Old 08-26-2018, 07:18 PM   #2801
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Old 08-26-2018, 07:19 PM   #2802
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AlSo WhErE iS fUnNyGuRl AnD wHy Is ShE nOt DoInG aNyThInG
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As a heads up I may pass out before eod
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Did prec just sheep me
what he proposed is really interesting and no one had talked about it

he did the exact opposite btw, he said Tps should not only always hide, but hide in a manner that attempts to incentivize the wolf and the serial killer to try and find him tonight. In short, and you just have to read it again to understand it, the incentive is actually a decentive because they can lose if they make their best play.

its very outside the box, and its not something I think I could've thought of without seriously dedicating time to it. It impressed me.

But no, he did not sheep you.
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"You play to win the game" after all.
That's just it. I suppose it comes down to the idea that I view a 1:1:1 as a loss for everyone--which is why I keep referring to it as a draw-loss. No one achieves their victory conditions.

Under the NL approach, a 2:1:1 is relatively unpalatable to the bad guys, but they would still have a chance. I feel like the Hide strategy and its implications (potentially bringing about the 1:1:1 more quickly) would make them more likely to hunt each other. And even under the draw logic, I feel like it gives us a better chance of getting to the draw, rather than the loss.

I mean, under that logic, we might as well abandon the NL strategy altogether. At least one known town player has to survive until tomorrow, which means they could lead a self-vote and force the 1:1:1. That seems distasteful, and I was hesitant to point it out until now, but if we're arguing 1:1:1 is a goal state... (There's also no risk of it backfiring in a Tps as lone wolf world since this assumes multiple night kills, and multiple night kills confirms Tps as town.)
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man this is like so fucked
Precarious this feels townie but I feel like I have to lynch you anyways
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man this is like so fucked
Precarious this feels townie but I feel like I have to lynch you anyways
Which is dumb but all the more reason to have the mechanics hashed out before I can't provide them anymore. I'll still argue my cases until the bitter end, but if I do get lynched, my flip should confirm that there's no ulterior motive to this proposal.
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why did tps hide behind *me* anyways
I thought you weren't likely to be targeted at the time, I also wasn't as familiar with the implications of how the hider role worked and what the best strats/uses of it were.
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This is why no lynching is good???
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This is why no lynching is good???
Read it again
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Old 08-26-2018, 07:56 PM   #2811
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If we No Lynch today, we gain no additional flip information. Everyone's suspicions stay the same.

In the night, there will be zero to two night kills. (Theoretically, both wolf and SK--assuming the latter exists--could target a Hiding Tps, or the SK could while the wolf targets an SK still wearing a vest. Actually, that raises a further complication--it's possible the wolf knows who the SK is if they previously attacked someone who isn't Tps and the attack failed). Assuming the SK scenario, that could leave us with a bunch of scenarios, but the presumable worst case would be 3:1:1.

N.B. I would strongly argue against my Hide strategy if we NL today, since there's no longer a risk of a 2:1:1 if we go into the night 5:1:1.

3:1:1 is uncomfortable. We would presumably be down to one remaining known town player, with two unknown town players, the wolf, and the SK. We would have made no progress on the game state from where we are now, and I feel like I'd be a probable lynch target still. Obviously 3:1:1 is a worst case scenario in this setting, but a mislynch at 3:1:1 puts us at 2:1:1 going into the night, which resembles the 2:1:1 + NL the next day strategy.

Basically, NL today kind of just punts the issue a couple rl days down the road, while giving the bad guys a slightly larger share of the voting pool.
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There's still the risk of a 2 1 1 tho, in fact I think its higher with ur plan
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Precarious and xiz any thoughts about the night kill and eod?
i keep finding things like this

h.

(also i was looking for freezin discrediting one of blind's posts but it's actually just that freezin changed his read, oop)
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There's still the risk of a 2 1 1 tho, in fact I think its higher with ur plan
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N.B. I would strongly argue against my Hide strategy if we NL today, since there's no longer a risk of a 2:1:1 if we go into the night 5:1:1.
Basically, NLing today doesn't really help us, but it does remove the opportunity to use the Hide strategy.

I'm not in favor of it.
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Post some of the others then. Although if I actually was a wolf, I can assure you I'd be telling them in wolfchat not to do that in the first place.
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should town be in f5
if you fuckers sleep I'll be so disappointed
at that point, you try and lynch one of the two scum, and pray if you miss.

if its f3 and tps is alive but the game is still going and we haven't lynched any scum between this post and f3, obviously just lynch tps because the game hasn't ended in a draw and that would happen if a serial killer is alive.
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Old 08-26-2018, 08:27 PM   #2817
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I was always caught up with that game... there's no correlation here.
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That's what i was saying had no correlation.
xiz making a sorta lazy meta case on blind not being able to find anything posted in the game thus far/griping about speed, refuted like so

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Im agreeing with you on dbp. Although his push towards gradiant had a good theory, i think he put too much into it.
Fg just says she's wolf, ok bye no matter what. And everything she's said is blah.
InD and yourself know what and when to say it, so i'd have to iso you guys for a more confident answer. But right now i'd go wolf, but i don't necessarily see you guys on the same team. Killing one gives the other imo.
once upon a time xelnya quoted someone else's reads to comment on them while making his own reads and it made me think bouncing off reads posts like this is wolfy, because there's a lack of originality in the construction, reducing reads to a task of agree/disagree. that probably doesn't apply to posts as short as these (long boi posts provide more data) but it's the thing i always think of when someone goes "ok here are my thoughts" and someone responds with "here are my thoughts based on yours"

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You can at most be right on two of those.
throwaway, but it's to xiz. good ol' rule of 3 would suggest a wolf in prec/blind/tps, though it's not an arbitrary grouping of 3, it's an activity thing

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Mostly. It's like he's that porn channel you tried to watch as a kid and sometimes you'd see something relevant like a boob but most of it was static.
he's agreeing with freezin here about xiz

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Can you not rely on meta.


