stands, the question assumes 100% certainty... which means afro's response wasn't valid. |
04-9-2006, 07:52 PM | #12 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
Even though this ended with all the best outcomes for my side, I wouldn't be completely opposed to the game being thrown out.
Mead's hosting was terrible. I'll touch on a few subjects and I'm sure Tass will cover any that I miss. #1: allowing the line of questions- The first and second question were the same thing, really. I'd have never allowed that. He might as well have said "are you a wolf?" "are you sure?" In addition, the final question was more than a question. It was a question followed by a if/then command. #2: allowing eb to fill in for tasuke. I know for certain that I had told eb lots of things. Regardless of whether everyone in game already "knew" these things (he knew: I was a wolf and that jurs was a wolf, and I was pretty sure that I told him Tass was a wolf too, but w/e he says he didn't know anything else) is irrelevent, because noah actually knew for certain. Then again, so did everyone else, which brings me to point #3... #3: Allowing Tps to post a chat involving his blue powers, the host of the game, and a dead lynched player. Completely bogus. I know that everyone believed Tps 100%, but that just shouldn't have been done. I dunno... I think that's it. Tass probably has more. PS GG jurs for believing Tps. What were you thinking?
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04-9-2006, 07:53 PM | #13 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
(the convo between him and jurs, not you and someone... was talking about tass)
by the way, I don't think blah did anything wrong. I just think mead missed noticing a potentially confusing flaw in the question, and he should have had that point clarified. |
04-9-2006, 07:53 PM | #14 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
Also, nice attempt at an all caps topic title. >_>
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04-9-2006, 07:55 PM | #15 | |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
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You're absolutely correct about letting tps post the convos though. That was a huge mistake, as it guaranteed tps' role. |
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04-9-2006, 08:05 PM | #16 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
4-1 (I didn't ask blah, but I'm assuming...) TWC agree to scratch the game from the record.
bjstrattonim: What happened? TasselFoot: Afro was not MW. Blah was. Therefore, in Afro's interrogation, he lied to all 3 questions... which resulted in me being lynched. Had Mead NOT allowed it (like he shouldn't have), then I would have been a 100% confirmed human. bjstrattonim: o_O bjstrattonim: How the hell does he miss that? TasselFoot: and TPS and I would have had 2 full days to lynch blah. we may not have, but we had a much better shot at it, cause TPS would have trusted me.... and would have had a 2nd person with him. TasselFoot: Mead allowed it. He didn't miss it. TasselFoot: Afro thought I was the MW.... so Afro didn't realize he was lying. TasselFoot: but nowhere in the rules does it make any allowance for what the interrogatee thinks. Only that he answer 1 question truthfully. TasselFoot: and Afro lied to all 3. There is no debating that fact. bjstrattonim: Yeah. TasselFoot: so you agree the game should be null and voided? bjstrattonim: So yeah, stripping it from the record is fine by me. [20:48] TasselFoot: but, let me confirm... you agree that the game should be striken from the record because mead didn't stop afro from lying 3 times in his interrogation? [20:49] this is chardish: agreed [20:49] this is chardish: if i were mead I would have forced a repeat of the interrogation the Kilga convo is repeated in the middle here... non-Kilga convo is bolded. TasselFoot: i want confirmation of our earlier conversation, re:TWG... since blah won. TasselFoot: bjstrattonim: What happened? TasselFoot: Afro was not MW. Blah was. Therefore, in Afro's interrogation, he lied to all 3 questions... which resulted in me being lynched. Had Mead NOT allowed it (like he shouldn't have), then I would have been a 100% confirmed human. bjstrattonim: o_O bjstrattonim: How the hell does he miss that? TasselFoot: and TPS and I would have had 2 full days to lynch blah. we may not have, but we had a much better shot at it, cause TPS would have trusted me.... and would have had a 2nd person with him. TasselFoot: Mead allowed it. He didn't miss it. TasselFoot: Afro thought I was the MW.... so Afro didn't realize he was lying. TasselFoot: but nowhere in the rules does it make any allowance for what the interrogatee thinks. Only that he answer 1 question truthfully. TasselFoot: and Afro lied to all 3. There is no debating that fact. bjstrattonim: Yeah. TasselFoot: so you agree the game should be null and voided? bjstrattonim: So yeah, stripping it from the record is fine by me. amanda tripped: Okay. TasselFoot: you agree? amanda tripped: Yes. Also, I confirmed with Kilga, Guido, and Chardish the following bans: Mead - Permanent Hosting Ban Tasuke - Permanent TWG Ban due to inactivity Gamepro - Permanent TWG Ban due to inactivity Mini - 1 game TWG Ban due to inactivity Jurs - 2 game TWG Ban due to inactivity The 4 with bans can play/host in jTWG but playing/hosting TWG does not count towards their ban games (if not permanent). I also think this covers my post-game topics of conversation... as I got royally screwed in the butt by Blah's leading on Afro/Jurs (which was very clever), but moreso by Mead's not vetoing Afro from lying to the 3rd question after the fact.
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04-9-2006, 08:19 PM | #17 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
All of the above concerning me is true.
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04-9-2006, 08:28 PM | #18 | |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
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I owned Tps in his interrogation of me. The first question he asked me was "are you a wolf?" hahaha. I said yes. Then the next two questions were worthless to him because he didn't know if i was lying or not. It just confused him. Also I don't think I deserve a 2 game ban. I wasn't aware that I was going to be so busy the week after my play ended. That's bull****. I think I helped more than I hurt. Blah took almost all of my suggestions for kills and used them. Just because I didn't have time to post on the forums as much, I surely held aim conversations with people outside of the thread to make up for my "inactivity" (I also texted with Hans)
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04-9-2006, 08:28 PM | #19 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
Something I was thinking about, considering the game turned out to be a completely valid one...
Ooopsy, Tps. Right before the end of Day 2 we were talking about how voting Gamepro was pretty much uiseless, and was convincing me to lynch Blah. I was probably going to do it, but then I ran out of time. Would've made the rest of the game a lot different, especially since Afro and Jurs would've been known to each other. Also, heres a convo I had with Hans the [game] night after Mini's insta: NotSoFarOff: right now NotSoFarOff: I call that three wolves are still alive NotSoFarOff: 2/3 are tass/talis/blah, and of those two NotSoFarOff: and the third is afro NotSoFarOff: Just calling it now NotSoFarOff: for postgame matters NotSoFarOff: If I'm right, I get a BJ or something. Hans was two-thirds correct, so I think he's entitled to two-thirds of a BJ. Any takers? |
04-9-2006, 08:32 PM | #20 |
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Re: Twg Xxix Postgame Wolves Win
Wilkin... not really. he named 4 people out of like... 9 or 11 left, including himself. Nearly 40 or 50% of the people in the game he named. And he only had 2/3 right.
Not that impressive. LD a few games ago was MUCH more impressive... saying eb and I were the wolves from either day 1 or day 2. Then again, he pulled that off of random.org, then just found reasons to continue hyping it all game. But he was still right.
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