why should we care about other people?

[stargroup100]

Originally Posted by -JiZ53-

Objectively beneficial by what metric?

Originally Posted by stargroup100

Take any economics 101 class and you'll understand this. If people specialized in particular jobs, they would collectively get more done. A basic math problem can demonstrate proof of concept on a micro-level. On a larger scale, it's much easier to observe through example: It's completely unfeasible and absurd to imagine that a single human being is capable of producing a modern computer from circuit components, let alone nature. Yet humanity as a whole has not only done that, but can also mass produce it on a level that makes it accessible for most any middle-class person.

Clearly you ignored this entire paragraph.

If you're going to nitpick "objectively beneficial" I'm pretty sure your words are far more questionable:

Originally Posted by -JiZ53-

love nourishes the soul, and a man without love is a man with a tormented soul. I am not speaking of physical love, but of love that comes from the soul.

Your pretense of love is fallacious. Nourishes by what metric? Saying that "love nourishes the soul" may sound nice to you, but your notion of "the soul" rests on faulty grounds. To say that your opinion of what is a soul is correct is arrogance. You need to elaborate on your notion of "love and soul". Simply saying that love nourishes the soul doesn't make it so.


This is why we think you're full of shit and do not belong here. You're using big fancy words, but you can't even form a basic argument with them. You completely ignore what anyone else says and just spew shitty fallacious arguments that in theory could apply to anything. You care more about how the words sound than their content.

[Deadlyx39]

[-JiZ53-]

Originally Posted by stargroup100

Clearly you ignored this entire paragraph.

If you're going to nitpick "objectively beneficial" I'm pretty sure your words are far more questionable:


Your pretense of love is fallacious. Nourishes by what metric? Saying that "love nourishes the soul" may sound nice to you, but your notion of "the soul" rests on faulty grounds. To say that your opinion of what is a soul is correct is arrogance. You need to elaborate on your notion of "love and soul". Simply saying that love nourishes the soul doesn't make it so.


This is why we think you're full of shit and do not belong here. You're using big fancy words, but you can't even form a basic argument with them. You completely ignore what anyone else says and just spew shitty fallacious arguments that in theory could apply to anything.

You completely avoided my question and point. The difference between what I said and what you said, is that I did not claim that my statement was objective. If you get something from my statement on love, cool. If you don't get anything from it, cool. The fact that man has created the computer is no proof of the objective benefit that you claim. Again, your notion of objectivity is fallacious. The entire crux of your arguement is fallacious. This is not about me, this is about you making a mockery of the word "objective". You think that throwing that word around gives your argument any authority?



also, when I say that love nourishes the soul, I am referring to a physical process that CAN be measured objectively. for being in love does cause changes in the brain/body(soul). these changes and their effects on an individuals perception/state of being are what I refer to when I speak of nourishment of the soul. I don't like to speak of such beautiful things using dry language though. you can describe a spring breeze as a 15mph gust from the sw, but feeling the breeze on your skin is another thing entirely.



and to elaborate on my concept of the soul(I don't care to debate this btw, I have thought about this for years and my ideas have only grown stronger. if you find my ideas disagreeable then good for you, you wont change what I know) I believe the soul is the energy that animates us. we are a medium through which the forces of life are expressed. these ancient energies that animate us have existed forever and will continue to exist after our bodies have lost their form. we are instruments and the soul is music. our forms will die and never will "we" play music again.... but that which played through us will continue into the abyss and will make sweet music forever more.

[stargroup100]

Originally Posted by -JiZ53-

You completely avoided my question and point. The difference between what I said and what you said, is that I did not claim that my statement was objective. If you get something from my statement on love, cool. If you don't get anything from it, cool. The fact that man has created the computer is no proof of the objective benefit that you claim. Again, your notion of objectivity is fallacious. The entire crux of your arguement is fallacious. This is not about me, this is about you making a mockery of the word "objective". You think that throwing that word around gives your argument any authority?

Yes let's have a rational debate and not be allowed to make objective claims. Because they are arrogant and fallacious. Good thinking, that makes sense.

Originally Posted by -JiZ53-

I don't like to speak of such beautiful things using dry language though.

The purpose here is to convince people with argument, not be the reincarnation of Shakespeare.

Originally Posted by stargroup100

You care more about how the words sound than their content.

Originally Posted by -JiZ53-

and to elaborate on my concept of the soul(I don't care to debate this btw, I have thought about this for years and my ideas have only grown stronger. if you find my ideas disagreeable then good for you, you wont change what I know) I believe the soul is the energy that animates us. we are a medium through which the forces of life are expressed. these ancient energies that animate us have existed forever and will continue to exist after our bodies have lost their form. we are instruments and the soul is music. our forms will die and never will "we" play music again.... but that which played through us will continue into the abyss and will make sweet music forever more.

If that isn't perfect prediction of someone's response then I don't know what is.

[stargroup100]

You seriously just made another account just to downvote my profile?



I've pointed out several times in this thread that you do shit like this and you continue to do exactly what I predict. Good job LMAO


edit: im fkin dying send help

[-JiZ53-]

You still have managed to avoid my point and have instead posted pictures of me withput my permission. You are not interested in debate. You are interested in pretense and lies. You have not been able to counter my posts regarding your concept of "objectiviy" and instead have tried to make this about me. You are not the genius you think you are. You are average at best. You use words like "objective", "word salad" and "semantics" incorrectly. You have a lot to learn, child.

