THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH - Page 6

DourGent · 03-22-2017, 12:18 PM

I am actually really tempted to try step some kidz bop now, though it likley won't be for this pack.

gdi guys

**Fantasticone** · 03-22-2017, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace

153s- right hand 34 gallop that leads into a [34] jumpjack that immediately leads into a 2134 48th roll is an ungodly rush trap.
163s- the left hand chain pattern here is almost the hardest thing in the entire file and it goes to a sound that I can barely hear. Also the sound repeats like 6 times and the only other time you have a chain pattern to it is...
170s- the left hand chain pattern here is the hardest thing in the entire file and we're still in the buildup to the climax. Pattern the chains like the rest of the 32nds, or come up with a consistent way to place jacks to the sound that doesn't involve multicb difficulty spikes even if you can fc the rest of the file.

those are the only major offenders but they're bad enough that they have to be fixed

I can nitpick over any other patterns at a later time

Tried some changes, sending.

MinaciousGrace · 03-22-2017, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasticone

Tried some changes, sending.

the section at 153 doesnt look much better tbh but I'll have to play test it to see how those changes/the others play out

contrapatior · 03-22-2017, 01:54 PM

did someone say "the others"

MinaciousGrace · 03-22-2017, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by contrapatior

did someone say "the others"

i once also said "intergalactic turkey"

updats on stuff:

shape of my heart and something about chain bike gang riot with bald sex friends are now

choof · 03-22-2017, 05:11 PM

how'd you like the atomhead meme

I'm sending some drake this evening

MinaciousGrace · 03-22-2017, 05:51 PM

it's pretty stepmanias musics and both lofty and i are pretty :ehhhhhhh: on it after reviewing in editor

a final decision is pending playtest

choof · 03-22-2017, 06:54 PM

I could make a less dumpy version but the version I sent was ExPrEsSiVeMaNiAs so just lemme know

MinaciousGrace · 03-22-2017, 07:15 PM

its not really the file that's the major reservation mostly the ~stepmaniasmusics~

**lofty rhino** · 03-22-2017, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choof

I'm sending some drake this evening

Make sure its not child's play cause it will get denied.

**SKG_Scintill** · 03-22-2017, 10:22 PM

lmao

that took 6 hours, now to step

MinaciousGrace · 03-23-2017, 09:39 AM

Blow Me (One Last Kiss) (Alloyus) -
'its like he went into stepmania's wine cellar
took out a really old year
popped the shit off and it smelled "aight"'

This file is very reminiscent of the 2008-2010 style and I think the most interesting thing about this submission is how much it highlights the difference in general dump charting styles between then and now (if only in my own approach).

Otherwise both the song and chart are mostly "meh". I don't think there's enough variation either within the song or chart to really justify a full step. I would cut it after the 2nd verse @148s. Slam a freeze on the right arrow and you have a perfect fade out to the slow "da da dada da".

There's some degree of difficulty inconsistency with the way you pattern the end of 32nd js patterns where you have 16ths jump frequency but leave out the jump on the 4th. I think the general approach is fitting but sometimes you have 3 note anchors and a chain and other times you have 2 16th minijacks on opposite hands, and a bunch of other variations that lie somewhere between the two extremes.

I'm unconvinced with the use of both 24th and 32nd long trills (both as in both together, not one and the other, I think the 24ths alone are fine), particularly towards the end. There's a reason I began to move away from them in my own charting and it's less the result of a gradual drift of style and more the result of playing my files and being like "ok these trills really don't add anything".

However it's not all bad, the 48ths sans 16ths are a charming throwback to another era. The short 48th split rolls are spicy but not too hot.

