Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) - Page 45

**ssbmchamp** · 03-4-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Evnoir

Regardless of if you're innocent or not, I'd be worried about your hand if it hurts that much.

You can tell if it's CTS by looking at the palm of your hands - it'll be swollen, or at least it will feel swollen.
I would recommend you take a break from your job because of the loss of grip and strength in the hands from CTS.

Might as well take a picture of the palm of your hands and post it as some sort of defense for your case :P

I am worried about my hand lol, that's why i'm not playing. if it gets better soon ill try playing easy songs to see if that irritates it. and yea i wish i could take a break from work but its just me and my boss and we have a huge display show coming up so he'd be screwed if i wasn't there to help :/ just gotta take it easy one day at a time.

**i love you** · 03-4-2012, 06:33 PM

@ssbmchamp: I'm glad you are considering what I told you. Hope you feel better soon so you can start playing again (:

Okay guys, argument is over. Get back on topic now.

**ssbmchamp** · 03-4-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by i love you

@ssbmchamp: I'm glad you are considering what I told you. Hope you feel better soon so you can start playing again (:

Thanks I hope so too!

**pmonibuv1** · 03-4-2012, 09:35 PM

I call cheet on everyone who has posted in this thread. Me included. :>

**Zakvvv666** · 03-4-2012, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pmonibuv1

I call cheet on everyone who has posted in this thread. Me included. :>

Oh...

**Elite Ninja** · 03-4-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pmonibuv1

I call cheet on everyone who has posted in this thread. Me included. :>

Welp time for me to post a bunch of my FFR vids and replays then

EDIT: welp I have carpel tunnel so guess you are gonna have to wait

Trogdor!!!! · 03-4-2012, 09:50 PM

I got called a cheeter. Time to get multiple pages of spotlight. :3

**kmay** · 03-4-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rushyrulz

superiority complex coming through^
CTS isn't like achievement unlocked upon playing x FFR games of y difficulty, it varies from person to person.

i'm getting something in my right wrist, but its from volleyball which is much worse on your wrists than lifting heavy things. try the setting motion everyday for 3-4 hours for 4 years. guh

i'm going to invest in a brace =[

also. velo put this to rest already. jesus.

**pmonibuv1** · 03-4-2012, 10:12 PM

Kellen plays more v-ball than me. And now I wanna play but no team. QQ

**krunkykai22** · 03-4-2012, 10:39 PM

I actually agree with Popadopalis over here. That is NOT the way shit goes down here on FFR Lol you don't get BS calls and simply walk away without proof. LOL

Listen bud, I've done Masonry/Carpentry/Electrical work before. Helped build a 72 apartment building complex from the foundation up. I know all about this lol the only possible way for you to develop CTS from lifting that shit is if you're lifting wrong. WHICH, in turn means you should quit your ****ing job lulz.

All your hands are doing is providing support from which your legs should be muscling the rest, unless you're trying to be some powerhouse MMA fighter and want to lift with just your arms lol THAT or your wrists are just ****ing weak lol PLUS, I don't know how you could obtain CTS from only a week working with that job and all of a sudden get it... I mean you have over 20 Bil GT here on FFR, obviously from all the "mashing" you did, that probably required more wrist work then whatever it is you say you're doing.

Come the **** on lol

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Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

I already mentioned that point earlier in this thread

All of a sudden he mentions it without any prior informing of the community and he doesn't even state anything else he's done - other repetitive tasks can also play a factor, and it's gradual.

You know what? If I'm going to receive constant dreck like this, then I won't post in this thread anymore. This type of attitude that's been put on to me from the community has been happening for over 4 years.

In before more superiority complex posts, popcorn, lol dossar comments, or somehow flawed argument crap - I'll admit I can be wrong, but I did make that point earlier and it's irritating to distort the meaning

Dude, it's the simple point, stop ****ing comparing people to YOU. Compare them to someone else. You are not god, and no you don't know everything. jesus man, you "try" to be all over the place with this typical nonsense of yours. Who gives a flying ****!

