Old 09-28-2019, 07:12 PM   #761
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I remember regretting not trying harder to push to round 4 cause I played the round so late in the week - but that was more of a pride thing and unforeseen reinstatement to D7 but I felt humble to be remembered as a 'D7' player.

All and all I made it as far as I did last time lmao and at no point did prizes even reach my attention but that's coming from me personally.

The last time I was prize hungry was when vrofl was 500 mill in a day :O

edit: also I remember getting top 5 in d6 one year after having had vrofl already but didnt know till the tourney was long over that oh yah vrofl is a top 8 thing guess I forgot
I was personally especially motivated this tournament after being told that I didn't belong in D8 and was initially in it to simply receive perks. So I decided to channel that negativity and turn it into an absolutely ridiculous skillboost that was probably overdue for quite some time. I'm technically not D8 as far as Etterna goes, but I'm definitely able to handle some shit that I wasn't able to when this tournament started. It's nice to have an appreciation for some of the stuff that I wasn't able to play before.

Competition can bring out the best in people.

Back when I crafted most of Undici for the previous tournament, I made a lot of decisions on what I felt was theoretically possible by the top level players who were still competing. I tested everything on 0.9x rate and determined that if I was able to essentially keep up and handle it, that it would probably be effective as a final for that tournament. It worked fairly well given not only the score spread for the tournament, but also my ability to actually keep up with it now compared to before. I gave Undici a try during the Extratone Firestorm round and actually held a SDG up to the 12th note jacks that begins the final section - and when isolating that final section out alone when warm, I was able to get teens on it. Theoretically - this means a run where everything goes together might yield somewhere in the 30s in goods.

... I'm not quite ready to find that out at the moment though with the osu!mania world cup going on. I don't want to taint my accuracy there with FFR's timing windows here, ahaha

EDIT: @ previous discussion because I realized a post was made in direction to me: I legitimately don't care at this point. Nothing changes - you didn't need to deconstruct anything further - my opinion's not changing either. It's still going to come down to the fact there were other prizes to shoot for later in the tournament that would have made you eligible for the token had you not known the tokens existed in the first place and chose not to go for those. You settled - nothing is going to change that and arguing about it isn't changing my opinion about the fact that you were lazy/complacent. Seeing the minimal amount of plays made also doesn't help your case for me. I'm not gonna fixate on this, and I'll reiterate: I'm not targeting you, I'm targeting everyone who has this mindset, because that's how I feel.

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Old 09-28-2019, 07:14 PM   #762
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man the d6 songs in rounds 5-7 were way harder lol
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Hell yeah this is starting to get exciting again
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yah i gotta say aj you did hold you're own in d8 I was expecting you to have a harder time sooner I knew you're accuracy was good but didn't think you got around to having more solid control but then again you've been one of the top players for eons now :U
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yah i gotta say aj you did hold you're own in d8 I was expecting you to have a harder time sooner I knew you're accuracy was good but didn't think you got around to having more solid control but then again you've been one of the top players for eons now :U
I started off pretty poorly. 14 people made it to round 3 after a cumulative round 1/round 2 qualifier. I got 13th.
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yah but that's when I'd say the games to hard and do some thing else lmao
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i tried in this tournament to the best of my ability but i didn't actively put the time in to train. i would have trained *harder* if i knew about the prizes. assessing blame to anyone for not trying as hard as they can no matter what is not a realistic mindset because not everyone is motivated by the same things.

in the end it's not that big of a deal thank you for running the tournament. i just think coming out and saying it's our fault if we aren't always investing everything we can no matter what in the tournament is irrationally defensive.
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Old 09-28-2019, 08:17 PM   #768
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tbh I didn't try this tournament to the best of my ability and knowing that there were new prizes probably would have changed that


what it wouldn't have changed was my complete inability to make it to a prize round in my division this tournament anyway so I guess it doesn't matter in the end
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Well, I mean prizes are nice, but tournaments in general are kind of made for the sport of testing your skills against other players, which is why I signed up.

I view the prizes added midway as a "raising the stakes" or a "bonus" kind of thing, which adds excitement during the livestreams. Since the tournament is two months long, excitement and motivation kind of dwindle as the weeks go by (at least from my experience), so having something like new prizes partway through helps to spice things up again.
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Well, I mean prizes are nice, but tournaments in general are kind of made for the sport of testing your skills against other players, which is why I signed up.

I view the prizes added midway as a "raising the stakes" or a "bonus" kind of thing, which adds excitement during the livestreams. Since the tournament is two months long, excitement and motivation kind of dwindle as the weeks go by (at least from my experience), so having something like new prizes partway through helps to spice things up again.
Well I'm glad at least one person gets it, lol.


Guess going forward I won't do them though, I'd really thought the already added prizes gave enough incentive for people for it to not be a big deal adding in. This also means though that either A. OTs will be less fequent as I have to make sure to secure all prizes before starting. Or B. OTs will just be credits and the same old tokens.
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i tried in this tournament to the best of my ability but i didn't actively put the time in to train. i would have trained *harder* if i knew about the prizes. assessing blame to anyone for not trying as hard as they can no matter what is not a realistic mindset because not everyone is motivated by the same things.

in the end it's not that big of a deal thank you for running the tournament. i just think coming out and saying it's our fault if we aren't always investing everything we can no matter what in the tournament is irrationally defensive.
just bolding this to say: I'm not managing this tournament and just acting as a helper, so don't associate this response with the wrong target. This is my opinion as a competitor.

