TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I was just listing out random thoughts

you quoted three entire posts as if they were all related and tried to twist them to make me seem bad, that's the definition of cherrypicking

I think the way you pushed on me earlier was scummy but I think V's play earlier was somewhat towny so I'm not sure where to place you

It's not that I don't have any mafia, I'm just having trouble finding scum because I don't have any strong leads like I normally do (see what I mean by twisting?)

How are they not related? And how did I twist them?

Cherry picking is the act of taking things out of context. Where did I do this?

Why was the way I pushed on you scummy? Why was V towny?

How on earth can you have mafia and have trouble finding any at the same time?

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I do but I'm saying you're connecting thoughts that weren't related

please realize that I'm playing this game during my school semester and although it may be the weekend I'm often studying while playing

and again you're misinterpreting, read my above post on my thoughts on your slot, I pinged reuben out because he's a bad data point

having trouble finding scum =/= not having mafia, again read my above post

Ok, so you're saying that the thoughts weren't connected because you're busy? I don't see how that applies, because all three posts were made within a minute of each other. That's just about enough time to type them up and hit post.

I really need to understand how one can have mafia and have trouble finding them at the same time, because I don't follow at all.

I think you're resorting to meaningless words that sound like they discredit my push instead of actually addressing my problem. :/

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by fontisian

How are they not related? And how did I twist them?

Cherry picking is the act of taking things out of context. Where did I do this?

Why was the way I pushed on you scummy? Why was V towny?

How on earth can you have mafia and have trouble finding any at the same time?

they are not related because: I noticed you had thrown a vote on me when you started posting and pushing on me again and I responded to that

I pinged out an inactive that I had just noticed

and then I realized that I don't have any strong suspicions

You interpret that as: I think fontisian is mafia

I think reuben is also mafia but let's redirect on to him

and I don't have any mafia

all of which I have said are not what I was thinking. so you've twisted all of my posts

the way you're pushing on me scummy was because originally it seemed like you just threw out some random points as a reason to vote me, aka post 86 or something and a reaction to pressure. given that you yourself have said you don't know any of us I'll say for you that zenith always reacts poorly to pressure regardless of alignment and the data point thing is weak. V didn't post much but the way he was trying to throw out reads regardless of time restrictions and burst posting on short observations made it seem like he was being really honest. And now that you're still pushing on me you've ignored posts I've made (and am having to reiterate now) and you're twisting and cherrypicking my posts

I can have mafia because I have weak suspicions/leans on certain people but I can still have trouble finding them because I don't have any strong "I think this person's a mafia" feeling

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Ok, so you're saying that the thoughts weren't connected because you're busy? I don't see how that applies, because all three posts were made within a minute of each other. That's just about enough time to type them up and hit post.

I really need to understand how one can have mafia and have trouble finding them at the same time, because I don't follow at all.

I think you're resorting to meaningless words that sound like they discredit my push instead of actually addressing my problem. :/

they were 3 observations that were unrelated

I answered your question about how I can have mafia and have trouble finding them just now

[AragakiAyase]

my thought process is more likely to be scattered when I'm doing something else (studying) so I'm more likely to throw out random observations than a connected train of thought, especially when I'm not focusing strongly on anything at a particular time

[AragakiAyase]

compare it to now when I'm arguing against you

[AragakiAyase]

oh cool he left


k

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

they are not related because: I noticed you had thrown a vote on me when you started posting and pushing on me again and I responded to that

I pinged out an inactive that I had just noticed

and then I realized that I don't have any strong suspicions

You interpret that as: I think fontisian is mafia

I think reuben is also mafia but let's redirect on to him

and I don't have any mafia

Ok, this makes more sense. So, they are related, but there's a coherent thought process behind them. I still think it's a little off, but not as much as I originally thought.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

all of which I have said are not what I was thinking. so you've twisted all of my posts

the way you're pushing on me scummy was because originally it seemed like you just threw out some random points as a reason to vote me, aka post 86 or something and a reaction to pressure. given that you yourself have said you don't know any of us I'll say for you that zenith always reacts poorly to pressure regardless of alignment and the data point thing is weak. V didn't post much but the way he was trying to throw out reads regardless of time restrictions and burst posting on short observations made it seem like he was being really honest. And now that you're still pushing on me you've ignored posts I've made (and am having to reiterate now) and you're twisting and cherrypicking my posts

