TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[Celirra]

Originally Posted by inDheart

only problem with gin and tonic right now is i wanted to cook later

oh well

I decided to keep drinking at a steady rate until everyone is present and interacting with one another here

which won't happen now that tiloco is gone

fuck

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Yeah, the tokzic wagon was falling down and the xelnya wagon was building. Everyone was agreeing that xelnya was scummy enough to lynch, and nobody really defended him at all. It was that which psyched me out and made me believe that we were on the wrong wagon, but I couldn't articulate who due to the amount of time left. Cel was a person who was posting a good amount but nothing of high substance. At this time I was thinking that his kinda backseat approach to the end of the day made me suspect him and want a wagon on him, but due to it being only a few minutes left in the day I realized it was a bad idea because if people would have listened to me it would have caused a scramble, and a potential mislynch considering xel was mafia.

sometimes scrambles are good though - it's been part of the FFR meta for a long time

thing is, town-you shouldn't know whether xel is a mislynch or not, and i would just push for the scramble if you really believe that and think something's up with his wagon

this reads all weird

[Celirra]

Originally Posted by Celirra

Tokzic theory: can you at least label it one as painting Tokzic as wolf or town?

this was in response to

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Additionally I had/still have a Tokzic theory floating around in the back of my head that I don't want to talk much about and have been operating on since mid D2.

because I do really want to hear at least something of this

[DarkManticoreX2]

Uh i think the only way to say this without it turning into antitown information is that it would paint tokzic and another player as confirmed t/t.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I don't plan on going after him at all, but if he were to die today and he's wolf it helps regardless because we get another day phase for sure, because we're that much more further from mylo.

this post is um. how do i say. waffling all over the place

you're indifferent to the concept of an (unlikely) lynch of a claimed PR and that's so odd

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I went through Xel posts and this seems the most relevant to use.

I feel Soundwave is a push away from partners.

Freezing being the only town read is muy importante I think. Might be why he died?

blind did read xel for spew here, although getting to this post reminded me of something else

if xel has dbp as a null read, why would he care whether dbp gets lynched? why would he pop in and say he doesn't see the case for it?

[inDheart]

blind usually votes like this:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

How are you bussing your wolf team if all you're doing is trying to lynch DBP Tokzic

after this he changes his vote to mml and then back to tokzic iirc, in ways that look organic

however, here's a post where he's appealing to blues:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

ok so..... we can go with voting dbp because LIGHTKNIGHT did, but he also said he didn't think he was a wolf.

or we can go with TILOCO who thinks xiz is a wolf.

one confirmed blue, one uncounteredclaimed blue.

choices.....

which also wouldn't seem to square with his usual style, because neither of these are wagons he wanted besides xiz halfway. he seemed pretty set on wanting to resolve a tokzic/tiloco world with cel. what happened?

[inDheart]

blind

putting my vote where my mouth is for now

[Celirra]

Actually InD, I'm curious, and sorry if you explained it already;

How do you envision me/xiz/blind as a team (as noted on your chart)? I'm kinda curious where your mind is at with that.

[Celirra]

addendum: I know you mentioned it's based off EoD wagons, but do you have more to go off of than that?

[Celirra]

actually I guess you have more weight on blind specifically, but I guess I'm curious on why the ties to other candidates, or if it's just an individual basis

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Celirra

actually I guess you have more weight on blind specifically, but I guess I'm curious on why the ties to other candidates, or if it's just an individual basis

it's individual; i really don't like doing scum associatives. i like clearing pairs rather than discovering them

xiz and blind don't make a lot of sense together since the way xiz's read has continued on blind today, it's more than just distancing in my mind

i don't think you wanting to flip blind who's super null to you says anything to me

[inDheart]

has soundwave had to go without leaving a vote?

[blindreper1179]

blind

[Celirra]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

blind

bold move cotton

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Celirra

bold move cotton

let's see if it pays off.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Guess I'll make a current reads list as well since nothing else is happening. Off the top of my head:

Special:
Tiloco - Could be red or blue. I've been looking over his posts, and the day ends are really annoying me. Actions are bad, posts are good. I think I've been getting unwarrented heat for suggesting he COULD be red. I just want people to remember this is a possibility and not to let him skate to endgame.

Solid Town -

InDHeart - Solid town, fairly universal read here that I share with almost everyone due to tone and gameplay. The interaction D1 between him me and soundwave made me like him D1, and my stance hasn't changed since.