Neither of us think the negatives (or, "mehgatives") detract enough from the file as-is to flat out reject it and ask for a re-submission, however we both think this sets the bottom-of-the-barrel standard (mind you we are also both biased pretty heavily against the song if you can find the song with a french translation or soeem shit send that up). You can still chisel out a solid chart from what you already have with a cut and some extra detail passes. How far you want to take that, if anywhere at all, is up to you.

edit: ok after playing this a few times at a couple different rates I have more to say. First this is actually surprisingly fun. That fact doesn't really change my mind about most of the comments however point 2 about 32nd js patterning inconsistency is sort of moot. The 32nd js doesn't really function as the meat of the file in terms of difficulty so the inconsistency is not so noticeable. I would still do an edit pass and break up the more offensive hidden chains.

The slow 24ths with mines that go to the "shit" sections are unairquote("shit"). As in they're shit. They aren't super shit they're just generic and there's a lot of interesting stuff going on with the vocals here. Think about adding some short 48th bursts to the held end of "day" that transition into smooth 32nds that go to the unintelligible shouting? 32nd minitrills would also work. There's a lot of cool stuff you could do here, get a little creative.

I'm also walking back a little on my condemnation of all the 32nd trills. Some of them are ok, mostly the ones near no major 32nd sections, such as at 100s. I still think something else could supplant them, but it's no big deal, they play fine. However, the ones within the chorus that go to "full of shit" need to go, full stop.

4.5s - I would make this 16th a single not and not a jump, you want to accentuate the galloping nature of the synth in this section rather than dilute it by layering drum hits. Same goes for any other time this happens in the intro.
17s - You have this awkward non-static 4343 pattern on the right hand that straddles two halves of a vocal transition. It doesn't really work. There should be a prominent turn in the patterns that matches the down->up in pitch of the vocals here. Try something like

30s - the lack of notes during "tears" felt awkward during each playthrough. The same pattern/empty space at 34s is fine because "you" is sung much more quickly, but you need to fill this out a little.
69s - example of awful hidden chain in the 32nd js (also if you are repatterning these I would play around with making each ending 8th a hand to give a little more kick to the finality of the pattern)

I've probably spent more time reviewing this file than any other so far despite both lofty and I seeing it as a relatively weak submission. I now think with a little polish this can make a strong entry and I'd like to see you put in the work to that end.

Chill Bill (lofty) - I don't know how you can take a shitty rap over the kill bill whistling song and make an engaging and expressive chart that makes me want to play more of the song. I love the juxtaposition of the sweeping/trilly whistle patterns in the intro with the minijacks that kick in with the rapper at 35s, and the continuing push and pull between the foreground rap and background whistling. This is an expose on how to do a lot with very little and sits near the top of the pool for me.

edit: ok you fixed up the couple nitpicky things good work. :OK_Mine:

Method of Deconstruction (choof) - Going to have to pass on this. The file is dumpy yes and there are some pretty fun/interesting patterns, however it isn't enough to overcome the fact that the song choice is basically antithetical to the desired music for the pack. I would not resubmit, and if you intend to submit/release the file elsewhere I would seriously consider toning down the jacky 32nds near the very end.

additional comments on already pooled files:

Migrant at Daybreak (swiftwinter) - The quick swap from left hand to right hand trill here is kind of awkward and doesn't really flow to the music. 84.370-end you have jumps on the prominent sounds and it feels a little lackluster. I'd like to see the more prominent sounds represented more intensely (triplets were suggested by lofty) or some of the unstepped background sounds to be brought forward. Currently the ending feels less like an ending/outro and more like an afterthought.

Ignite (fanta) - You need to do something about the section at 153 that is beyond simple repatterning. Ditch the 48ths and replace them with 32nds, or space out the last 48th from the jumpjack a little more. Or just ditch the 48ths entirely and recycle what you had for this earlier in the song. It just doesn't work right now. The long left arrow freeze with sparse minijacks on other columns that immediately follows this section feels less "lenient" than "empty". I think you can represent each sound rather than every other without it being too difficult, if it is, then find another way to do this.

Changes to the hidden chains are A+ at first glance. They're still a noticeable spike in difficulty but not outside of reason and spaced well enough to allow recovery.

