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Re: Why is misanthropy not considered bigotry?
If you claim that the human case is different, then there should be something that you can say about humans that does not apply to oysters.
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Try the following exercise: Take any argument you think applies to humans but not oysters. Change the wording like I did here so that it applies to oysters in the context of our discussion. Challenge yourself to see our position. You may find that almost everything you say about one you can about the other (in relevance to the topic).
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Re: Why is misanthropy not considered bigotry?
You can also do that exercise the other way around to see what we're trying to say. Here's the point Rubix was trying to make that you called a straw man:
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Re: Why is misanthropy not considered bigotry?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/i...generalization I'll just be clear: you can generalize all you want if the only results that come from your generalization are in the form of safety for you. Like in the case of the oyster. That's reasonable. It needs to be questioned if it can have other consequences to other people, and hateful ideals often have physical consequences, unless the person keeps their feelings to themselves. Quote:
I don't have a problem with misanthropes that just want to avoid people and live their lives, but if they try to spread hateful notions and use poor justifications for it (like many bigots do in reality, as you surely know) I will question them. So, is there any other problem?
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I agree, but the statement I made used the words "hate itself". What that hate motivates is NOT in the context of this particular statement. This is a slippery slope that COULD lead to mis-communication because we will no longer be talking about the same things. See this?
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Notice how while we agree with your concepts, we don't agree with how you present them. You need to work on your rational discourse.
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Re: Why is misanthropy not considered bigotry?
Alright. Now, the question I must ask is: if hateful ideas against people can cause problems if they spread, isn't it better to question the motivation behind the hatred of people whenever possible?
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And to this I say of course, but unfortunately hate is just as natural a human emotion as happiness, sadness, pain, sexual arousal, etc. You can't possibly stop a human from feeling hatred. The only thing you can realistically do is prevent people from acting on it negatively. So while I agree with what you said, I think it's totally unrealistic.
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Re: Why is misanthropy not considered bigotry?
Totally aside to the current arguing, what I find weird about what you've said, Zaevod, is that you've stated that to use your emotions for views is somehow the incorrect way to do it.
I mean, if I were to only use logic when determining values, and everyone else were to also do the same thing, humanity itself wouldn't give a shit if it lived or died. You simply cannot and -should not- discount emotions or emotional arguments when it comes down to such discussions, because they are integral to it. |
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