00Razor00 · 03-5-2012, 01:10 AM

i asked Velocity if multiplayer level boosting (aka cheating as in subin's screenshot) was against the rules, and according to him and the other staff, it's not.

so i doubt ARROW UP's mp stats will be wiped

**HammyMcSquirrel** · 03-5-2012, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 00Razor00

i asked Velocity if multiplayer level boosting (aka cheating as in subin's screenshot) was against the rules, and according to him and the other staff, it's not.

If ARROW UP boosted his level then according to the MP rules thread, he cheated. (Don't know what other rules were being referred to by those who told you it wasn't considered cheating.)

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Originally Posted by FFR Multiplayer: Complete Guide and Rules

Don't cheat in the game. Feeding (intentionally losing repeatedly to your other account in order to get a higher MP level, or getting someone else to lose to you intentionally to give you level) is considered cheating and is not allowed, as well as any way of intentionally using unfair methods to win games.

**TC_Halogen** · 03-5-2012, 05:59 AM

It definitely used to be against the rules - AOD_Element had his MP level reset multiple times for boosting on his own alternate account, as well as disconnecting against people when he was losing (or about to lose) in an MP match.

Granted, that was the rule quite a while back, but it's definitely something that should still be enforced.

EDIT: Razor - you of all people should remember that: remember when he was tooting his horn with his so called legitimate level 30 MP? I wanted to pry it out of his hands so badly but he would never play against me (and with good reason).

EDIT #2: I just realized - what happened to TK_Hero? He had a level 29 MP on his account. I know there was speculation as to that being partially obtained through the old leveling system, but I'm a bit surprised to not see him up there.

**nois-or-e** · 03-5-2012, 06:02 AM

Yeah, feeding accounts is one of the few ways you can cheat in MP...

**The5thMoon** · 03-5-2012, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

EDIT #2: I just realized - what happened to TK_Hero? He had a level 29 MP on his account. I know there was speculation as to that being partially obtained through the old leveling system, but I'm a bit surprised to not see him up there.

He's still a level 29, the board just shows active mp players.

**kmay** · 03-5-2012, 07:14 AM

ranked 27th in MP? i call BS on myself x.x

**rushyrulz** · 03-5-2012, 12:38 PM

I quit in the middle of a song against someone I thought was a level 18 while I was level 27 and lost a couple MP levels oops (the other guy was really like level 19 but the level didn't update in the chat).

**qqwref** · 03-5-2012, 10:58 PM

I took the liberty of analyzing a few RATO replays: Rubix's AAA, Mina's AAA, and Dossar's 23-0-2-3. These were all games that were supposedly legitimate.

Wall of FFR detective text with a cool image:

tl;dr:
- Rubix's replay is definitely BS. I'm 100% sure of this.
- Mina's replay is almost certainly BS. It just doesn't make sense from the perspective of a human player.
- Dossar's replay makes sense and suggests a strong human player. It's pretty clear he's legitimate, and he has one of the best RATO scores ever recorded (legit or not) so he makes a good control.

**TC_Halogen** · 03-5-2012, 11:01 PM

dude, the work that you're putting into this is so sweet, haha. such a strong analysis tool!

**hi19hi19** · 03-5-2012, 11:03 PM

Really, really cool analysis and I can't help but to agree. This is how you argue on the internet, with facts and quantitative analysis :P

03-4-2012, 06:33 PM	#882
i love you Live a wonderful life~ Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,313	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) @ssbmchamp: I'm glad you are considering what I told you. Hope you feel better soon so you can start playing again (: Okay guys, argument is over. Get back on topic now. __________________ =============================== The idea that RDCP 3 may come out in the future is a fun thought to have~ ===============================