187s - I was going to request that you don't feed the 48th jt roll into an 8th hand to form the somewhat awkward 12th jack, but after looking at it and realizing that the hand on the 8th goes to nothing that's been promoted from a prospective request to an imperative. Get rid of it. You might also consider ending the 48th roll on the preceding 4th since that's when the vocals end, but again, don't do it in a way that produces a 12th jack. There's not enough "snap" between the roll sound and the synth in the background to justify one. If there were a loud cymbal crash on the 4th I'd let it slide, but there isn't.

175s - I'm not a huge fan of this, on the other hand, this is probably the most distinctively "fanta" pattern in the file. I make it a point to try not to impose my own style on the charts of others when reviewing and I think asking you to remove this would rob the chart of something that gives it a distinctly "fantaesque" feel, however it doesn't appropriately represent the feel of the section (I would abandon the freeze to the whooshing sound and focus on the back/forth tension of the strings with lightly anchored js, or even do that and keep the whoosh freeze?). If you're going to use a signature fanta pattern, use it in signature fanta style. Going back to my previous comment about the jt 48th roll at 187 (and the reason why this comment is out of order timestamp wise) - I think it makes the most sense to replace the 48th roll with this pattern here and then fill the remaining void with something a little more mundane. That way you solve two problems at once without sacrificing any character of the chart. Also it will make me happy which should ultimately be everyone's goal in life.

**lofty rhino** · 03-23-2017, 12:28 PM

*clears throat*

Telephone (Minaciousgrace)- "i like the decision to repattern the rolly 32nds in the chorus to match the thematic patterning of the rest of the file
the dialtone polys are less tedious and transition better into and out of the ringing polys
the full cut adds more meat to the file so it doesn't feel like 60% intro"

Lit with the greens bro im feelin the swelter

**Fantasticone** · 03-23-2017, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace

Ignite (fanta) - You need to do something about the section at 153 that is beyond simple repatterning. Ditch the 48ths and replace them with 32nds, or space out the last 48th from the jumpjack a little more. Or just ditch the 48ths entirely and recycle what you had for this earlier in the song. It just doesn't work right now. The long left arrow freeze with sparse minijacks on other columns that immediately follows this section feels less "lenient" than "empty". I think you can represent each sound rather than every other without it being too difficult, if it is, then find another way to do this.

Changes to the hidden chains are A+ at first glance. They're still a noticeable spike in difficulty but not outside of reason and spaced well enough to allow recovery.

187s - I was going to request that you don't feed the 48th jt roll into an 8th hand to form the somewhat awkward 12th jack, but after looking at it and realizing that the hand on the 8th goes to nothing that's been promoted from a prospective request to an imperative. Get rid of it. You might also consider ending the 48th roll on the preceding 4th since that's when the vocals end, but again, don't do it in a way that produces a 12th jack. There's not enough "snap" between the roll sound and the synth in the background to justify one. If there were a loud cymbal crash on the 4th I'd let it slide, but there isn't.

175s - I'm not a huge fan of this, on the other hand, this is probably the most distinctively "fanta" pattern in the file. I make it a point to try not to impose my own style on the charts of others when reviewing and I think asking you to remove this would rob the chart of something that gives it a distinctly "fantaesque" feel, however it doesn't appropriately represent the feel of the section (I would abandon the freeze to the whooshing sound and focus on the back/forth tension of the strings with lightly anchored js, or even do that and keep the whoosh freeze?). If you're going to use a signature fanta pattern, use it in signature fanta style. Going back to my previous comment about the jt 48th roll at 187 (and the reason why this comment is out of order timestamp wise) - I think it makes the most sense to replace the 48th roll with this pattern here and then fill the remaining void with something a little more mundane. That way you solve two problems at once without sacrificing any character of the chart. Also it will make me happy which should ultimately be everyone's goal in life.

*Have one more thing to try for 153, it that fails I'll just copy paste.

