TWG Championship Season 5

[DarkManticoreX2]

I have more plays then I made in that game

[DarkManticoreX2]

Reveal tonight probably.

Discord party?

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Reveal tonight probably.

Discord party?

I'd be there

[DarkManticoreX2]

Half an hour!

Ffr twg discord? Ima kinda stressing, not gonna lie.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Got third, Not guaranteed advancement, but the spread was 48/45/43, and my 43 is third highest in votes for people not guaranteed to go to finals.

Should get a wildcard out of it though, so I think i'll see everyone next game.

[Funnygurl555]

whats a wildcard?

[DarkManticoreX2]

Ten people auto advance to the finals,
One is jury selected in
6 are selected into the finals from another round of 2 games.

[sprucegrit]

DarkManticoreX2 was actually the best player, imo. So congratz there, DM.

I've been in MU champs 3 times now, and bless them, they just can't get the thing right.
The voting for the games is entirely by players now, sort of. MU encourages players to vote with the protocol MU has established, but that only happens like maybe 50/50, and then with myriads of differences in the cultural and personal distinctive each player brings to the voting queue. More often than not it comes down to who the community knows best having a great advantage over other players. Still, when a player distinguishes themselves through gameplay as DM did, it gets notice, just sometimes not enough notice.

But yes, DM has an excellent chance of making it to an intermediary game. He has done FFR proud.

[Charu]

He's a good player when he focuses, that's for sure.

Just don't catch him when he's sleeping, or not caring. It shows hard when he doesn't give the game a lot of attention, lol.

[mellonxcollie]

Congrats Manti <3

[roundbox]

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by sprucegrit

DarkManticoreX2 was actually the best player, imo. So congratz there, DM.

I've been in MU champs 3 times now, and bless them, they just can't get the thing right.
The voting for the games is entirely by players now, sort of. MU encourages players to vote with the protocol MU has established, but that only happens like maybe 50/50, and then with myriads of differences in the cultural and personal distinctive each player brings to the voting queue. More often than not it comes down to who the community knows best having a great advantage over other players. Still, when a player distinguishes themselves through gameplay as DM did, it gets notice, just sometimes not enough notice.

But yes, DM has an excellent chance of making it to an intermediary game. He has done FFR proud.

I agree with you on a lot of the flaws of the voting system; I also think that it heavily rewards players with FPS and ones that say a lot of words.

I think it comes between Manti and Paratroopa for the best player, and I was pleasantly surprised when Paratroopa advanced to the finals instead of Jack. Not because Jack was bad, or because Paratroopa was vastly superior to the other players, but because I think that voters tend to often forget about the townies that are killed earlygame. They are killed earlygame for a reason, and Manti (and I think this is correct) argued for killing Paratroopa because they were just too competent. Voters tend to not remember the people who died early in favor of the people who lived longer, I think.

FFR has a pretty good track record of the reps we've sent; if Manti is sent to the wildcard games (which I'm like 95-99% sure he will be), then his results are actually on the low end of the reps we've sent, which is kind of hilarious (I say that are the left end of the bell curve of reps). I think he will continue to do FFR proud.

Also, your avatar is incredibly adorable.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Originally Posted by sprucegrit

DarkManticoreX2 was actually the best player, imo. So congratz there, DM.

I've been in MU champs 3 times now, and bless them, they just can't get the thing right.
The voting for the games is entirely by players now, sort of. MU encourages players to vote with the protocol MU has established, but that only happens like maybe 50/50, and then with myriads of differences in the cultural and personal distinctive each player brings to the voting queue. More often than not it comes down to who the community knows best having a great advantage over other players. Still, when a player distinguishes themselves through gameplay as DM did, it gets notice, just sometimes not enough notice.

But yes, DM has an excellent chance of making it to an intermediary game. He has done FFR proud.

Thanks Grit, for what it’s worth, I think you got robbed worse point wise. Your gameplay was hard to untangle and it made so many people just ignore you until basically lylo. I don’t think you got enough credit for that at all.

[sprucegrit]

I was just there as last minute eye-candy to help Lissa out.

I'm actually still rather shakespearesque, ever since even before my first appearance in the champs series back in season 2 on twoplustwo. I applaud Thingyman's efforts with it all, but have always been disappointed or maybe too expectant over the disparity between the stated goal claims and the flawed process. If nothing else, at least MU and the champs series has brought a plethora of communities together or aware of one another.