03-4-2012, 09:35 PM	#884
pmonibuv1 yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,236	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) I call cheet on everyone who has posted in this thread. Me included. :> __________________ FMO AAA's (55): Rottel-Da-Station, Church Bells, Arrogant Cobbler, Grocery Escape Plan, Disconnected Hardkore, Minute Waltz v2, Battle Theme #37, Flight of the Bumblebee, Midnight Dragon, Jeanie and Caroline, Blue-Violet, Puzzle, Kyrie, 300, Largiloquent Dithyramb, Brandish Headless, Going On Spring Wind, Novo Mundo, Gacha Gacha Hertz Figu atto Radio, Starwolf, Melonman's OP, Summer Time Perfume, Perfect Cherry Storm, Hajnal, Epidermis, Strangeprogram, Thrash, Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit), Choprite, AIM Anthem, Dance and Zeal, Kanon Medley ~Metal Wings~, Clockwork, JULIA, Heavenly Spores, Distorted God, Radio Heads, Epilogue, Spoils, Ripoff, Since 1983, A FLOWER GARDEN, The earth blew up, Phalanx, Chronograph, Black Key Etude, Trinity, super mario bros theme (original NES is awesome), Jack-The-Ripper, Poppin' Shower, cheerful forest, Trisection v2, Devilz Staircase, Colibri, Club FGO AAA's (2): Time To Eye, The Bird's Concrete Nosedive [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-4-2012, 09:50 PM	#887
Trogdor!!!! Forever Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1,664	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) I got called a cheeter. Time to get multiple pages of spotlight. :3

03-4-2012, 10:12 PM	#889
pmonibuv1 yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,236	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) Kellen plays more v-ball than me. And now I wanna play but no team. QQ __________________ FMO AAA's (55): Rottel-Da-Station, Church Bells, Arrogant Cobbler, Grocery Escape Plan, Disconnected Hardkore, Minute Waltz v2, Battle Theme #37, Flight of the Bumblebee, Midnight Dragon, Jeanie and Caroline, Blue-Violet, Puzzle, Kyrie, 300, Largiloquent Dithyramb, Brandish Headless, Going On Spring Wind, Novo Mundo, Gacha Gacha Hertz Figu atto Radio, Starwolf, Melonman's OP, Summer Time Perfume, Perfect Cherry Storm, Hajnal, Epidermis, Strangeprogram, Thrash, Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit), Choprite, AIM Anthem, Dance and Zeal, Kanon Medley ~Metal Wings~, Clockwork, JULIA, Heavenly Spores, Distorted God, Radio Heads, Epilogue, Spoils, Ripoff, Since 1983, A FLOWER GARDEN, The earth blew up, Phalanx, Chronograph, Black Key Etude, Trinity, super mario bros theme (original NES is awesome), Jack-The-Ripper, Poppin' Shower, cheerful forest, Trisection v2, Devilz Staircase, Colibri, Club FGO AAA's (2): Time To Eye, The Bird's Concrete Nosedive [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

03-5-2012, 05:59 AM	#893
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) It definitely used to be against the rules - AOD_Element had his MP level reset multiple times for boosting on his own alternate account, as well as disconnecting against people when he was losing (or about to lose) in an MP match. Granted, that was the rule quite a while back, but it's definitely something that should still be enforced. EDIT: Razor - you of all people should remember that: remember when he was tooting his horn with his so called legitimate level 30 MP? I wanted to pry it out of his hands so badly but he would never play against me (and with good reason). EDIT #2: I just realized - what happened to TK_Hero? He had a level 29 MP on his account. I know there was speculation as to that being partially obtained through the old leveling system, but I'm a bit surprised to not see him up there. Last edited by TC_Halogen; 03-5-2012 at 06:05 AM..