*Not understanding the problem your addressing with the minijack part.

*I may make the chains simpler to hit in the future once I think it.

*I removed the freeze and probably did stuff that made it worse but we shall see.

Sending changes

MinaciousGrace · 03-23-2017, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasticone

*Have one more thing to try for 153, it that fails I'll just copy paste.

*Not understanding the problem your addressing with the minijack part.

*I may make the chains simpler to hit in the future once I think it.

*I removed the freeze and probably did stuff that made it worse but we shall see.

Sending changes

-the change at 153 looks ok

-basically there should be a minijack on the 4ths too

also I don't really think the first set needs to be 4 notes long but its fine

-any chains left in the file are fine the thing last thing that I take issue with is the 12th jack formed by the hand after the 48th roll

it's not even like particularly unplayable or super awkward or anything it just doesn't make sense because there's nothing on the 8th and no reason for there to be a hand

contrapatior · 03-23-2017, 01:29 PM

defeated by stepmania

swiftwinter · 03-23-2017, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace

Migrant at Daybreak (swiftwinter) - The quick swap from left hand to right hand trill here is kind of awkward and doesn't really flow to the music.

did you mean to mention a specific instance for this?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace

84.370-end you have jumps on the prominent sounds and it feels a little lackluster. I'd like to see the more prominent sounds represented more intensely (triplets were suggested by lofty) or some of the unstepped background sounds to be brought forward. Currently the ending feels less like an ending/outro and more like an afterthought.

I agree I didn't really know what I wanted to do with the ending and I didn't want to cut it because it sounds cool so I will attempt to make it more unique following this advice. i'll send a fix in a day or two.

MinaciousGrace · 03-23-2017, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by swiftwinter

did you mean to mention a specific instance for this?

uhh yeah my bad i must have gotten distracted when writing that out
62.4s

MinaciousGrace · 03-23-2017, 10:33 PM

Sexy Chick (Alloyus) - This suffers from a lot of the same issues as your other submission just to a greater extent. Focus on blow me one last kiss, when that's nice and polished you can revisit this and apply the same process. Then resubmit.

Kalre · 03-24-2017, 12:13 PM

Sorry, wasnt around when the first one released, what are the musical standars and or what do you want to take files into consideration ?

03-22-2017, 12:18 PM	#101
DourGent FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 294	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH I am actually really tempted to try step some kidz bop now, though it likley won't be for this pack. gdi guys __________________

03-22-2017, 01:54 PM	#104
contrapatior Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 191	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH did someone say "the others"

03-22-2017, 05:11 PM	#106
choof Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8,563	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH how'd you like the atomhead meme I'm sending some drake this evening

03-22-2017, 05:51 PM	#107
MinaciousGrace FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: nima Posts: 4,278	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH it's pretty stepmanias musics and both lofty and i are pretty :ehhhhhhh: on it after reviewing in editor a final decision is pending playtest

03-22-2017, 06:54 PM	#108
choof Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8,563	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH I could make a less dumpy version but the version I sent was ExPrEsSiVeMaNiAs so just lemme know

03-22-2017, 07:15 PM	#109
MinaciousGrace FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: nima Posts: 4,278	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH its not really the file that's the major reservation mostly the ~stepmaniasmusics~

