Old 09-7-2019, 10:08 PM   #681
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I'm not trying to be a dick when I say that, but if you're going to push that as a reason to get a lynch on me I have to speak up
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Old 09-7-2019, 10:10 PM   #682
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i'm a sucker for things that look like progressions and xel's post certainly has tha ton me

@xel, can you tell me why dbp's self-awareness of hypocrisy is a cool post
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I focused on kappa more?
Obviously.

But it applies with everything you said about Xelicoptor as well.
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I have no clue what this means? whats TMI
too much information
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the sense of self-importance I'm getting with his read makes me think of him as town, since I really doubt a novice wolf would want to put themselves in the center of a read they make about another player

generally would want to hide and not expose themselves like that
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Old 09-7-2019, 10:14 PM   #686
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the only real weird thing I have on kappa is him asking other people who to vote for in EoD, some of it came off like begging for someone to make a decision for him

but ultimately i'm going to collapse this as towny since it would be ridiculous if a wolf who actually needed guidance with who to vote would ask the thread repeatedly instead of just going to wolfchat for help.
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this behavior is consistent with his play today so far, since he does actually have reads, but hasn't placed a vote, either because

1) isn't comfortable enough to commit to his own reads, or
2) he wants the town to arrive at a consensus so everyone's on the same page

number 2) is the most consistent with his EoD play last night, because his wanting other ppls opinions on who to vote for fits in with a general pro-social attitude
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tl;dr kappa is pure team-oriented player which reads town
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Old 09-7-2019, 10:26 PM   #689
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First we can talk about xel.

xel has rolled town every time I have ever played with him, and even in games I have read but not been in. I have no real idea what him being a wolf would even look like. 3ish times, he has been very obvious town to me and I have defended him. The rest of the times he was not, some of those times I tried really hard to kill him.

He gets hanged almost every game I have seen him in. It is not exactly rocket science to get him hanged, especially when he was the counterwagon d0. Maybe there is value for you in sticking to the vote on him and mostly talking about him. For me there is not. I do not think me questioning him or voting him has had any effect in the past besides making both of us angry, personally. You clearly feel very differently, and I am attempting to assess if it is genuine.

He is supposedly catching up right now and then I will decide if I want to kill him.
hightlighting this since it's a consistent struggle with games that I've played with xel

my vote on xel last night was out of emotion and impulse, I'm no longer afraid to admit that, and it's not like I can point to any specific wolfy thing he's done

but god damn it I'm so tired of this bullshit with him not doing anything and then taking a holier-than-thou approach to this game. the pressure on xel since then is largely as a crucible to get him to extend himself into the game and allow us to get a solid read on him. if he's town and not going to cooperate then fuck him, he's a liability, and the harsh reality of it is that if Xel keeps acting like this he's going to stay alive until potential endgame and get steamrolled.

ideally he would get resolved through other means but I'm in no position to make that call.

based on most recent posts he's been saying stuff but I haven't caught up yet (I'm caught up as of the quoted post) and will place him once I'm done
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I am kind of struggling with words right now.

I agree with DBP's sentiments on this page.

I feel really scared because things feel very unclear to me, in that I still feel strongly about inD and Kappa but not much else, and the town to wolf ratio being what it is already is just a lot of pressure

I um
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the people not playing really bums me out

i don't really think of zenith as the type to cut and run after making a not-very-well-liked post, but that's the note he left on and the most he did was not like kappa
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and just to get this out of the way

"I always get lynched for not doing anything as town" is not a valid defense

"I've only seen him as town and this happens to him" is also not a valid defense
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I am kind of struggling with words right now.

I agree with DBP's sentiments on this page.

I feel really scared because things feel very unclear to me, in that I still feel strongly about inD and Kappa but not much else, and the town to wolf ratio being what it is already is just a lot of pressure

I um
I'm pretty stuck right now myself. I'm glad at least that DBPs here and talking now.
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I'm pretty stuck right now myself. I'm glad at least that DBPs here and talking now.
I don't know the answers either but you have to keep trying no matter what
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that's also @chihiro
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I will feel OK voting anyone out of Xel, H and H, psycho, Zennith. Psycho is making high effort posts, on an instinctual level I just have issues. I don't have the capacity to argue for it really, I just haven't gotten to her being town. Zennith I probably slightly prefer over H and H specifically.

I would feel most comfortable voting with inD.

689 I am resonating with
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and just to get this out of the way

"I always get lynched for not doing anything as town" is not a valid defense

"I've only seen him as town and this happens to him" is also not a valid defense
I agree completely, to be clear
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Of course this game is not about who is the most logical but who is the most honest. I have issues with the fact that your analytical focus has been so narrow, because I think that it can be easier for wolves to hyperfocus on such points, rather than having more holistic views of the game. Wolves also generally have to lie about believing people could be wolves while they are knowing they are town. Inconsistencies like the fact that you are arguing that coaching feels like a reasonable possibility to you in a very short time window, is a sign to me that you may be focusing on trying to look like you're a deep thinker, rather than actually being able to give good arguments on actual wolves. No, it is not clear to me that you believe what you are saying. That is why I am trying to talk about this, and your statement about xel pulling a fast one. Because a lot of what you are focusing on, and the things you mention and then never bring up again, are not digging in in the way I think you are capable of.

I will be honest that it doesn't totally sit right with me, that in general you would think it is going to help you as a wolf to 180 on xel and focus on almost nothing else today. Because the focus reads to me as emotionally based, which would not be real if you are a wolf. How exactly I reconcile that with everything else I've felt about you in the game, I do not know. I have some level of temptation to just defer to inD's opinion of you.
just replying to say I've seen this but am gonna use the remaining time to try to figure things out
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If we go by some numbers. Im just going to say people who have tried to do something will be Psuedo town . That leaves zenith. Is that a bad assumption to make that they are wolf? I would vote zenith, xel , DBP right now not in that order.
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hightlighting this since it's a consistent struggle with games that I've played with xel

my vote on xel last night was out of emotion and impulse, I'm no longer afraid to admit that, and it's not like I can point to any specific wolfy thing he's done

but god damn it I'm so tired of this bullshit with him not doing anything and then taking a holier-than-thou approach to this game. the pressure on xel since then is largely as a crucible to get him to extend himself into the game and allow us to get a solid read on him. if he's town and not going to cooperate then fuck him, he's a liability, and the harsh reality of it is that if Xel keeps acting like this he's going to stay alive until potential endgame and get steamrolled.

ideally he would get resolved through other means but I'm in no position to make that call.

based on most recent posts he's been saying stuff but I haven't caught up yet (I'm caught up as of the quoted post) and will place him once I'm done
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this is the kind of thing one tends to read for, to look for pairs of people that can't be wolves together

like sure it can all be an act, and maybe they talked it out or something, but just on the thread level it looks downright mean-spirited to talk this way about a partner

you can evaluate them separately and get to "wolf" on both of them, but it's things like this that tend to say, oh they're not actually wolves in the same game
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