Old 03-2-2011, 12:38 PM   #3221
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Yeah but the thing I'm getting at is that when people get better overtime, they start reducing difficulties which IMO is dumb. I've seen this happen many times and it's not going to change. Look at the Oni Token for example, back then you could unlock it by AAAing any FMO song but now they limit it to certain FMO's rather than all of them which doesn't make any sense when the requirement simply says that you have to "AAA a FMO song to unlock this token".
That, my friend, is basing difficulty based on how well people do on it.

In other words, that's biased, which yes, is bs.
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Old 03-2-2011, 12:41 PM   #3222
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It's only partially biased, actually. Remember that there can be an initial error in difficulty rating before players even get to the songs. Here's an example from ITG that you might be familar with, Zier:

When ITG came out for PS2, Mythology was only rated a 10. However, the ending of the chart pushed a technique that is mostly found in higher level charts, and that was very quick crossover patterns. Just about everyone was scoring higher on all of the 11s in comparison to Mythology. In this case, you have a sample of how players are doing, and they're all doing poorly.

On FFR, you had Einstein-Rosen Bridge initially rated as an 11, but the framers, jacks, and off-colored combination made it considerably harder to score on than any other 11, so it got bumped up. People seem satisfied with this rating, too.

On FFR, you could use the top players as a sample for figuring out when a song is a 10 vs. 11, or 11 vs. 12 by seeing how regulars compare in the song versus songs in that difficulty range (obviously observing weaknesses and strengths in these players).

Partial bias, but it can lead to more accuracy in difficulty ratings.
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Old 03-2-2011, 12:45 PM   #3223
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I wish we can give each file our own personal ratings, then again, that's really unlikely to happen. If something like this would ever happen, knowing this community, people will rate Excite Bike as a 12 or something. Maybe give restrictions? idk

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And to be on topic, nice scores flash! I'm gonna work on long songs today so that's going to be fun.
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Put it in perspective, players who find rolls and polys hard, will find For FFR to AAA, those who think they are easy, can do it.


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On FFR, you could use the top players as a sample for figuring out when a song is a 10 vs. 11, or 11 vs. 12 by seeing how regulars compare in the song versus songs in that difficulty range (obviously observing weaknesses and strengths in these players).

Partial bias, but it can lead to more accuracy in difficulty ratings.
That only works as long as you're comparing songs to each other. In fact, I'd say that all the VC-FMO and FMO-FGO borderline files should be decided by how the community performs on them.

The problem is, a lot of people will compare a song against their *idea* of what a difficulty should be, and that tends to slightly increase when you get better. So you start with people raised on low FMOs like K8, Southern Cross, LW4, NWE, etc., and then when they get better they decide that those songs don't "feel" like low FMOs anymore and should be pushed down. Nevermind that those songs basically defined where the VC-FMO boundary was for a long time. When you develop enough speed, you don't think speedy patterns are hard anymore - just look at all the people saying Lolo is easy enough to be FMO (because they have the speed to hit it), when someone who's starting to PA FMOs will consider it totally out of their league.
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Old 03-2-2011, 01:52 PM   #3226
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Put it in perspective, players who find rolls and polys hard, will find For FFR to AAA, those who think they are easy, can do it.


Probably the truest statement made ever~
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And as for ratings, isn't that what we have judges for? And people to rate this? Isn't there an "Ingame Song Information" thread that needs HUGE updates? Lol
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Old 03-2-2011, 01:56 PM   #3227
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Lolo is basically a wall of triples. I cant PA that for crap, but I have a chance of having okay PA at the higher FMOs. Wall of triples at that speed is definitely a FGO pattern. Its has a lot of AAAs because its short and pros whore it.
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Old 03-2-2011, 01:59 PM   #3228
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Anybody can contribute to ingame song info. There are no judges that rate difficulties, because that'd be pretty flawed.
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Old 03-2-2011, 02:06 PM   #3229
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Here's a controversial comparison for you guys:

Let's say we compare Party4u v2
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...s.php?level=88

Difficulty: 10
Release Date: 11-13-03
Song Length: 2:00
Number of AAAs: 57
Number of FCs: 686
Number of Players: 65,961

with Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit)
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=935

Difficulty: 11
Release Date: 03-23-08
Song Length: 2:29
Number of AAAs: 100
Number of FCs: 1,061
Number of Players: 10,367

My point is to say that difficulty should simply be based on this instead of players because we got different skill-sets but the game level stats is pretty much the best way to figure out where everyone stands. Now the question would be to know if Party 4u v2 is a 11 or if Lawn Wake I is a 10 or finding out which paramaters should apply to "Difficulty" even if I believe that everything should matter.

Let's say we had a song that's like excite bike super easy but instead of being 9 seconds it's 2 hours long and there's a background too
..would it still be a Difficulty 2?

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By that logic p4u v2 would be an 11, a change which I would support. (It doesn't need to unlock Oni.)

I wonder what we should do about something like SSSG: 168 AAAs and over 5800 FCs. I guess easier songs should be ranked by FC count, and once you get into the 10s or so they should be ranked by AAA count. Casual players aren't worried about PA but about how difficult the song is to read and play, whereas top players are worried more about how hard a song is to AAA than whether it's easily FCable.
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How do you PA on Lolo? It's at the bottom of my ranks.
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I don't see why those songs shouldn't be ranked by AAAs as well.. as long as we keep the other things in mind..

Vi Sitter I Ventrilo Och Spelar DotA [Heavy]

Difficulty: 7
Release Date: 09-18-07
Song Length: 3:21
Number of AAAs: 433
Number of FCs: 4,544
Number of Players: 56,470

Story of Snowman and Sunshine Girl

Difficulty: 4
Release Date: 10-23-02
Song Length: 2:51
Number of AAAs: 168
Number of FCs: 5,831
Number of Players: 297,896

According to this, SSSG could easily be upped as a Difficulty 7 song. Of course people at lower level will find it strange that they can FC this 7 without much trouble but when it's going to come to get the AAA, it should make sense. Yet, if we go by FCs the difficulty 7 song would be harder. It's just a matter of defining what's difficulty for you. Better make another thread at this rate.

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Synth files don't count.
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Lollol it's a miracle, pg 162 = noscores posted
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Lollol it's a miracle, pg 162 = noscores posted
Sure is.

This thread should be renamed to "In-game song Discussion Thread"

EDIT: Contributing to this thread with some scoars

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I love how I kept playing this even when I missed right at the beginning LOL


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Old 03-2-2011, 04:37 PM   #3236
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Nice scores Victor

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nice bmv aaa, eclipse is solid as ****
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Old 03-2-2011, 05:29 PM   #3238
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atleast 2 of these were soft... still happy with it though

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Old 03-2-2011, 05:43 PM   #3239
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Improved from 9-1-3-1 but I still flubbed it. (Y)
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I still need to fix The Awakening. Oops. (sync is kinda bad).
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