03-23-2017, 09:39 AM	#112
MinaciousGrace FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: nima Posts: 4,278	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH Blow Me (One Last Kiss) (Alloyus) - 'its like he went into stepmania's wine cellar took out a really old year popped the shit off and it smelled "aight"' This file is very reminiscent of the 2008-2010 style and I think the most interesting thing about this submission is how much it highlights the difference in general dump charting styles between then and now (if only in my own approach). Otherwise both the song and chart are mostly "meh". I don't think there's enough variation either within the song or chart to really justify a full step. I would cut it after the 2nd verse @148s. Slam a freeze on the right arrow and you have a perfect fade out to the slow "da da dada da". There's some degree of difficulty inconsistency with the way you pattern the end of 32nd js patterns where you have 16ths jump frequency but leave out the jump on the 4th. I think the general approach is fitting but sometimes you have 3 note anchors and a chain and other times you have 2 16th minijacks on opposite hands, and a bunch of other variations that lie somewhere between the two extremes. I'm unconvinced with the use of both 24th and 32nd long trills (both as in both together, not one and the other, I think the 24ths alone are fine), particularly towards the end. There's a reason I began to move away from them in my own charting and it's less the result of a gradual drift of style and more the result of playing my files and being like "ok these trills really don't add anything". However it's not all bad, the 48ths sans 16ths are a charming throwback to another era. The short 48th split rolls are spicy but not too hot. Neither of us think the negatives (or, "mehgatives") detract enough from the file as-is to flat out reject it and ask for a re-submission, however we both think this sets the bottom-of-the-barrel standard (mind you we are also both biased pretty heavily against the song if you can find the song with a french translation or soeem shit send that up). You can still chisel out a solid chart from what you already have with a cut and some extra detail passes. How far you want to take that, if anywhere at all, is up to you. edit: ok after playing this a few times at a couple different rates I have more to say. First this is actually surprisingly fun. That fact doesn't really change my mind about most of the comments however point 2 about 32nd js patterning inconsistency is sort of moot. The 32nd js doesn't really function as the meat of the file in terms of difficulty so the inconsistency is not so noticeable. I would still do an edit pass and break up the more offensive hidden chains. The slow 24ths with mines that go to the "shit" sections are unairquote("shit"). As in they're shit. They aren't super shit they're just generic and there's a lot of interesting stuff going on with the vocals here. Think about adding some short 48th bursts to the held end of "day" that transition into smooth 32nds that go to the unintelligible shouting? 32nd minitrills would also work. There's a lot of cool stuff you could do here, get a little creative. I'm also walking back a little on my condemnation of all the 32nd trills. Some of them are ok, mostly the ones near no major 32nd sections, such as at 100s. I still think something else could supplant them, but it's no big deal, they play fine. However, the ones within the chorus that go to "full of shit" need to go, full stop. 4.5s - I would make this 16th a single not and not a jump, you want to accentuate the galloping nature of the synth in this section rather than dilute it by layering drum hits. Same goes for any other time this happens in the intro. 17s - You have this awkward non-static 4343 pattern on the right hand that straddles two halves of a vocal transition. It doesn't really work. There should be a prominent turn in the patterns that matches the down->up in pitch of the vocals here. Try something like 30s - the lack of notes during "tears" felt awkward during each playthrough. The same pattern/empty space at 34s is fine because "you" is sung much more quickly, but you need to fill this out a little. 69s - example of awful hidden chain in the 32nd js (also if you are repatterning these I would play around with making each ending 8th a hand to give a little more kick to the finality of the pattern) I've probably spent more time reviewing this file than any other so far despite both lofty and I seeing it as a relatively weak submission. I now think with a little polish this can make a strong entry and I'd like to see you put in the work to that end. Chill Bill (lofty) - I don't know how you can take a shitty rap over the kill bill whistling song and make an engaging and expressive chart that makes me want to play more of the song. I love the juxtaposition of the sweeping/trilly whistle patterns in the intro with the minijacks that kick in with the rapper at 35s, and the continuing push and pull between the foreground rap and background whistling. This is an expose on how to do a lot with very little and sits near the top of the pool for me. edit: ok you fixed up the couple nitpicky things good work. :OK_Mine: Method of Deconstruction (choof) - Going to have to pass on this. The file is dumpy yes and there are some pretty fun/interesting patterns, however it isn't enough to overcome the fact that the song choice is basically antithetical to the desired music for the pack. I would not resubmit, and if you intend to submit/release the file elsewhere I would seriously consider toning down the jacky 32nds near the very end. additional comments on already pooled files: Migrant at Daybreak (swiftwinter) - The quick swap from left hand to right hand trill here is kind of awkward and doesn't really flow to the music. 84.370-end you have jumps on the prominent sounds and it feels a little lackluster. I'd like to see the more prominent sounds represented more intensely (triplets were suggested by lofty) or some of the unstepped background sounds to be brought forward. Currently the ending feels less like an ending/outro and more like an afterthought. Ignite (fanta) - You need to do something about the section at 153 that is beyond simple repatterning. Ditch the 48ths and replace them with 32nds, or space out the last 48th from the jumpjack a little more. Or just ditch the 48ths entirely and recycle what you had for this earlier in the song. It just doesn't work right now. The long left arrow freeze with sparse minijacks on other columns that immediately follows this section feels less "lenient" than "empty". I think you can represent each sound rather than every other without it being too difficult, if it is, then find another way to do this. Changes to the hidden chains are A+ at first glance. They're still a noticeable spike in difficulty but not outside of reason and spaced well enough to allow recovery. 187s - I was going to request that you don't feed the 48th jt roll into an 8th hand to form the somewhat awkward 12th jack, but after looking at it and realizing that the hand on the 8th goes to nothing that's been promoted from a prospective request to an imperative. Get rid of it. You might also consider ending the 48th roll on the preceding 4th since that's when the vocals end, but again, don't do it in a way that produces a 12th jack. There's not enough "snap" between the roll sound and the synth in the background to justify one. If there were a loud cymbal crash on the 4th I'd let it slide, but there isn't. 175s - I'm not a huge fan of this, on the other hand, this is probably the most distinctively "fanta" pattern in the file. I make it a point to try not to impose my own style on the charts of others when reviewing and I think asking you to remove this would rob the chart of something that gives it a distinctly "fantaesque" feel, however it doesn't appropriately represent the feel of the section (I would abandon the freeze to the whooshing sound and focus on the back/forth tension of the strings with lightly anchored js, or even do that and keep the whoosh freeze?). If you're going to use a signature fanta pattern, use it in signature fanta style. Going back to my previous comment about the jt 48th roll at 187 (and the reason why this comment is out of order timestamp wise) - I think it makes the most sense to replace the 48th roll with this pattern here and then fill the remaining void with something a little more mundane. That way you solve two problems at once without sacrificing any character of the chart. Also it will make me happy which should ultimately be everyone's goal in life. Last edited by MinaciousGrace; 03-23-2017 at 01:18 PM..