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Guess going forward I won't do them though, I'd really thought the already added prizes gave enough incentive for people for it to not be a big deal adding in. This also means though that either A. OTs will be less fequent as I have to make sure to secure all prizes before starting. Or B. OTs will just be credits and the same old tokens.
I think this latest set added in should be good for a few more OTs. It's not like the same people will be top 8-ing again so the work done this tournament to provide new token prizes should be motivating enough before a large subset of people again have all the event tokens.

So, it's kind of a non-issue for at least a few more years.

I hope you don't take this personally btw, I think a lot of people share the stance I do where we love the work you put into OTs and appreciate it greatly, but still want to provide the feedback that it would be nice to know the prizes before the tournament starts.
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I think this latest set added in should be good for a few more OTs. It's not like the same people will be top 8-ing again so the work done this tournament to provide new token prizes should be motivating enough before a large subset of people again have all the event tokens.

So, it's kind of a non-issue for at least a few more years.

I hope you don't take this personally btw, I think a lot of people share the stance I do where we love the work you put into OTs and appreciate it greatly, but still want to provide the feedback that it would be nice to know the prizes before the tournament starts.
The tokens aren't OT exclusive........
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You know what, nevermind my opinion will just stir up drama.

I will from here on out, not start an OT until all prizes including donated prizes are filled in. That way there's no issues about this again.
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This also means going forward if someone presents a prize they'd like to add during the event it will be denied.
Perhaps having the initial tournament post up longer would help alleviate this?
This OT only had two weeks notice or so, maybe stretching that out by an extra week or two would allow not only prizes to be sorted out ahead of time, but also more time to collect sign-ups?

That should also make your job easier, not harder, since prizepool is one more thing you won't have to worry about mid-tournament.

As for the "principle" of competition, obviously it would be great if everyone competed their best all the time on everything ever, but the fact remains that sometimes something as silly as a pack of ramen or a meaningless token on your meaningless profile can be a nice thing to work towards
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Perhaps having the initial tournament post up longer would help alleviate this?
This OT only had two weeks notice or so, maybe stretching that out by an extra week or two would allow not only prizes to be sorted out ahead of time, but also more time to collect sign-ups?

That should also make your job easier, not harder, since prizepool is one more thing you won't have to worry about mid-tournament.
You say this as if it's not been done before. I've had MONTHS set aside for things only to get nowhere. So, no.
I didn't have to worry about it mid-tournament. I WANTED to surprise people, and most people vocally had enjoyed it up until now, lol. So is what it is I guess.


Edit to your edit: That's just it though, the ramen was there, the necklaces were there, dev's perlers were there. There was plenty to strive for. So to me imo complaining that one didn't give it their all because of prizes over a token makes no sense. Because there were prizes to go for, it's not like there was no incentive at all.
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Even though there is now a D8, D7 is still insane.
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I didn't have to worry about it mid-tournament. I WANTED to surprise people, and most people vocally had enjoyed it up until now, lol.
Oh, I took the earlier quote to mean that you were worrying about securing prizes after starting.
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Now sure, I've always wanted the tokens, but who doesn't like collecting things? I liked how vRofl eventually got other ways to be given out, and who knows, maybe these eventually will to. I'm fine with these tokens being added.

I think the main problem is structural - it now takes 64 tournament quality files to run an OT, and you need a batch of at least 100 songs to pull from to make it work out nicely. If people didn't have to wait a year, maybe they'd be more willing to hear this out?

Suggestion - a recurring event that uses in game files (Monthly?) where top 3 to 5 players can earn tokens. Make the final round only brand new charts, and the finalists can have exclusive access to these for however long the round is. After the round, the songs would go public (kind of like how some songs would be "vet only" for a time back in the day). This would add at least 8 charts to the game a month.

Thank you for running the tournament, running events is a very time consuming process and I'm greatful for the time that's been put into it. There were lots of bangers added to the game this year.
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Now sure, I've always wanted the tokens, but who doesn't like collecting things? I liked how vRofl eventually got other ways to be given out, and who knows, maybe these eventually will to. I'm fine with these tokens being added.

I think the main problem is structural - it now takes 64 tournament quality files to run an OT, and you need a batch of at least 100 songs to pull from to make it work out nicely. If people didn't have to wait a year, maybe they'd be more willing to hear this out?

Suggestion - a recurring event that uses in game files (Monthly?) where top 3 to 5 players can earn tokens. Make the final round only brand new charts, and the finalists can have exclusive access to these for however long the round is. After the round, the songs would go public (kind of like how some songs would be "vet only" for a time back in the day). This would add at least 8 charts to the game a month.

Thank you for running the tournament, running events is a very time consuming process and I'm greatful for the time that's been put into it. There were lots of bangers added to the game this year.

The only token here that's OT exclusive, for the time being, is V0, everything else is an event token obtainable during any official event. So I really don't get the major issue with it.
And actually I don't get it 'cause the V0 was announced prior to the top 8, so it was known in the round it was relevant for.

I already wanted and suggested doing in-game file OT's during the year, I got chewed out about new content. As I said, there's always someone who's not satisfied. I've suggested a million and one things, the majority of the time it's ignored or received negatively. I am only one human person vs an entire community of people who want different things.
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