03-5-2012, 06:02 AM	#894
nois-or-e SponCon Aficionado Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: doot~ Age: 38 Posts: 3,250	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) Yeah, feeding accounts is one of the few ways you can cheat in MP... __________________

03-5-2012, 07:14 AM	#896
kmay Don't forget me Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Age: 31 Posts: 6,491	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) ranked 27th in MP? i call BS on myself x.x __________________

03-5-2012, 12:38 PM	#897
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) I quit in the middle of a song against someone I thought was a level 18 while I was level 27 and lost a couple MP levels oops (the other guy was really like level 19 but the level didn't update in the chat). __________________

03-5-2012, 10:58 PM	#898
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) I took the liberty of analyzing a few RATO replays: Rubix's AAA, Mina's AAA, and Dossar's 23-0-2-3. These were all games that were supposedly legitimate. Wall of FFR detective text with a cool image: These 7 numbers are the number of times a note was hit in that frame, going from earliest frame (average) to latest frame (late good). The three bolded frames are the perfects. MrRubix's RATO AAA: 0,0,583,789,227,0,0 MinaciousGrace's RATO AAA: 0,0,26,873,701,0,0 Dossar's RATO 23-0-2-3: 0,10,367,1013,195,12,1 What do we see just from these numbers? I notice some things: - Rubix's accuracy is all over the place. If this was a legit run (it's not, I'll explain why later) he would have had to be incredibly lucky to not get tons of goods. - Mina's accuracy is very heavily concentrated (98.4%) on the mid and late perfect frames. That is he is not only AAAing this song, but basically getting pretty nice "MA" on it. In addition, the large number of late-perfect hits mean he would have also had to be incredibly lucky to not get tons of goods. - Dossar's accuracy is more in the middle perfect frame, with substantial numbers of hits on each of the other frames. So this suggests he's aiming for the middle frame but having trouble hitting it. The numbers don't drop off suddenly, so there is no insane luck here. I also looked at the replays themselves, in terms of how these frames are distributed (that is: where is someone getting their perfect frames? and how do they hit patterns). I made a replay program that would show the replay next to the actual FFR song, with each replay hit colored by the accuracy. Also, I added an option to highlight (in blue) notes which were hit on the middle perfect frame. - Rubix's replay is just hilarious. There are five places where he hits a 0-frame jack in the replay (getting perfects on two different notes of course) and many bursts are hit as bizarre two-frame-interval gluts that bear little resemblance to the actual thing. This includes stuff like 16th streams and 32nd rolls. In fact, the vast majority of the notes are hit on an odd-numbered frame. This doesn't resemble a human playing style at all. - Mina's replay looked reasonable at first. However, when I added a feature that highlighted which notes were in the middle perfect frame, I began to see a really weird pattern. There are parts of the song in which almost all of the hits are on the mid perfect frame, and other parts of the song in which almost all of the hits are on the late perfect frame. That kind of accuracy and inconsistency is really weird for a human player, because human players can't deliberately hit a particular frame on a song this difficult. - Dossar's replay is very much different from Mina's with the note highlighting. He hit about 63% of the notes on the middle perfect frame, and throughout the whole replay, consistently, about 2/3 of the notes are highlighted. There are random fluctuations, but overall, this is what you'd expect from a human player who is trying to hit the middle perfect frame. tl;dr: - Rubix's replay is definitely BS. I'm 100% sure of this. - Mina's replay is almost certainly BS. It just doesn't make sense from the perspective of a human player. - Dossar's replay makes sense and suggests a strong human player. It's pretty clear he's legitimate, and he has one of the best RATO scores ever recorded (legit or not) so he makes a good control. __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

03-5-2012, 11:01 PM	#899
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) dude, the work that you're putting into this is so sweet, haha. such a strong analysis tool!

03-5-2012, 11:03 PM	#900
hi19hi19 lol happy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: DESTINY Age: 33 Posts: 12,193	Re: Suspicious Scores thread (Formerly Hacked Scores) Really, really cool analysis and I can't help but to agree. This is how you argue on the internet, with facts and quantitative analysis :P __________________

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