[dashoe93]

Jiz, you literally went out of your way to insult me and stargroup because you were losing an argument.

From my tgb thread:

Originally Posted by -JiZ53-

Nobody cares. Go fuck yourself

Why are you still trying to debate anything when you even give evidence that you don't know what else to do but downvote profiles and throw out derogatory statements. You're more delusional than I am right now. Stop.

[-JiZ53-]

Originally Posted by dashoe93

Jiz, you literally went out of your way to insult me and stargroup because you were losing an argument.

From my tgb thread:


Why are you still trying to debate anything when you even give evidence that you don't know what else to do but downvote profiles and throw out derogatory statements. You're more delusional than I am right now. Stop.

If you have an issue with me, take it to tgb. There has been no evidence given. Again, simply saying that something is a certain way doesn't make it so. I guess this has become the antagonize jiz thread. If you don't have anything to contribute, don't post. If I got your panties in a bunch in tgb, sorry dude..I guess you'll just have to deal with ot

[stargroup100]

You still have managed to avoid my point and have instead tried to deflect the problem back at me. You are not interested in debate. You are interested in listening to yourself talk. You have not been able to counter my posts addressing everything wrong with your arguments and instead have tried to make this about me. You are not the genius you think you are. You are an idiot at best. You use words like "soul", "pretense" and "fallacious" incorrectly. You have a lot to learn, child.

[stargroup100]

[dashoe93]

Originally Posted by -JiZ53-

If you have an issue with me, take it to tgb. There has been no evidence given. Again, simply saying that something is a certain way doesn't make it so. I guess this has become the antagonize jiz thread. If you don't have anything to contribute, don't post. If I got your panties in a bunch in tgb, sorry dude..I guess you'll just have to deal with ot

I haven't contributed a damn thing, but it's still more than the garbage you spew out daily. I wonder if my post will suddenly make you hostile on my profile page where you think it means anything. It doesn't. Or perhaps create a "dahoe93" account to give yourself a giggle. If you are losing a debate, and literally everyone else in the thread sees it, give up. Accept it, and move on. If you're really getting all worked up over a thread, I'd hate to see you encounter actual real life problems.

And don't even tell me that your Jimmies aren't rustled, because there's so much evidence proving that they are.

Originally Posted by -JiZ53-

That's ok because nobody really cares about your posts anyway shoe boy

And you keep adding to it. It's hilarious. I don't even have to do anything to prove this.

[MinaciousGrace]

Originally Posted by Deadlyx39

dude sorry to break it to you but this is how everyone sees your posts too

go blame it on the wrath of god or some other similarly retarded copout

or maybe you can take some time out of your insanely productive life to realize you're a shit poster who has never contributed positively to any discussion ever and either stop posting or figure out how to not make comments so inane that despite the wealth of other retards on these forums i have been driven to single you out as the most fucking worthless of them all

in fact if we assigned point value the to functional meaning/worth of statements your entire posting history would sum to 0

in conclusion: fuck you

[Spenner]

Holy shit this thread is evolving into the a perfect epitome of the theme of the title. We're all turning on one another.

For my contribution, I think you should evaluate people on an individual basis, and see if there is a mutual acceptance of one another, comparative empathy, and then decide if you want to make sacrifices of any sort, or start on any tit-for-tat kind of interaction. By default, have a bit of vigilance but always understand the underlying potential for people to be part of reciprocal altruism, or straight up feeling good about being around other people who have the common grounds of being human, and living a confusing but interesting life.

[TheSaxRunner05]

-JiZ53- went to the "Donald Trump School" of "How to form an argument"

[-JiZ53-]

If you are impressed by stargroup's constant red herrings and ad hominem then I think you might have gone to the terry schaivo school of critical thinking

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by -JiZ53-

If you are impressed by stargroup's constant red herrings and ad hominem then I think you might have gone to the terry schaivo school of critical thinking

Still awaiting that lock.

[stargroup100]

Originally Posted by Spenner

Holy shit this thread is evolving into the a perfect epitome of the theme of the title. We're all turning on one another.

no its only jiz

[Spenner]

He's kind of a central image of the thread and is in a sense orchestrating the chaos, of which we are all instruments playing in tune. So perhaps it's just a ripple effect, Jiz is like a pebble dropping into the FFR pond. However I don't think he's purely instigating, he's just a unique character with a bit of sociopathy.

Metaphors.

For the record, I care about people for many reasons :o) even Jiz. Do I have too much empathy? Yes. But I wouldn't trade it for hatred.

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by Spenner

However I don't think he's purely instigating, he's just a unique character with a bit of sociopathy.

No, he's clearly trolling. He did this before, and he trolls/instigates on this website all the time.

Stargroup already knows that and even pointed it out in his first reply, so why this thread managed to generate all this discussion is beyond me.

Originally Posted by stargroup100

Unfortunately though, similar to the other thread, I don't think the author of the opening post actually cares enough about discussion, and really just wants to post vapid pseudo-philosophical cliches for attention.

[Frank Munoz]

FFR"Mania"