03-30-2014, 08:59 PM | #1 | |
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Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
So here's the thing. I've noticed difficulty threads for songs lower than like 66+ are for the most part largely ignored in here, and yet, as someone who only started playing this game after they switched the difficulties to a 1-99 scale, I've noticed tons of inconsistencies in difficulty levels that I'm not sure are genuine inaccuracies or just variations in how individuals perceive difficulties of ffr songs. However EzExZeRo7497 (I'm not typing that name out in full ever again ugh) stated here that songs lower down may be mis-rated since everyone in charge of quantifying these things is d7 level, so if we're going to seek out songs to change difficulties we should really be looking at this end of the scale, which is currently largely ignored. (Also I have no clue why that thread got locked despite a consensus that Survive could get bumped down, but anyway.)
I guess at this point, the burden is on me to convince any lonely soul who dares to venture into the unknown hideous depths of the ffr difficulty forum that changes in low-rated ffr songs are really worth bothering about. I'll stop rambling right now and cut right to the point. My point is that ffr difficulty rating mishaps are worth far more than they appear at face value. Take a look at these famous financial mistakes that have happened in the past. In each case, it is absolutely clear what caused the mistake, and it wasn't ffr songs being misrated. To sum up: Misrating ffr songs is destroying the world economy and needs to stop right now. Only you (the reader) can help by publishing further well-sourced posts to the ffr difficulty subforum. Ok, if you've read this far, you're going to be pretty convinced that this song is misrated. How to rate it correctly? Let's do some comparisons. Driveway [Heavy] is 213 bpm 8ths stream with a few jumps in it, no tempo changes or anything weird, maximum of 10 notes per second and consistently like 7, and it's rated a 38. The song I can find that most closely resembles it is Driveway [Standard] which is exactly the same song but with like 10% fewer notes. Still pretty much the same patterns, except the stream is a tiny bit less continuous, and not so many jumps. It's an 18. Why the huge discrepancy over just adding in a few notes here and there with keeping more-or-less the same patterns? Goodbye, My Love is a 21 with basically 8th stream at an even faster 220 bpm. It's less continuous (but more so than Driveway [Standard]) and doesn't have as many jumps but again has broadly the same patterns. On the harder side, Elements is a 25 with again the same sort of patterns at roughly the same speed (couldn't get the bpm here) but with a few more jumps in it raising the notes per second to a maximum of 11, though it's shorter. (Incidentally I think it's a little under-rated but maybe that's just my opinion after doing poorly on it in sax runner's rates tournament) Chase You Down is a 26, same song artist, long boring rock song, a little slower at 170 bpm (halved), more jumps and slightly harder patterns, so about the same difficulty. Solar Force is a 27 with much more jumps and harder patterns in it and is 150 to 185 bpm so I'm going to put this as a maximum difficulty bound. Finally, in EzExZeRo7497's (copy-pasted the name) Ask Me Anything thread: Quote:
I'm suggesting 24 or 25 and I also hate it when a forum post describing an FFR song difficulty change doesn't end the way I think it capybara.
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03-31-2014, 01:50 AM | #2 |
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
What a weird thread. Thread approved.
I'll give thoughts later. EDIT: Since you already gave comparisons to files, I'll just respond to them accordingly: Goodbye, My Love: More sparse streams compared to Driveway [Standard], slightly faster for sure, but it's probably overrated by around a point or so I feel. Regardless, it's definitely harder than Driveway [Standard] Elements: Slightly harder than Driveway [Heavy] as it has harder patterning and it feels ever so slightly faster, but I'm not sure. Might be underrated, however. 26 might be better. Chase You Down: Hardest part about this is the length, but the patterns are definitely harder than Driveway. Might be the same difficulty, but I think Driveway is easier by a point. Solar Force: Clearly harder than Driveway [Heavy]. I feel that this is underrated personally, would be better as a 29 or so. I think 25 is a better fit compared to 24, but I generally agree with the fact that it's definitely overrated. Regarding Survive, I thought it was already bumped down to around 54 but turns out it wasn't, my bad. Last edited by EzExZeRo7497; 03-31-2014 at 02:32 AM.. |
03-31-2014, 04:29 AM | #3 |
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
Great, you have to go and ruin one of my best scores by turning my first 8 AAA into a 7...
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03-31-2014, 07:28 PM | #4 |
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
While I do agree that 38 is a bit too high, doesn't the length of the song factor into the difficulty? Because that song is effin long, man. I'd almost say that it's because it's such a boring long song that it deserves that 38.
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04-3-2014, 11:06 AM | #6 | |
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
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almost every song in the rock genre between 15-30 is like this. long and boring with generally easy patterns. driveway [standard] is the same song with like 10% fewer notes in it and it's an 18. there's nothing about this song that justifies a 30+ rating. i secretly hope that the world economy goes into total irreversible meltdown and hyperinflation so that my decision to buy bitcoins would be vindicated
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04-3-2014, 11:40 AM | #7 |
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
I used to play this song all the time, its really not that difficult but definitely a step up from the last. Id say 38 is a bit too high but 24 is WAY too low. Maybe 30 or 29.
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04-3-2014, 11:42 AM | #8 |
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
siding with Zap/Eze on this one; definitely beyond overrated -- anywhere from 25-27 seems alright to me.
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04-3-2014, 11:45 AM | #9 |
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
WHoa you would say that, wouldn't you? You D6+ one-percenters are the reason why today's world is in this mess in the first place, yet here you are denying that there's a problem at all. It's good, hard-working, D2 folk like Zapmeister who end up losing their homes and going bankrupt while you line your pockets with overrated song difficulties.
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
lol well okay then
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Re: Driveway [Heavy] [38 or 24]
If I bump this down to 25, when can I expect my excellence award in global economic affairs?
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