03-23-2017, 12:28 PM	#113
lofty rhino D7 Elite Keymasher Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Србија Age: 30 Posts: 705	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH clears throat Telephone (Minaciousgrace)- "i like the decision to repattern the rolly 32nds in the chorus to match the thematic patterning of the rest of the file the dialtone polys are less tedious and transition better into and out of the ringing polys the full cut adds more meat to the file so it doesn't feel like 60% intro" Lit with the greens bro im feelin the swelter Last edited by lofty rhino; 03-23-2017 at 12:28 PM..

03-23-2017, 01:29 PM	#116
contrapatior Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 191	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH defeated by stepmania

03-23-2017, 10:33 PM	#119
MinaciousGrace FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: nima Posts: 4,278	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH Sexy Chick (Alloyus) - This suffers from a lot of the same issues as your other submission just to a greater extent. Focus on blow me one last kiss, when that's nice and polished you can revisit this and apply the same process. Then resubmit. Last edited by MinaciousGrace; 03-23-2017 at 10:33 PM..

03-24-2017, 12:13 PM	#120
Kalre FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2016 Age: 34 Posts: 178	Re: THREAD MOTHAFUCKAS MINTY 2 BITCHES NEW PACK YEAH Sorry, wasnt around when the first one released, what are the musical standars and or what do you want to take files into consideration ? __________________ I think Japanese should be taught because if animes have taught me anything it is that Japanese is superior. strokes neckbeard and contemplates next cheeto

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