I'm still pretty sour on any claim of a "champions" slate. It's a popularity contest, and has always been so. Not a popularity of non-offensive play-style as shakespeare may think from his game 8 experience, but of overall MU community popularity. I could have guaranteed shakespeare never stood a chance against Boquise, for example (no disrespect meant to Boquise). It gets even worse when the jury gets involved for advancement from non-automatic placement.

Each year 'they' claim they've 'fixed' the 'issues', and thingyman has had some terrific debate at mindromp over our displeasure, but it remains a very flawed system and nothing like an actual international champ recognition - so yeah, like most every other international competition in any gaming venue, professional or amateur.

I've no doubt though, that whoever wins is certainly a remarkable player.

[Charu]

I always wondered how someone would go about judging who advances in this game to be honest. Maybe that's why I always declined going to one each year (and I've had several people want me to go). That, and I wouldn't be able to do my antics nearly as effective without someone getting mad and thus making the people there see me as some idiot.

Which I think I am when it comes to this game. I try to play this game, but I don't think I'm very good at doing the more intellectual things this game encourages.

[the sun fan]

every single winner that I've seen was, at least, one of the most skilled players in the finals, so that makes me feel better.

Thingyman has an impossible job of making the voting process perfect. It will always benefit players to have FPS and say more words, and yes, you are right that being popular on MU doesn't hurt (I suspect that Zarathustra will advance in your game despite being the D1 mislynch as a result and I can even argue that they still likely deserve it but that's beside the point).

The point here that I'm trying to make is that mafia is a flawed game so I guess I find it oddly fitting that this process is flawed as well. Everything you've described is a part of mafia. People sometimes don't get lynched because they are more liked than the other wagon(s) that spring up at EOD, even if they've done some things that most people wouldn't be able to get away with.

I do think the process can be improved. Manti and I assume that Dante didn't vote, but if he did, would they really have been that informed? The votes were very close, and his votes could've been the difference between any of the top 3 spots. He almost certainly didn't read after he died, so his vote being valid at all feels rather dirty (I also have no idea if he didn't read after he died or if he did, this is just conjecture).

So, the actual process of improving the votes would probably be to have a jury do it for every game, which just so happens to be a tremendous burden. It also means that the communities that are represented don't have much of a voice unless they have someone on that jury representing them. Its beyond impossible to just have a jury of players from every community because there just aren't that many people willing to read and think about 10 games of mafia that they weren't a part of.

So, ultimately, I think that the way it is is flawed. I agree with you there. But I'm really not sure if an alternative that I can think of is better. Its way too much favoritism if its just a jury of competent players, though maybe that would be marginally better than the way it is now. But I think there would be a lot of communities who would be less willing to participate because of the lack of representation that they would have.

Also, thingyman pretty much built this all by himself. He puts in a ton of work and the changes that he makes, he makes because he does believe that he is making the process better. I'd say when it comes to mafia (and believe I have said it before) that I trust his opinion above my own.

I am sorry that there have been unfavorable interactions with him and your community though.

I am unsure of what you are comparing the process to wrt "an actual international champ recognition" and I would like to know what you mean there.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Charu

Which I think I am when it comes to this game. I try to play this game, but I don't think I'm very good at doing the more intellectual things this game encourages.

the intellectual stuff doesn't really matter that much. I don't think I often win as town because I outsmarted the wolves, though it has to happen sometimes considering I've played a bunch. I think, above all else, the best thing to do in mafia is to just play well. Work on getting good reads as town, work on your image as a wolf. The rest feels like it usually falls into place.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

the intellectual stuff doesn't really matter that much. I don't think I often win as town because I outsmarted the wolves, though it has to happen sometimes considering I've played a bunch. I think, above all else, the best thing to do in mafia is to just play well. Work on getting good reads as town, work on your image as a wolf. The rest feels like it usually falls into place.

I suppose that's all I can do. I do believe I am a good wolf though, if that counts for anything, dohoho.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Personally, I think the 17 players with the most points should just go to the finals.

Easy, no subjectivity, no ego, minor favoritism.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Personally, I think the 17 players with the most points should just go to the finals.

Easy, no subjectivity, no ego, minor favoritism.

games where less people don't vote are hit harder for no good reason