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Old 05-24-2018, 11:51 AM   #21
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@star, talking about finding serial killers specifically, and I'm sure you know most of this already because its probably been said a lot on ToS (I remember some other people complaining about Serial Killers when I was playing there briefly), but Serial Killers kind of have an odd position in most TWG games, especially smaller ones (below 25 players).

Because in just about every game, they start looking for wolves, and don't really stop until they are done killing all the wolves (again, this is the usual, not the guarantee), which gives them the added benefit of looking like a townsperson. Now since there wasn't much of an opportunity to do much after Curry was lynched, it should've been quite hard to find Olimar for the right reasons because you have to look outside of his reads/pushes and more at his behavior, which is always hit and miss but I think you did some good stuff there right at the end (in a similar vein to what Cel did).

Most of this just lies with what Serial Killers, and third party roles in general, are. They don't really belong in games other than to add a mystery element that, in the case of serial killers and arsonists, is more meant to speed up a game rather than help balance it.

What I mean to say is finding Serial Killers is hard. Before the SK is finished looking for wolves, finding one should be more or less luck based without some really on-point behavior or meta reads.

I think you were probably looking for the right things, its just really, really hard to the point where a lot of people just don't even bother with looking for Serial Killers unless they absolutely have to in the late game (me).
Thank you for this.

On ToS in general I do not think it is anywhere near as hard to find an SK as it was in this game. (I would rather play as or against an SK than most of the other neutrals that they have.) There are more investigators that can find them, and in the more complicated setups even mafia can have investigators. Escorts and jailors that visit them also get stabbed automatically (so if those roles leave a will then that can help). Plus through the death notes, if the mafia hit somebody with kill immunity, the mafia can anonymously inform everyone of this. And a lot of them make themselves obvious by claiming to be the doctor.

I do not even know whether olimar picked to have the kill immunity or to look like a town to the cop, but I kind of lost my hope for finding the SK through not luck when Funnygirl died...which ironically made it harder to notice, what was very obvious to the dead chat in olimar's behavior. There of course should be some differences in how people act as an sk versus a town, but just being by yourself from the beginning seems like it is harder to pick up on those differences, as you are saying.

I cannot really blame olimar for being harsh, because it was the most convincing thing (to me at least) that he had said the entire day, even though it is not something I personally enjoy being part of the game.
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Old 05-24-2018, 11:53 AM   #22
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By the way, I would say the MVP should probably be inD because he killed the last two mafia all by himself.
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Old 05-24-2018, 12:33 PM   #23
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It was either Zoshi, ffa or both that said that a lot of Olimar's posts focused on the serial killer, and I think that was the main thing to look for (and I know Cel said this during the last phase as part of his larger post). Focusing your gameplay more than usual on what your role is is a little bit of a noob tell (sry Olimar) that has to be unlearned.

I hope Olimar was not as mad as he seemed. A large part of the reason why he lost was because he had at least 2 nights where he didn't send in a kill, and if he had sent both of those in and the game plays out relatively the same (it probably wouldn't but I'll explain in a sec) then he would've won.

Yes, the game probably would've played out differently, but denying town the information of a nightkill in the early game is never, ever worth as a serial killer. In fact, it was a key piece of why town turned around in f4 and lynched Olimar.

The post is mainly directed towards the small minority on FFR here that believe no-killing as the SK can be a viable strat (though I understand its mainly talked about in games of c9++ where there might be no serial killer). This game is a prime example of why no-killing is -EV as the serial killer in the early game.
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If olimar had killed I think wolves had a better chance of winning, but there's no way to say for sure

I think no kill was not a conscious choice on olimars part, and I don't think he was really that angry during the game. I can't say for sure lol but ye
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I think no kill was not a conscious choice on olimars part
ye but it had the same effect
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in that f4 i think i kill...cel? just to make it super weird because you deny cel's tinfoil on star and roundbox's confidence on cel

other option is just kill star and try to post well enough to let the other two tunnel each other

i think there's depth to the choices there rather than no-killing, depends how you want the game to go the next day
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Olimar also realized that final 4 made a single vote not end the game. With star having to drop a vote early that was a chance to win by shooting cel in the night
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Olimar also realized that final 4 made a single vote not end the game. With star having to drop a vote early that was a chance to win by shooting cel in the night
preeeeeeety sure she doesn't vote like that there if its a f3
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I'd sum up my game but I already did before making the last vote

Not my best performance but I at least called out celery being blocked!!
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preeeeeeety sure she doesn't vote like that there if its a f3
More generally speaking though, the fact that round and I were almost never online at the same time, could have been detrimental to us working together. We were basically pen pals.
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we are like pen pals since we see each other so infrequently *cries self to sleep*
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Not my best performance but I at least called out celery being blocked!!
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Forgot to mention that I'm actually really sorry about my presense this game being worse than a random npc in a mmorpg. Also blind i know you wanted a stronger game and i kinda hurt that. Sorry man.

I moved house, changed jobs, had to deal with my brother's wedding, and got a kitten in the span of the first leg of the game.

Worked 9 days straight, so I burnt myself out really bad.

I do think i deserve a punishment though. Even if small.
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forgot it was AN, might take the time to rework my game anyway especially if i'm going up against !!!xiz!!!

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Forgot to mention that I'm actually really sorry about my presense this game being worse than a random npc in a mmorpg. Also blind i know you wanted a stronger game and i kinda hurt that. Sorry man.

I moved house, changed jobs, had to deal with my brother's wedding, and got a kitten in the span of the first leg of the game.

Worked 9 days straight, so I burnt myself out really bad.

I do think i deserve a punishment though. Even if small.
think that would have to coincide with a revival of the penalty thread or something, since game bans for single instances of inactivity aren't a thing right now
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