I can have mafia because I have weak suspicions/leans on certain people but I can still have trouble finding them because I don't have any strong "I think this person's a mafia" feeling

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You keep using these words ("cherry picking," "twisting") like they exonerate you, when in reality it's a way of casting doubt without making a true argument. Perhaps that's your normal style, but it's unhelpful.

I can't take your word for it on Zenith, as you are biased in his favor. Could someone else confirm that Zenith always reacts poorly to pressure?

I pointed out rzr's post 86, as it had some logic I disagreed with, but that I believe was given in good faith, and I wanted to explain my disagree. Specifically, I think Zenith's start was scummy because he tried to analyze something that he previous stated was pointless instead of all the content already in thread. It seems like he was trying to fake content to get townread, even though he didn't believe in it.

I still think you're mafia, but I'm not as tunneled in as I was on it prior to that last post.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

That whole him trying to "cover" our blues really left a bad taste in my mouth..especially so given he said "I WAS COVERING FOR YOU" to two different people. Plus the fact that both of our pr's ended up claiming makes it look like he was role hunting. He also mislead town all throughout D2 with his false claim and false info he offered up which doesn't really garner him very many town points in my book. I've been skeptical of his claim since I saw it in like mid D2 and I expressed distrust in him leading up to eod so yeah.

I think he's very likely not town aligned.

whoa hold the phone there

I was only covering for Xiz here --- I knew Haku was a medic so I tried to divert attention off of him, but I only was softing as psychic.

You thinking that because the PRs claimed, I was rolehunting is stupid as fuck if you're town and just opportunistic if you're antitown

riddle me this Red Blaster, how are the two occurences connected at all?

if I was the serial killer, why would I literally paint a target on my back for the wolf nightkill?

which would leave me as a mafia member, which I would like to see you try to pin on me, since I've been one of the most active scumhunters in this game so far

[AragakiAyase]

not touching charu or dabackpack today

slight town lean on xiz/red blaster

I'm sitting null on rzr, cause he promised big things but now IRL seems to be getting in the way. his tone has been towny but I really wanted to see what he had to say and meh

fontisian is climbing up the scum ladder the more he ignores me and continues trying to mislynch me

SKG still hasn't done shit

same with reuben

storn's tone seems ok but i've misread him the past few games and I had no read on cedolad

I'd be ok with killing storn, reuben, skg today, maaaaaaybe fontisian but that's dependent on what he continues to post

I don't think I missed anyone

[AragakiAyase]

k I like fontisian's last post

[DaBackpack]

and your apparent refusal to accept that I was actually protecting a blue (in my mind) twice in the same phase leads me to suspect that you are going for "he lied, ergo I am justified in sounding suspicious of him" which is incredibly lazy

and you know what else is incredibly lazy? going after AA right now "just because Zenith did some weird things"

[AragakiAyase]

I think if someone tried to explain zenith's meta it would help

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I think if someone tried to explain zenith's meta it would help

he gets mad

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

and you know what else is incredibly lazy? going after AA right now "just because Zenith did some weird things"

*rolls eyes*

Because Zenith's alignment has nothing to do with AAs.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

he gets mad

A little more detail, please.

[AragakiAyase]

also where did zenith say it was pointless to analyze the kill? was it in a previous game?

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by fontisian

*rolls eyes*

Because Zenith's alignment has nothing to do with AAs.

it absolutely does

but iirc he's not even really considering AA's behavior here, which is lazy if he's "REALLY TRYING TO FIND THE TRUTH"

I will need to check that last point again

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by fontisian

A little more detail, please.

I was being facetious

that's all I really know about Zenith, he's been changing a lot

[Charu]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

he gets mad

Really mad