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I don't see why people have such a hard time not at least considering that maybe evolution is just God's vessel for intelligent design. Hell, there is no scientific anything explaining why anything exists, so it's not like they're trying to disprove God. Science and faith don't have to be mutually exclusive. =\
I'd say a huge problem is that most religious people completely shut down in biology class when they're taught about evolution. The majority of Christian people I've talked to don't seem to understand at all the basic concepts of evolution that they should've learned early in high school. I heard a senior in high school say "well if evolution is real, then you'd see apes giving birth to human babies!!" I was shocked that anybody could know so little about what evolution is. =\
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O come on... I mean, maybe I just went to an awesome public school, but I thought it was pretty easy to listen in biology and learn what they had to say, even if I don't go for macroevolution.
Combining God and evolution would mean that the six days represented a really long amount of time. Except, it says on the seventh day, God rested. It indicates that Creation was finished. Yet, evolution is on an ongoing thing, so...
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02-5-2007, 05:55 PM | #27 |
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I swear I said this before.
Intelligent Design and Natural Selection are in the same category: explanations of HOW evolution took place. EVOLUTION IS A FACT. CREATIONISTS AND SCIENTISTS ALIKE AGREE ON THIS. THE MEANS BY WHICH IT OCCURRED IS WHAT IS UNDER DEBATE. Also, why are you trying to disprove it? What is there to study with Intelligent Design? Seriously, what? Wanna find out who the creator was? Too bad since they all exist outside of our concept of existance. Intelligent Design just means "ok we give up lets just assume it was divine intervention" Pursuing something else (science) means "ok maybe it was divine intervention and maybe it wasn't. let's look into this and see what we can find out" |
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Alright, I don't have time to formulate a full response, but I guess I have to make a few things clear.
1. I know that there wasn't really an in-between creature with legs, no arms, and gills. I was kidding, because I was getting to the end of a tiring response and wanted a mental image to make me smile [just the thought of that thing running around, trying to scream with no mouth makes me laugh.] 2. I know the basis of evolution isn't "fish evolving into humans", I was just generalizing and apparently shouldn't have. My point in that respect was that I can't see how single-celled organisms with minimal life processes could gain information to become complicated organisms. 3. Squeek: Evolution is a fact, but we're talking macroevolution here, which is a theory and not proven [just as Tist said.] |
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Is creationism science? Or put it more precisely, is creationism a genuinely scientific theory? It might depend on how you define creationism. Some forms of creationism make no reference to deities or the supernatural. Why think those versions are not genuinely scientific theories? The best reason to reject is that creationist theory fits the category of being “scientific” but the evidence does not support it as well as orthodox evolution.
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Well If you think about it this random mutation generator is not a good representation of evolution observe:
If you change 1 gene then a sentence Evolution is not a myth turns into Evolution is no a myth and if it's a reccesive gene it will change back anyway. My point is that it does not make as signifagant difference. And if you ignore the gramatical error in my sentance then it even means the same thing!
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You know, I haven't been taking this thread seriously up until now... and I'm still not. I do have a semi-serious question for DDRKid, though:
If random mutation and natural selection aren't the backbone of evolution, what is? What caused single-celled organisms to evolve into such awesome creatures? I'm pretty sure you left that out of your analysis, eh? I mean, if you're going to dismiss one extremely accepted theory in the scientific field as bull****, you might as well state what you think is the thing that drives evolution. I could go on for an hour on why I think that article is bull****, but working inversely and staying lax is so much more entertaining and easier 8) Also, I forgot to say this but I love you Jewpin. Every time you bless CT with your presence, Jesus smiles.
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And as for random mutation and natural selection: I've said many times that DNA does not create new information, even though mutation. I've been searching through the internet, not only Christian sites, but through Wikipedia and Google search, and I haven't been able to find a mention that DNA can in fact add information to itself, only comments and studies that say it cannot. This makes the whole debate futile, at least for now. This debate cannot be "won", exactly. I cannot remember where I saw it, but I recall the quote "If everybody waited until they had all the relevant details, nobody would have an opinion." I may never be able to convince people like Jewpin and Carbo. They're firmly set in their beliefs. I choose, however, to continue stating the facts, because if I don't, then those who are on the threshold of deciding what to believe will only see the facts from one point of view. This way, they can choose what they think is more believable and make an informed decision.
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obviously carbo, he feels that the answer is god.
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Hehe.. This isn't very critical thinking here, but I go to a Lutheran high school. My friend sucks at math, and we had a killer math test one time. He answered for perhaps 50% of the questions, and filled the rest in with "Jesus!" At the top, he scrawled "My religion teacher says Jesus is the answer to everything" Though he still failed, the teacher gave him five points for that ^^
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NO WHERE IN MY PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY TEXT BOOK DOES IT MENTION "RANDOM MUTATION"
Evolution is NOT fact. Due to the tentative nature of science, scientists do not make such claims. Evolution is a Theory in that it has neither been proven nor debunked, but has withstood the test of time. I believe in evidence and the pursuit of knowledge. Those who fear and deny science are only afraid of the truths it reveals. If the Theologians had their way, the Earth would still be flat. I don't understand this resistance to scientific inquiry, if you don't like it, move in with the Amish or shut up. Darwinian Evolution isn't perfect. No one ever said it was. Our only proof of evolution can be found in the fossil record. And unfortunately, the conditions for fossilization are rare and thus, the record sporadic. But remember, a lack of evidence does not disprove a theory. |
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Jewpin, read.
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