=P
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What is?
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What mistake?
I think you misread what i said.
freezin would just kinda have to let his partner get embarrassed here

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So.... right now TTTRR. Correct?
ehhhh

from later posts blind seems to think this is 3 VTs, i just can't get over it being the dominant thought for how many Ts were in the setup at the time when most town couldn't know any more than RR for sure

it's an issue of the setup doc more than anything and rolling for "town" and having it be the scum rolls is kinda stupid naming iyam

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Precarious is definitely wolfing imo. Didn't vote him over dbp because I would of been pulling an omgus, and that wouldn't of helped me at all. I'd rather go dbp since he would actually of been useful had he flipped. He flipped anyways and it did help, so in hindsight i should of stayed on funny.
it might be "useful", but from what i could tell, you voted him because of tonal issues around how he agreed with you on funny, so what was the use there?

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kinda late bro. Fess up your role then.
would be calling out partner for being late to the role claim party

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Yeah, the freezin idea might work, since that makes sure he's vengeful, and gets a kill. I was gonna say why not lynch the person he's gonna shoot, but that leaves open that he may be lying. But if he's not lying, he gets bought killed so his power is useless anyways. It's a pretty tough predicament we're in right now. Tps really needs to show up.
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What doesn't make sense? And yeah, i am. Or else how would i make comments on things?
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Oh, ok. You just don't know how to read then.

I said "I WAS gonna say" as in, instead of lynching you, we lynch your kill instead. BUT, I don't like that idea too much because you could be lying, or the wolves night kill you and we lose your power. Comprehensible enough for you now?
entertaining the freezin tinfoil-lynch idea, which i don't think he'd want to draw attention to if he knew the claim was fake

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xiz is one I've yet to learn to read. I don't like that he is all about tinfoil worlds, and not much else.

Speaking of xiz, Yes, all I did say was you're still wrong and went about my business. It may look scummy, but I'm not changing pre's mind, and I'm town read by mostly everyone else. I'm pretty safe when it comes to lynching, I'm not scared. So, why bother? I stated pre was a wolf way before the whole debacle between him and I. I would vote him with a safe bet of him being a hit for town.

Anyways, Xiz is a good target I THINK as of right now, but he's definitely a back burner vote. Unless something comes up. We have to decide what to do with our main concern right now. Which would be to lynch you IF you don't meet req, which I think is a safe bet so this may not be a thing to worry about, or lynch freezin and have him kill someone with this vengeful kill.
and then he'd have to be entertaining lynching between his partners after dispensing with tps as an option

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Yeah, that's the thing. You've been wrong about a lot.

and no, you're not under my skin. lol
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ok, so you were being sarcastic then?
god this goes like absolutely nowhere, freezin's asking him a question he doesn't bother to answer directly because he's reading it as sarcasm

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I am the master baiter.....:chingrabemoji:
kinda throwaway, maybe because i can't tell what was being baited - blind's original paragraph is a statement of events more than anything in response to xiz

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I haven't said anything to funny because she stood up. I told her to actually do something and she did.

I haven't talked to Ind, or tps, or xiz(more or less). I've talked with like celery, sunfan, dbp, and pre. That's about it. Put your baised views somewhere else
quoted mostly for names, has the xiz mention with more-or-less qualifier, freezin doesn't appear

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Xiz and pre wolf partners, you heard it here first.
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Prec is wrong because he's taking what i said out of context. I very obviously was direct with what i was saying. I don't get why he continues to say i pushed an issue already discussed when i wasn't even that far into the thread. He brought up shit that i've been called town for. I get using your own meta is bad, but i'm pretty much town to a T. Sun, inD, and freezing all agreed, until recently freezing.
this is true, freezin's read declines dramatically bc he has blind as top town d2 and winds up voting him

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Pretty convenient i went from top town to top lynch :eyebrowraiseemoji:
this is to xiz

if prec is a wolf then it means wolves are extremely hard aligned against blind, with prec starting it and xiz+freezin joining up later
if blind is a wolf then wolves kinda did it to themselves, but maybe it'd get xiz some cred if they pull it off? but it'd have almost the same effect with a xiz lynch, just trading who gets the cred
if funny is a wolf then she locked in the bus early with her case and then coming in later just to vote

i've been favoring the latter two because it just feels so weird for no one to bus with how consensus-y that felt

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Dude, i got this. I play and push when it's needed. Pre pushing and looking like he's doing something isn't worth my time.
main thing about this is xiz is asking a question to sunfan but blind does this step in almost like he's reassuring xiz, and drops prec's name fsr

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xiz safety vote
bam


wow i quoted some posts in an order

obv i should read the other two but blind doesn't feel like a wolf from these (i talk out some game state stuff toward the end too). doesn't clear him from SK, but what would
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Post some of the others then. Although if I actually was a wolf, I can assure you I'd be telling them in wolfchat not to do that in the first place.
i haven't been placing too much weight on them because i consider those two fairly good at coating the player list

i'm coming off a game where a wolf named all his partners and no town in saying "still waiting for x, y, and z to catch up" so list construction is something people intentionally foil sometimes
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obv i should read the other two but blind doesn't feel like a wolf from these (i talk out some game state stuff toward the end too). doesn't clear him from SK, but what would
like I said, I believe him when he claimed vanilla town
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like I said, I believe him when he claimed vanilla town
the 129003852th time thing resonated with me

he reacted to his vt rand in the turbo by first post claiming asceticizer lul
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