Mix Master Lar - Also fairly universally town read. He's been highly active and has touched on every single player in the game. I don't like how he pressured me this phase and then dipped after I pushed back a bit at the top of this page. That felt noncommital.

Town

Tokzic - Going into D2 I thought Tokzic and Tiloco could be a W/W interaction due to tokzic's hard clear of tiloco D1, but I've come around. We had a lot of similar thoughts D1 to the point where I was wondering if he was mirroring me, and it continued D2 with post 1826 about blind defending xel and pushing him. Currently running a theory in the back of my head he is T/T with someone else. Proof below from about now in D2

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Don't know what to feel about Tokzic. I have a hunch though.

Would really like Tokzic to come back to the thread so I don't have to theorycraft.

Null

WV - WV has been white noise for me most of this game. I haven't had any direct interaction with him, nor has he done anything this game to affect the game state.

Soundwave - Soundwave has been floated up by enough people to be a possible lynch target each day. His posts have been all over the place, and I can't really get into his headspace. It's been mentioned several times that he's easily mislynched however so I've chalked him up to "deal with near endgame"

Wolfy (ordered cleanest to worst)

Cel - Tunneled Tiloco all D2 up until the very end of the phase. Seemed to ignore the work Freezin did to get stances out of tiloco. See below:

Originally Posted by Celirra

Admittedly, it's two reasons;

1) As I've mentioned before, he did feel very lazy with his analysis on various occasions, which does somewhat rub me the wrong way. He did clear up some of it, but unless I missed something by accident which I'm prone to do it turns out, there were occasions where what I called him out on were... well, not answered very well if at all.

2) Not a reason more a self-analysis, but I might be so focused due to a bit of guilt over saving him by keeping my d0 on Light, causing the mislynch. Oops.


And then, part of it as well is that although I'm not the most... adept with mechanics, it seems that someone (I wanna say freezin) worked it out to be mechanically correct to go for Tiloco, which somewhat fortified my stance. Though I don't care for mechanics too much, I recall Tiloco's response as a "imagine my world" kind of argument, which is always a bit of a silly one to me, and ultimately didn't even do a great job of fending off the points made and felt more like a dissuasion.

also for what it's worth, it feels a bit weird how he's semi-aggressively insistent I'm scummy, ever since I started reading him as such, almost like a "no, you!" style of pushing focus.



mostly #1 though, the rest are more explanations for gut feelings probably.

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Freezin's push on Tiloco was for answers and interaction. He was pushing tiloco hard to try figure out Tiloco's headspace and to attempt to find an inconsistency in Tiloco's thought process.

Freezin and I for that matter both think Tiloco's responses were pretty good, and gave some solid insight into where he is/was in the game. That's why we both backed off

Kinda find it interesting that you didn't come out with the same impression. If you had said "Tiloco's actions at EOD speak louder then him being able to navigate freezin's questioning" I would be fine with your vote on Tiloco, I woulda been more then okay with the vote.

Kinda think you're tunneling.

Has had me as "fairly human" most of the game, and now is following the wagon as it gains momentum. Additionally stayed on the Tokzic wagon once the Tiloco wagon vanished. We all know Xel is a wolf now. D2 vote looks suspect.

DBP - Gone for days at a time, pushed the LK vote from the sidelines D1 then backed off and voted elsewhere, causing a mislynch. D2, didn't show up till the end of the phase, and then finally voted Xel after it was clear Xel was dying. Vote looks like bussing. Has done nothing D3.

Blind - This has been addressed a bunch already, so I'll just go over the basics. Headspace has been weird all game. Reached the same conclusion as Lar D2, then decided he didn't want to have the same read as him. Just had another instance with InD a few posts ago. His logic isn't meshing up and his offhanded defensiveness of Xel during the D2 lynch was bad as well.

Xiz - #1 on my wolf reads list. Voting history is poor. Activity D1/2 is spotty due to IRL things. He got spooked he was seered by tiloco and retreated immediately to masons, he voted last minute in a tight vote race for tokzic in what looks like an attempt to save xel. All these things combined scream wolf.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Masons should be millers in Xiz's footer

[Celirra]

I think I might've missed it, can you pull a quote of DBP pushing the nakah vote d0?

[DarkManticoreX2]

Someone multi quoted 4 separate posts on D2 i think. I'll try to find it.